Urdu (Language)

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A comment a user posted has, inspired this topic. Personally I feel *Urdu *should not be the official language of Pakistan, as majority of Pakistanis are Punjabi it should be Punjabi, and wiping out the cultural heritage of Punjabi’s is not a very good way to go. Urdu is a mix and match of various languages, why in the world would Muslim Pakistanis, who’s forefathers fought to keep their religion and freedom would chose to speak a language which borrows heavily from Hindi? and Persian.

Shouldn’t Pakistanis be speaking, the Koranic language (Arabic) or the language of the Jatt who under their own free will converted to Islam? (Punjabi) It doesn’t seem to make any sense to me why we have to chose a language which is very similar to Hindi language, technically is Hindi.

Everyone should oppose the teaching of* Urdu* in Pakistani school, Punjabi or Arabic should be taught in its place. How many Pakistanis which Punjabi movies? many Pakistanis watch *Hindi *movies, why watch movies which are made by Hindus and is usually that Sunny Deol guy killing the hole Pakistan army? (what is wrong with that guy?) we should make a pure Punjabi culture in Pakistan, so all there women come to Pakistan and marry Punjabi men rather then our Pakistani actresses going to India and making love movies with Indian guys.

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I think they should make the five major languages official, so any of the ethnic groups can help maintain their culture, adn language. I dunno about arabic being the national language, but whatever they come onto consensus on, tis good with me. However, al the provincial langauges deserves official status in their respective areas.

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Thats good. But I still don't want to see Karachi Pansies running around speaking Urdu. We should send a brigade down there full of Punjabi fojis we should teach them a good lesson if you ask me. :D

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Ohkay there! :rolleyes:

Urdu is and should remain the official language of Pakistan. If need be, make Punjabi another official language of Pakistan.

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yeaah make punjabi another official language…but personally I do not think it qualified enough to be an offcial language. It does not have a charm or the sweetness of what Urdu has.
Today people in the world love Indian movies and Pakistani dramas mainly becuz of the beauty of Urdu language. Who the heck wants to watch a punjabi movie yuck :rolleyes: Its only good for bhungra and dance :k:

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charm and sweetness is a personal thing. I have seen so many different opinions about languages, its all in the eye of the beholder(or should I say ear,lol). However, I can understand Stomp, I believe he wishes to see his language remain alive. I think make all five the offical langauges official, its not like urdu is the unifying factor. Pakistan s literally split into the iranic (pashtuns/afghans, and baloch) and indic(punjabi, sindhi,etc), so I say make um official in their respective lands.

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I remind you of history you say that punjabis are the majority in pakistan so punjabi should be the national language.If thats the case then why bangla or bengali was not the national language of pakistan back in 1947.Why the leaders at that time thought that urdu should be the national language and when there was a crisis the government decided that bangali and urdu will be the national language.The question arises why not bengali only which was the mother tongue of 55% chosen as the only national language or why didnt the west pakistanis learn bengali

Urdu was the mother tongue of only around 4% of the population.were the 4% population which consisted of refugees that much powerful that the 4% imposed their language.No sir that was not the case the whole west pakistan fought for urdu which included the major etnic group of west pakistan.

The main reason for adopting urdu as national language was that there should not be any communication barriers between the provices and ethnicities of pakistan.

Urdu and hindi are very similar and are some time collectively called hindustani language of north india.The script is different though.

urdu is a language which has hindi(sanskrit),persian,arabic and turkish words.So punjabi has taken words from other languages as well.For example just look at the word punjab alone which is a persian word meaning five waters(rivers).

Regional languages should be given the status of national languages it will surely create provincial harmony.All languages punjabi,sindhi,pashtu,balochi,brahvi,hindko,seraiki etc with urdu should be our national languages.If a smalll country like switzerland can have 4 languages we surely can have 6 7 languages.

Arabi as national language thats sound illogical to me.Have you ever been to interiors of our country.I know many areas of sindh and parts of punjab where people dont know about the basics of islam.How many people are able to read quran in pakistan do you have any figures.We should first do proper tabligh in our country.

It was an option 30 40 years back that a student has to chose between persian and arabic.some years back the government has changed the curriculum now some arbi is taught from the primary level.

And your remarks about people of karachi shows your parochial view.At one end you are advocating about the language of quran in pakistan at the same time against the people of karachi who are muslims but just speak another language.

Wah musalman wah!!!

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Urdu/Hindi is the sweetest of the Indic languages, Punjabi belongs to the same family but I find it very crude and ungraceful, I’d be the first to cut contacts with Pakistan if Punjabi was made the national language.

Urdu is fine, stop your utopian wet dreams, all the proper Punjabis I know speak Urdu instead, only their grandparents generation speak Punjabi. Urdu unites us as a nation, it’s best if we all speak it.

Culture and religion are different, so what if Indians speak Hindi? Pakistan’s difference with them is religious (and to some extent racial) not cultural, language and religion are separate things, besides Indian Sikhs speak Punjabi and have it as their liturgical language, a Kaafir is a Kaafir but I’d rather be associated with a Hindu than a Sikh.

Punjabi is good for bhangra but you can't just have dancing as your culture.

Just be Pakistani, don't divide ourselves.

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I am in no way against people who speak their regional language and who want to promote their mother tongue.

faiz ahmed faiz,habib jalib,allama iqbal and presently poet like amjad islam amjad etc all our punjabis and have contributed alot to urdu literature.

Pashtuns like Patras bokhari and ahmed faraz are also big names of urdu literature.

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Yeah Sadiyah, that would be a great idea. I can speak both* Urdu* and Punjabi however I can’t speak* Urdu* as well as Punjabi.

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This shows how dumb @$$ you are! .....what a joke.

I do hope its not the view of majority Punjabis...not even jokingly.

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Good view. Thanks for teaching 'some' Jaahils history lesson.

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What has charm and sweetness have anything to do? We are talking about losing your cultural history not about planting followers in the garden it’s a serious issue. The argument of Urdu is charming or sweet is trivial. I personally think guys who speak Urdu sound like Kussray (effeminate) I don’t have a problem with girls speaking Urdu it is pretty sweet when a girl speaks Urdu, but a guy speaking Urdu is wrong.

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Its my personal view.

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I agree with you.

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Yeah it is a Serious issue and you have got serious problems dude.I recommend you the following

1.stop meeting kussray. no matter what language they will speak they will sound bad.

2.keep away from those urdu speaking sweet talkers

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His idea of being manly is to shout and talk like sultan Rahee making holes into people's ear.
Just for your education being manly means other than being rude and noisy.
By your standard no 'man' should speak persian, chinese, english, french, arabic italian, bengali etc. in this world. They should speak only russian, japanese or punjaabi.

Now Punjaabi is sweet in its own way...listen to many of its beautiful songs and poetry. Those are good.

Speaking of being National Language...I agree with Syed. His post is good.

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I remind you of history you say that punjabis are the majority in pakistan so punjabi should be the national language.If thats the case then why bangla or bengali was not the national language of pakistan back in 1947.Why the leaders at that time thought that urdu should be the national language and when there was a crisis the government decided that bangali and urdu will be the national language.The question arises why not bengali only which was the mother tongue of 55% chosen as the only national language or why didnt the west pakistanis learn Bengali
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I don’t know how you think that is a valid argument, at the time Pakistan was poorly managed. In west Pakistan we could have had our own language (Punjabi, Urdu) and in East Pakistan (Bangladesh) we could have had Bengali, and we should have back then made another official language English as this is what most of the civilized world speaks. And also that is a part of history I would like to forgot.

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Urdu was the mother tongue of only around 4% of the population.were the 4% population which consisted of refugees that much powerful that the 4% imposed their language.No sir that was not the case the whole west pakistan fought for urdu which included the major etnic group of west pakistan.
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It was just that half of the people were a sleep and uneducated at the time to have known what was going on. And also this is misleading when you say the whole of West Pakistan fought for Urdu, firstly this is not the case and secondly I want you to prove that this was the case. I can tell you know most if the people at the time did know or had very little knowledge of what was going on.

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The main reason for adopting urdu as national language was that there should not be any communication barriers between the provices and ethnicities of Pakistan
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So you’re telling me that if Pakistan had the official language as Punjabi, there would have been communication barriers? This argument doesn’t make any sense at all. You’re suggesting that if the official language had changed Pakistan would be incapable of communicating. Also I’d like to make another point here; when a language becomes official it is usually taught in schools too. So even so the younger generations would speak Punjabi so, after a few decades everyone would be able to understand and speak Punjabi.

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Regional languages should be given the status of national languages it will surely create provincial harmony.All languages punjabi,sindhi,pashtu,balochi,brahvi,hindko,seraik i etc with urdu should be our national languages.If a smalll country like switzerland can have 4 languages we surely can have 6 7 languages.
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I can agree with you on this statement.

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Arabi as national language thats sound illogical to me.Have you ever been to interiors of our country.I know many areas of sindh and parts of punjab where people dont know about the basics of islam.How many people are able to read quran in pakistan do you have any figures.We should first do proper tabligh in our country.
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I don’t know anything about that as I live in England not in Pakistan I was assuming. The last time I went to Pakistan was so long ago I can’t even recall. My dad moved to England about 30 years ago. I am a British born Pakistani.

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And your remarks about people of karachi shows your parochial view.At one end you are advocating about the language of quran in pakistan at the same time against the people of karachi who are muslims but just speak another language.
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I don’t hate people from Karachi I don’t have a problem with the women, it’s just the men they are so feminine and weak, if you smacked a guy from Karachi he would probably die, they need to eat more. I am generalizing here because generalizations work.

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Thanks Deedawar

Shahid hasan zaidi compiled heer waris shah.Many linguists acknowledged his work.In his interview when he told about his family his mother was urdu speaking and father a punjabi.

So it is good to learn other languages.People still admire guys like bhittai,sarmast,baba farid, bullah shah and other they knew more than many languages.some of them seven others even more than that.

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I don’t see what your problem is. You’re trying to make Punjabis out as idiots who can’t communicate. So what if we talk loud at least people can hear, we are not scared like you guys that we have to whisper like girls when we talk. You guys are so feminine (guys from Karachi) its funny, you touch each other. I mean the men touch each other its pathetic, and most of you sleep in the same room as your dad. Punjabis talk like kings, walks like Kings, and eat like Kings. We are warriors; we would rather live a day like a lion then our whole life as mouse.