Urdu Language Destroying Pakistan!

:rotfl: I think you have been listening to MQM quaid Altaf Hussain too much yar, and its apparent you are making this a hate thread against Punjabiz for no reason. Most of what you said below is indeed wrong, factually, and is propoganda coming from people like AH.

I see, and how much industry is there in NWFP to consume this? Did NWFP pay for building Tarbela? Also, what about the other provinces that eat up electricity?

Interesting how you say Sialkot (which acttually makes all the sports good/surgical tools we export), and not Karachi and Peshawar, both of which consume more natural gas than Sialkot. And its not like people get natural gas for free, they pay for it.

Sindhis despise the merchant classes in Karachi, because they feel the latter came over and took over what was theirs. How is Karachi earning most money What does Karachi produce? Is our number one export cotton grown in Karachi? Are footballs or surgical tools made in Karachi? All the imports for oil, are they exclusive just to Karachi?

Also, do you know how much of the crop growing area is in Punjab, and how much it is outside? Do you know how much rainfall Punjab gets, as compared to other provinces? Did you hear about Pakistans water supplies being blocked off by India or did you blame Punjab for that too? Do you about all the rivers that flow through Punjab? Based on your logic should Punjab stop the supply of subsidized wheat, and other food cash crops into other provinces?

Nope, problem is that you are afraid of giving rights to other Pakistanis and feel Urdu must be imposed just because its your native language. I am all for giving the provinces more autonomy, you dont even want the elected officials of NWFP to give their province their own name.

You arent even ready to give people their due right to learn any other language opposed to Urdu, and now you bring up baruskahi or other small languages that quite frankly no one speaks. Lets start with Punjabi/Saraiki, Baluchi, Pashtu, Sindhi and then worry about a little valley called hunza (which by the way isnt under PAkistani control anymore).

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Also, do you know how much of the crop growing area is in Punjab, and how much it is outside? Do you know how much rainfall Punjab gets, as compared to other provinces? Did you hear about Pakistans water supplies being blocked off by India or did you blame Punjab for that too? Do you about all the rivers that flow through Punjab? Based on your logic should Punjab stop the supply of subsidized wheat, and other food cash crops into other provinces?
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Punjab gets rainfall plenty of it???? Then why is Pakistan running around india in circles to not block chenab as then we would have no water and substantial crop losses would happen?

As for your school comment, sindhi is still part of the local curriculum!

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now you bring up baruskahi or other small languages that quite frankly no one speaks
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How do you know that? Maybe you need to get out in Pakistan more!

We can print forms in local languages and have language promotion academies but pakistan doesn't have the money to convert textbooks and everything into sindhi or punjabi. Urdu and english for sciences will have to do!

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2. balochistan produces gas of which it sees little yet it can be pumped 1800km across to Sialkot
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I think the bigger point is that balochistan gets less per unit of gas * than sindh or punjab [any gas produced in punjab gets the most $$$ and balochistan gets the least $$]. Also, it is a valid point that efforts should be made to provide gas in priority to balochistan. We need something like the deal about oil production in Alaska!*

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You got your wish:

Ministry wants Punjab to lift ban on flour movement -DAWN - Top Stories; October 13, 2008

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Yes, but the anti-punjabiz would blame Punjab even for that supply that India blocked, read the thread about that in PA, I posted my comments.

Firstly, its not taught in the large metropolises like Karachi:

For places where its taught, read for yourself, as to how its taught:

THE CONDITION OF SINDHI IN PRIVATE SCHOOLS OF KARACHI, SINDH Indus Asia Online Journal (iaoj)

Bhaijaan, I have been to Hunza and adjoining areas more than 5 times in my life. Officially, less than 90K people speak burushaski. Now compare that to the number of Punjabi, Saraiki, Sindhi, Baluchi and Pushtu speakers.

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We can print forms in local languages and have language promotion academies but pakistan doesn't have the money to convert textbooks and everything into sindhi or punjabi. Urdu and english for sciences will have to do!
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And who is asking you to convert textbooks and everything into sindhi and punjabi? Adding Sindhi or any other provincial language means adding it as a course, not converting anything else from English into them, that would be a disaster. For sciences, no one uses Urdu either. Urdu's importance is also on the decline, thanks to English.

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Firstly, its not taught in the large metropolises like Karachi:
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Do you stats to back this up because I took in karach when I went to school!

NationMaster - Encyclopedia: Sindhi

Sindhi is taught as a first language in the schools of south-east Pakistan, except in large metropolises like Karachi.

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Before partition, urdu was considered as muslim's language. Even punjabi or sindhi muslims used the urdu script. After partition, bengali was the only language, not using urdu script. Qaid-e-Azam once said that bengalis should drop bengali language because it has hindi influence and adopt urdu. That statement caused uproar among bengali leaders and later Jinnah had to appologise (year 1948).

erm i support the rightfor people to learn their language.....ithink you should READ what i write.....i dont think anything of what i says make sense to you because you probably have never left punjab ever,.....why dont yougo out and live and mix with other areas of pakistan?

for your information i support languages to be taught in their own areas and for their own people....i do not wantto see my native language which is not urdu shoved down the throat of some poor minority and i would not want to be forced to learn a regional languge which has no relevance to me except that it might be spoken in in my area

people are learning their own languages....you forget one thing the vast majority of punjabis, seraikis, pashtuns,balochus, sindhis have never had that tradition of writing their language.....our people are on the whole illiterate....they have never been denied learning their languages .....

an outside language had always been the norm with south asian muslims..persian the classic example of this...

no you are making a hate threat against urdu speakers.

i dont listen to altaf hussain - he is a new fish inthe pool. i prefer to listen to SANA, ANP, BLA, PMAP on issues of provinvial discord…

AH is relatively new to this…the baloch sindhi pashtun provinciliasts and nationalists have been there since day 1 with legitimite concerns…

No other province eats up electricity. Just the one and only.

Sindhi and muhajirs have shown unity on some issues - i dont seen nwaz sharif able to have that skill.

Karachi is the ony port pakistan has - without karachi pakistan would be nothing.

Punjab has stolen all the water from sindh and nwfp - did you know the ghazi barotha has damaged the ecosystem, agriculture and water supply of bordering nwfp? theindus has its own dependent eco system - alterations ruin the eco system.
the important indus delta is dring up because of water being diverted to punjab. this will have negative environmental implications.

oh bhai i wish i could speak urdu -you give me a lot of credit but my urdu is quite weak. i speakone language better and thats my native language. in fact i reside in your province wen i visit pakistan LOL

ironic that sindhi nationalists, punjabi nationalists, seraiki nationalists, baloch nationalists and the mqm can point their fingers at one place for pakistans failures…ie our very own punjab.

How embarrassing if you think that the little valley of Hunza has been taken over by Taliban LOL
Or have the chinese taken over it?

hunza not under pakistani control? hunza is an ismaili and shia area not a sunni taliban area...it is one of the most peaceful areas of pakistan and its citizens are the most law abiding and most progressive.....hunza is far away from the tribal belt.......its in the northern areas....

by the way its these little languages which are under the gravest threat from extinction. punjabi sindhi pashtu balochi increase by millions as each year passes by. these people lie when they claim their languages are under threat.

No you dont, you are on record on this thread saying people who prefer speaking their own language are enemies of Pakistan.

Chanda, I have been to more parts of Pakistan than you can imagine, and for your information, I was born in Karachi :hehe: You on the other hand admitted you havent even studied Pakistan Studies, so please stop acting like an authority over the subject, because you are not.

You are following whatevers said by the Pir of Karachi, enough said. You can talk about provincial rights all you want, but everything gets negated until you give them the right to speak and use their own language.

Its because this tradition was taken by colonial mentality such as yours.

lol so now you are admitting that urdu speakers are a seperate ethnicity? This defeats every little shred of argument you put up, because if it is infact an ethnic language its no different from punjabi, sindhi, pashtu or whatever you want to call it. Also for your information, you made this a hate thread against punjabiz, and please dont refer to yourself as a punjabi because lying doesnt help, i can claim to be an urdu speaking mohajir too, but i dont need to lie in order to get my poitn across.

Sure, which is why you cant dare say anything against him lol

Yeah and Karachi and every other place apart from Punjab runs on solar power. :hehe:

unfortunately, nawaz sharif is not my tai ka puttar, so i dont care if he has any skills or not. I am sure altaf bhai and mushy bhai have all the skills needed to deal with the Sindhis.

I see, and what will this port ship on its own? Are you planning on making cotton fields around this port?

lol I didnt know the water flows from Sindh to Punjab :rotfl:. With most of the major dams in NWFP, with your silly little arguments, its NWFP thats stealing water.

Go destroy tarbela then, good luck, and before you do, make sure you know where its located because its not in punjab

firstly, i never said you were a good urdu speaker. And also, leave the personal anecdotes aside, they arent helping your arguments. If you really live or lived in punjab, you wont buy altaf hussains amazing theories.

So for the last 8 years, the dictator raping the country was a punjabi? Infact, I should remind you that out of the 60 years, a democratic party from Punjab has only ruled Pakistan for 4 years, PPP, and most of your dictators (with the exception of zia, who was a mohajir punjabi) werent Punjabi.

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Since this is becoming a mohajir vs punjab thread, thanks to thejoke, I request it to be either closed or cleaned up... I for one will refrain from discussing anti-punjabism in this thread.

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Spock, first language means mode of instruction but it doesn't cover people having to take it as a subject? sindhi speaking schools are another thing.

why do you want to close it? is it because you want to be able to attack urdu speaking people for pakistans problems with no one to resisit you?

the subject quite clearly states that "urdu language destorying pakistan" - i have simply offered my views and offered an alternative to what actually is destroying pakistan.

its called a debate. if you dont like peoples views then either put me on ignore or dont join forums where people may have contradictory views to you.

i hope the moderator keeps thsi thread open because it allows us to clarify what the role of urdu is in the destruction of pakistan - it has NOTHING to do with it.

and im not a muhajir - im a proud northern pakistani. my ancestors have been muhajirs on our land for over 500 years.

urdu, pashtuns, punjabis, sindhis are not real ethnicities they are just linguistic groups. most urdu, punjabi, sindhi speakers do not even claim local origin…they claim to be descendants of arabs, mughals, afghans, rajputs, turks, persians…

i am not a punjabi but my family have been settled in a district of punjab for more than 500 years. we are punjabis geographically but not ethnically or linguistically.
sorry im not even a punjabi geographically - geographical punjab means the land of the 5 rivers - beas, sutle, cheban, ravi and the western most section is jhelum. anything west of jhelum is not punjab bt sindh sagar doab or potohar.

i have got no time for altaf lol - he is an exposed criminal - its no fun bashing him anymore. bashing AH is so 1990’s for me.

its not nwfp that benefits from the dams its punjab. look at khanpur dam - have you ever been to khanpur? you should take a look at how people live there - they are robbed blind yet they are far more patriotic than those sindhi balochi pashtun intelectuals that you seem to read up alot of now.
but fr some reason you dont read what hey clearly state - they believe punjab is stealing resources not any other. this is nt about hating punjab - its about exposing what most people believe is destroying pakistan.

the organisation that the dictator run is predominantly punjabi. having one person in power means nothing. afghanistan has a pashtun president yet most people in power are not pashtuns.

anay musharaf regardless of who he was deserves the credit of paying the most attention to balochistan within the last 61 years. but for the baloch its too late, they want out.