Urdu as our national langauge

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muqawwee, most of it is symbolic BS, and the system is still inherently biased against those who aren't native hindi-speakers. 90% of educated indians have been taught to understand that hindi is india's national language and the rest are "regional languages" - while in reality, the constitution calls them all "national languages" and doesn't give any special status to hindi.

indian parliament is afflicted with hordes of elected uneducated imbeciles hailing from the hindi-belt. the equivalent uneducated imbeciles from other areas dont make it far in the national scene because without knowing hindi or english you simply can't get too far in national politics, and even english alone is not enough. Thus you end up with Sakshi Maharajs, laloo parsads, Uma Bhartis as ministers, when they wont even be dishwashers anywhere else.

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These people from the South should get with the program.

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A hair raising post. For the benefit of Sri Sharif

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@muqawwee123 haha this forum is an excellent one, thanks to it's team. Discussions here are good, we can without hasitation express our views, know things and we try to think what perhaps we never had thought. Undisclosed identity also helps in discuss freely. Many good things, now on topic. These scheduled languages are majore languages used by 91% of the total population of the country. To know benefit we should also know the need. Need: there were a number of spoken languages (some 1652, correct me if wrong) with no significant proportion except some so there was a need to recognise some languages as a medium of official communication to avoid cofusion.

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@muqawwee123 Hindi including it's similar variants Urdu and Hindustani could claim 46% so chosen official language of the Union. Now for development of Hindi as medium of expression for all the elements of the composite culture of India, the assimilation of the expression used in the other languages (those languages which were specified in Eight schedule) was started.

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@muqawwee123 Benefits: development of Hindi. Official language commission constitutes representative of languages in eight schedule. This commision makes important recommendations like official language of Union, language for communication between Union & the States or b/n one state and another, language issues, inrichment of Hindi means evolution of terminology for scientific, administrative and procedural literature etc

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English was to be used for 15 yrs for official purposes of Union for which it was being used earliar, but it's usage continued. In 1963 Parliament passed an Act to continue it's usage in addition to Hindi. There were reservations against restriction of English.

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@queer No language is specified as national language in Indian constitution. Hindi is official language of Union. As far as I know no school book teaches Hindi as national language yes many people accept it as national language but there is no record of it.

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@queer There have been non-Hindi speaking Prime ministers & Presidents. Some were from south. Know about current PM and President. Find how many national leaders including PMs & Presidents from south and othe non-Hindi speaking areas. Your homework.

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^ they say sh!t flows downstream

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^ thank you for commenting.

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The book was banned people didnt even bother. but a guy writes a book and it becomes expression of radical punjabi nationalism. Height of generalization.

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Sometimes, symbolic BS is necessary to avoid controversies. At least, a student who has a scheduled language as his / her mother tongue, can use the language as medium of instruction in India. Using a language as medium of instruction lead to survival of language by producing literature. I have come across translation of Marathi, Malyalam, Punjabi books (published in India) in English / Urdu and they are producing really good literature highlighting problems their relevant areas. At least, these minority language speakers in India does not have to face racist remarks like ‘you hate national language, because you are insisting on your less developed language against the sophisticated national language’.

So India acknowledged languages spoken by 91% population and Pakistan rejected right for more than half population at the very beginning. Some people still try to justify these actions by referring to political and economic suppression (which is also a dominant factor), but when its about suppression of expression (which directly relates to language), they go aaen baen shaen. If you simply ask such people ‘was the decision of only one language inspite of agitation by Bengalis right one?’. You will never get a simple ‘Yes’ / ‘No’ answer even today.

This is how languages develop by adapting other languages and Urdu also got words for all the languages of Pakistan.

What are the organisations which are working for promotion of languages in India? I know about NCPUL.

The book was written (not one book but many. These were few examples). That means there exists a faction, which consider that Punjabi has been ignored. The point is simple as that. Generalization exist every where. If Sindhis can be termed as xenophobic for loving their language and culture, then coming a book from Punjabi writer terming Urdu as man-eating language can also lead to any generalisation for Punjabi mindset. If you ask me, I personally hate such generalizations as these are mere expression of insecurities by people who come up with such generalisation. Otherwise, if you love your language and own your culture, you are bound to respect others as well.

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@muqawwee123 lingual & cultural minorities have a fundamental right (they can directly move Supreme court skipping lower ones) to conserve the same. They get financial aid from government to establish & administer their educational institutions. There are a institution for this Sahitya Academy (you heard recent Rabindra nath Tagore styled Award Wapsi politics? :) ) est. due to efforts of Abul Kalam Azad, besides Sahitya Academy, MP has Tulsi Academy, Urdu Academy, Hindi granth Academy, Sindh Sahitya Academy & some festivals. Other states may have their own ( I have a book contains info abt Art & culture of MP)

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I know about Sahitya Academy not becuase of recent award wapis , but due to books that were awarded by the academy and get translated. You can see some of these books in my blog ‘Books and Books’. By The way, I got a novel on life of Tagore written by Sunil Gangopadhyay.

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@muqawwee123 I think Urdu in Pakistan is more developed than India because efforts would have been taken to assimilate words from other languages in Urdu. States play vital role in promotion of culture, sports & literature. I don't know why cricket subsumed other sports.

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The notification bringing Sindhi under Eighth Schedule says that:

There have been persistent demands from the Sindhi-speaking people for the inclusion of the Sindhi language in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitution. ** Although at present Sindhi is not a regional language in a well-defined area, it used to be the language of a province of the undivided India and, but for partition, would have continued to be so.* The Commissioner for Linguistic Minorities has also recommended the inclusion of Sindhi in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitution. On 4th November, 1966, it was announced that Government had decided to include the Sindhi language in the Eighth Schedule to the Constitution. The Bill seeks to give effect to this decision.*

THE CONSTITUTION (AMENDMENT)

So, if there was some population of Balochi, Saraiki, may be they had a chance in India to get their languages scheduled.

As far as Indian Sindhis are concerned, they are minority but influential one. A little that I know about movement for getting recognised Sindhi as national language, Sindhi writers like Mohan Kalpana, Popti Hirananadani and others actively pursued the case.

A detailed account of the struggle and reasons for getting Sindhi recognised as scheduled language is provided in the link below.

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@muqawwee123 You might have read Rabindranath Tagore returned knighthood after Jallianwalah bagh massacre I think this Award waspi got idea after reading that book, are you planning to return your awards? j/k

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Looks some akhand bharat fantasy. It isn’t a disputed fact that the indian muhajirs, aka the migrated sindhis, were and probably are very influential.

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I didn't lose any respect for your thread, I know you are not trying to politicise the issue and I appreciate your intentions. I just don't have any respect for xenophobic nationalists who use language as a tool to distort historical narrative. Yes the same xenophobic nationalists who wear their lingual pride on their sleeves, but go all tight lipped when others are racially abused and demonised in the name of their language. Racism and xenophobia is not just a US/Europe phenomena.

Look at the map of Pakistan, and I can guarantee you the regions where people wear their ethno-lingual complexes are more xenophobic and least developed. It is the diverse corners of Pakistan which are progressive. Is the correlation between lack of diversity and lack of progress a coincidence? Same pattern for religion and politics. Yes any corner in Pakistan where Mullahs and xenophobic nationalists are able to make people believe that they are endangered, attacked and invaded are most backward, and most unhappy.

Non Punjabis can shed crocodile tears for Punjabis 'abandoning' their language, but it will ultimately be the Punjabis who tell those critics that actually....their province has gained the most in terms of socio-economics progress by being slightly more flexible and accommodating 'outside' influences.

Besides, Na tou Pakistan khatam ho gya he (yes akhand bharat trolls can only dream) na Punjabi koi "dead language" he, let good governance, high literacy rate and the idea of socio-economic equality take off, inshAllah language revival will also follow.

We are proud of the fact that we don't have any marsoo marsoo nationalism in the province. Hopefully by next government, the issue of Bahawalpur province will take a decisive form. Once there is a Saraiki province, Punjab will be lot more relaxed and free to exercise its cultural and lingual supremacy, right now, it's naturally carrying way too much baggage of being the 'dominating big brother' as it is.

Other than that, trust me Punjabis are the type that if you have saag and makki ki roti and haleem on the table, they'll happily eat both dishes without giving a damn about which one belongs to the soil and which one is foreign. If you know what I'm trying to say.