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And just to let you know, thanks to The Almighty I have beautiful eyes and rosy cheeks, you'll be the one with four drops of blood and stone eyes..
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keep you 'suggestion to yourself ah.
no identity-less idiot can EVER realise, feel or tell the difference. cz he does not have his own freaking identity, who the hell is he to describe/differentiate any other nation’s qualities?
I told ya to get the hell out of here. If you want to still stay, stop addressing me. I really do not give a flying little sh!t about what you think of me. And LEAVE MY PAKISTAN OUT OF YOUR UGLY TONGUE.
I do not want you to address me again cz I feel sh!tty. I hope that’s clear to you.
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Dinosaur, as I said, its very easy for you to post excerpts, as it is easy for me to post excerpts from my side of the argument. The debate isnt recent, as are opposing views on the argument not recent. An anti-urdu lobby has existed for a very long time, as have people in places like UP who would have a vested interest in downplaying differences, in order to promote their political worldview. What you havent been able to answer is:
Why does every major media organization that tailors its services to world languages choose to offer services in Urdu before Pushto or Sindhi or Punjabi if it isnt considered a first class language around the world? Examples are BBC, VOA and Google, none of which have any vested interest in upholding seperate identities between India and Pakistan, or Hindu and Musims.
Why does a country that strives perpetually to diminish differences between India and Pakistan, on ideological reasons, still produce news broadcasts incomprehensible to most of the Urdu speaking audience around the world?
Why does the published literature of both languages remain incomprehensible for speakers of both languages? While we're talking about literature, Urdu literature is the most published and read literature in the country, which would negate your argument about a language being artificially imposed on the masses.
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Pakistani Punjabis and Sindhis, and also Balochi Brahvis (Dravidians) have the same looks as Indians. Pakistanis are not goras or Aryans. Fact. Saying that all Indians are ugly is racist.
Hindi has its own literary standard, although I must say that Urdu achieved a higher degree of development than Hindi (which is pretty much a rural tongue). But it’s not good to insult other people’s cultures. CCB is a Pathan, not an Indian.
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so much josh in a girl
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Hahaha, she/he thinks I am a Hindustani.
The fact is that more Muslims (around 130 millions) live in India than Pakistan that, together with most of the Muslims from Pakistan, share a common language, ethnicity, blood, values, norms, and material and social culture with Hindus. The fact is that many renown centers of Islamic thought and learning e.g. Deobandi, Barelvi, Nudvatul Ulama, Tabligh Movement, etc. arose and are still functioning on Hindustani soil. So you cannot have exclusive claim to Islamic component of culture.
The fact is that a foreigner or an impartial observer cannot differentiate between South Asians without a prior knowledge of the religious diversity in South Asia. Further, the rest of the world don’t care about religious distinction because to them relgion is not a basis of nationhood.
And all your points smack of racism! How is this in accordance with the universility and fundamental equality of human beings enshrined in the philosophy of Islam (as you claim)?
These are facts it will be futile for you to deny.
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I will say rather the converse is true i.e. the people on both sides of the communal divide, usually the political elite, exaggerate the difference of orthography and the presence of loan-words from Sanskrit-Persian/Arabic in the two styles of the same language to emphasize distinction and the “separate identities”. Among the men of litre and knowledge, including linguists, and common masses, there is a universal agreement that both are the same languages wtitten in different scripts.
Literary/Formal Urdu and Literary/Formal Hindi (what is called New, Moden, High, or Sandard Hindi) are two extreme forms of the same language one excessively Persianized-Arabized and another overly Sanscrtized. Intermediate between these two forms is the language of masses and popular media, interstingly, closer to Literary Urdu than Literary Hindi.
I mean the Low Hindi is more like Urdu.
One should also look all this into historical context.
Before Muslims Prakrit were spoken that derived its linguistic features from a range of languages, including Sanskrit. With the arrival of Muslims, these languages were enriched with Persian, Arabic, Turkish, etc. vocabulary, something that was natural to happen. Ultimately, a number of dialects were evolved, amongst which Urdu (also called Hindustani) became the principal dialect. This dialect was primarily patronized by British for effective Anglicalization of India.
The Hindi-Urdu controversy arose later in the second half of 19th Century mainly as a vehicle for furthering the interests of the Muslim-Hindu elite in the politico-adminstrative structures of the British-India. When Hindus started writing Hindustani or Urdu, th common language of Hindus and Muslims, in Devanagri script and using Sanskri words, Muslims started agitating against this.
The point here is, both Hindi and Urdu are the same language, born and nurtured in Hindustan, and associating Urdu with Islam or using it as a basis of Pakistani identity is baseless as well as futile. On the contrary, Urdu is promoting Hindustanization/Indianization among the Pakistani communities…How many of our people knew Urdu-Hindi or could understand Bollywoodmovies 70 years ago but today the new generations can understand it and are influenced by it.
Before the arrival of British in my province, the vernicyular was Persian and hardly 0.1% peope understood Urdu-Hindi.
The point is, how justified it is to project Urdu as a non-Hindustani and Muslim language or a language that would put a halt to Indianization/Hindustanization or even Hindufication?.
Again I will say reasons are political. Because the two states identify with two different form of the same language, embodied in script and few hundred loan words, so foreign media cannot ignore this.
Nevertheless, there are many institutions that have common setup for both the dialect. Why don’t you have a look at the Urdu-Hindi teaching center of Harvard University?
Again for reasons of politics. As one foreign observer commented, keeping official distinction through news broadcast is more for politics than any reality on ground.
By the way why does Pakistani government ban Zee News and Zee Cinema again and again if Hindi is not mutually intelligible with Urdu?
Because of the script and sometimes high frequency of lone-words from Sanskrit and Persian-Arabic. Nevertheless, even that will diminish in future…Think of Machine transliteration/translation converting Devanagri script into Perso-Arabic and Vice-versa. They have already done it in case of Punjabi.
Moreover, the Devanagri script is very easy, because the 11 vowels and 35 consonants of Urdu-Hindi are represented by symbols one per sound (like phonetic symbols). So just by learning which symbol stands for which sound you can learn reading Urdu-Hindi text in Devanagri script. It will the most easy for Urdu-Hindi speakers.
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I am neither a hindi speaker nor a urdu one and hence I am fairly neutral. If we leave the decision to neutral experts, linguists for example, they would be more in agreement with LOD on the hindi-urdu issue. They have established methodologies for studying languages and they would generally keep hindi & urdu together - similar languages with different scripts.
I would not throw out expert opinion just because I don't agree with them. I can't, even for god's sake, believe that Tamil and other south indian languages have anything to do with say Brahui that is spoken in some parts of far away Balochistan. But that is what the linguists tell us.
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csraja, it is not even the question of similarity—it is that of equivalence----we can say that there exist two forms of Hindi; One is Low Hindi spoken by common people and sometimes also called Hindustani or Urdu-Hindi and the other (High, Standard, Modern, or Formal Hindi) the one developed at the end of 19th Century by Sanskritizing the more common Hindustani.
Low Hindi is exactly or almost what Urdu is.
And yes, linguistically speaking both are the two styles of the same language.
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People pay attention.
There are only two things, scrub.
Urdu - Language of the educated
Hindi - The language of streets
There is no comparison.
Your crying and moaning in long long hours bursting your fingers and posting cut/paste material from some stupid book will not prove your invalid point. It has no significance. The followers of the street language (like yourself) will be much happy to agree with you just to ‘feel good’ being compared to a high class language. The followers of the EDUCATED language can NEVER agree with you no matter what amount of pressure you put and you burst in the efforts cz they know what the FACT is. They know what URDU is.
You better agree with the FACTS before even hindi speakers lose trust in those 
enlightening posts.
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Kudos to your intelligence.
But you see there exist and some dumb heads who believe or want to believe in those and are too blind too see for whatever reasons that the truth is far from that. Why would they want to see that anyway if it gives them (or their language) an acceptable place in society?
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Oh please, do not bring disgrace to a hundred thousand of those patriotic pathans of pakistan. If I gave a little hint of how that identity-less idiots keeps singing praises of pakistan and its culture and stuff, they will be out looking for him… only to kill him. Yes, that’s how patriotic they are of pakistan. and you’re disgracing them by saying what you said. it must be shameful for them to know about him.
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^^ Absolutely. High, Low, Medium Hindi…what BS…anyone ever heard of high, low, very low English?? Or French? Or Polynesian, Nauruan, Bongka-wikian??
Just a lame a$$ excuse coined by these over-patriotic Indos to cover-up the** huge confusion which is their language**. I mean, they say their cinema/media in general is in Hindi, yet it’s totally overpowered by** Urdu**. Cinema is not a written medium, therefore a viewer determines the language spoken based upon what is HEARD, and as per pronounciation of words, the ACCENT most of all, and also the vocabulary/sentence structure used, it’s URDU which is all there. And yeah, some dialogues/lyrics just ripped off from Pak plays/ films 
There only argument for Hindi could be based on the script, but as I’ve said, that doesn’t work in cinema coz it is a visual medium primarily. And then if you ever watch a news show on DD [if you have the wits to sit through that] it’s all friggin Sanskrit. To top it all, when you actually TALK to an Indian it is much worse than talkin to some jamadaar in karachi/lahore…the merey ko, terey ko kind of crap. That aint sanskrit, neither is it Urdu – so is that really Hindi?? Whatever it is its some weird language that they speak which I haven’t heard anywhere in the Indo media. A totally** laughable** state of affairs, and YET they have the gall to throw crap on others!
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Madam as you’ve some sentimental problems, you may believe in anything about your “great” language-even consider it Heavenly/Godly- but the fact stands as it is and the experts tell us i.e. Urdu is actually Urdu-Hindi, called Urdu in Pakistan and Hindi in India.
This is what they have conceded to here in a site of Urdu-speaking community here:
http://www.albalagh.net/letters/urdu_uk.shtml?action=view&item=16&src=sbnr
“The hottest news of the day is that the Manchester police force is going to learn Urdu to improve community relations. It is a common language spoken and understood by South Asian community in the whole of United Kingdom. For Muslims it is known as Urdu and Hindus call it Hindi. Urdu is a Turkish word means armed forces. Urdu script is based on Persian script. It is a common language from Kabul to Burma.”
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Your affiliation may link it to Islam and patriotism…yes that is natural…is just an emotional problem…
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If I’d ever agree with anything you have to say, it would be this.
Now that you have finally reached this conclusion, do not forget this lesson and never call URDU, HINDI again. Now be a good boy and shooo off. No need to address me again.
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TNWB, do you also agree that 
is good.
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Yes Urdu, also called Hindustani, was the common language of educated Muslims and Hindus alike but later some purists Hindus, in a quest for erasing the marks of Muslim Imperialism on Hindustani Civilization, started writing it in Devanagri script and amalgamating it with Sanskrit words. When the first book “History of India” was written by Babu Shiva Parsad in Devanagri script, did the Hindi-Urdu controversy arose…
Moreover, the High or Low Urdu/Hindi are linguistic nuances to describe the variation in languages and its causes…
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Disssssstttttannnnnce!!!
May larkon say galay nahi miltaa :yukh: