Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
he said he supported judiciary the institution not the individual ifthikhar.
Again the judiciary was against one party, one person, throughout its five years tenure. Not a single case other than PPP bashing was decided. But then same judiciary reverted its guns to IK, IK was seeking apologies and arse kissing of ex-CJ. That was not a good supporting. What if IK remained neutral during five years of bashing of only PPP government by this corrupt CJ? Was he retarded that he did not understand this?
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
And what about supporting ex-Cj's son AI during investigations of his case of enjoying corruption money in foreign countries?
Supporting CJ = supporting AI. He regretted both. At the time Imran thought, like many others, that AI was being targeted wrongly in order to put pressure on CJ.
AI has had no need to come out in the media and defend himself. I wonder if these media appearances are a prelude to his stepping into active politics? No points for guessing his choice of party.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
Thank u for letting me know. That is good to hear.
Imran has supported Musharraf, maulvis, and ifti and has been wrong each time, well not sure if he ever said he was wrong to support maulvis
Maulvis are a broad category. You have guys ranging from Fazlur Rehman to Qazi Hussain Ahmed to Tahirul Qadri. All belong to different baskets. IK's opposition to drone strikes has always been incorrectly construed as 'support' for the taliban, which is unfair, because IK, and PTI have consistently clarified that point. But then again, that is politics. All opponents need is one strand of thread in order to try and unravel the whole dress.
As for PTI and JI, I personally dont like JI, and wont vote for them even if PTI wasnt in the picture, but fact remains that financially they are not corrupt, and they have a more democratic chain of command than most of our non-religious political parties.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI’s murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
They might have clarified, the problem is that the statements coming out in the press speak a little different picture. I will give you a couple of examples (see below). He was trying to make a point here, but as a leading politician he needs to choose his words very carefully and perhaps even suppress them because to most people these do appear to sound like he is siding with them. I said that before, he really needs to review what he says to the press and possibly assign a different adviser on such matters.
As for PTI and JI, I personally dont like JI, and wont vote for them even if PTI wasnt in the picture, but fact remains that financially they are not corrupt, and they have a more democratic chain of command than most of our non-religious political parties.
Yes I meant JI/JUI , TUQ is new to the game and TTP are terrorists not maulvis in the Pakistan political rhetoric. He needs to stay away from these clowns.
And yes they elect more democratically but 5 idiots electing one of them to be the leader who will raise the banner if idiotic demands and ideology is not a good thing. Their completely pathetic choice of munawar Hassan shows that if you vote to pick one rotten apple from a trough of rotten apples... You still get a rotten apple.
And lastly I really doubt that they are financially clean. There has been much written about income, assets and lifestyles of some of the leaders offspring.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
And yes they elect more democratically but 5 idiots electing one of them to be the leader who will raise the banner if idiotic demands and ideology is not a good thing. Their completely pathetic choice of munawar Hassan shows that if you vote to pick one rotten apple from a trough of rotten apples... You still get a rotten apple.
And lastly I really doubt that they are financially clean. There has been much written about income, assets and lifestyles of some of the leaders offspring.
Their intra-party electoral process is pretty good, and is not just about 5 guys electing an ameer. It is far more elaborate. Elections are held at the lower level, leading to the election of top tier, which then elects the ameer....not much different from PTIs internal elections, as well as our national assembly elections. Yes, you do get rotten apples, again, similar to the national assembly:) I believe that Munawar Hasan's refusal to contest the intraparty elections was due to this very pressure. He did not believe he could win, hence he bowed out. You have to give him points for that.
There are financial blots on every party. Corruption is deep rooted in our culture. Even in PTI, there are elements that need to be cleansed, but the more important part is accountability. JI and PTI have both shown a strong willingness for an internal accountability process, where people are sidelined or thrown out for corruption or mismanagement...something you don't see in other parties.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
They might have clarified, the problem is that the statements coming out in the press speak a little different picture. I will give you a couple of examples (see below). He was trying to make a point here, but as a leading politician he needs to choose his words very carefully and perhaps even suppress them because to most people these do appear to sound like he is siding with them.
I agree. Imran is pretty straightforward, and in being so, he makes statements that are not always politically correct. And that is one thing that his opponents chide him for as well...that he doesnt have the political acumen needed to 'reconcile', 'cooperate' etc. I personally feel that he needs to reduce his air time and put other faces forward for daily stuff...and he himself should come out only for major press conferences or interviews. His honesty and candidness doesnt fit well with Pak politics.
Their intra-party electoral process is pretty good, and is not just about 5 guys electing an ameer. It is far more elaborate. Elections are held at the lower level, leading to the election of top tier, which then elects the ameer....not much different from PTIs internal elections, as well as our national assembly elections. Yes, you do get rotten apples, again, similar to the national assembly:) I believe that Munawar Hasan's refusal to contest the intraparty elections was due to this very pressure. He did not believe he could win, hence he bowed out. You have to give him points for that.
There are financial blots on every party. Corruption is deep rooted in our culture. Even in PTI, there are elements that need to be cleansed, but the more important part is accountability. JI and PTI have both shown a strong willingness for an internal accountability process, where people are sidelined or thrown out for corruption or mismanagement...something you
don't see in other
parties.
1- 5 idiots was not literal... Point was that regardless of their internal selection process if the people they will pick are idiots then it's best to stay away from them.
2- JI leadership stuck around for years not being able to account for assets and sources. So I don't think accountability is that great. Same for their pals JUI.
3- most importantly though, their democratic process to elect leaders does not really make up for their other kartoot.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
1- 5 idiots was not literal... Point was that regardless of their internal selection process if the people they will pick are idiots then it's best to stay away from them.
2- JI leadership stuck around for years not being able to account for assets and sources. So I don't think accountability is that great. Same for their pals JUI.
3- most importantly though, their democratic process to elect leaders does not really make up for their other kartoot.
I agree...and the same applies to national politics as well, where well known corrupt people are put into positions of power, who resist accountability and hence, make the whole democratic exercise meaningless.....which is perhaps why Pakistanis tend to celebrate when army takes over.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
I agree. Imran is pretty straightforward, and in being so, he makes statements that are not always politically correct. And that is one thing that his opponents chide him for as well...that he doesnt have the political acumen needed to 'reconcile', 'cooperate' etc. I personally feel that he needs to reduce his air time and put other faces forward for daily stuff...and he himself should come out only for major press conferences or interviews. His honesty and candidness doesnt fit well with Pak politics.
I agree, i do not doubt his honesty and sincerity at all. As for your point about opponents taking chides at him for that, that is the nature of the business. It is a simple little thing that he needs to do i.e. like you suggested cut down on the air time. And you put up a good point for him to have other folks (possibly the younger PTI brass) on air more often because let's face it, PTI's 'future' is not Imran Khan... it's younger folks like Asad Umar (I feel like he handles air time very well btw) who will be the face of the future PTI. The more exposure they get, the better prepared the party is (right now it's still in a phase where if Imran retires or goes away, the party is not viable).
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
I agree...and the same applies to national politics as well, where well known corrupt people are put into positions of power, who resist accountability and hence, make the whole democratic exercise meaningless.....which is perhaps why Pakistanis tend to celebrate when army takes over.
The politicians at large are pretty horrid I must say and on that account with all his faux pas and errors in judgements I can at least say Imran is sincere, even when is misguided and wrong on a few topics.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI’s murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
I am all in favor of summoning documents from abroad and tying politicians based on those. Those, combined with public pressure, will have a dramatic effect on the political picture of Pakistan. Lets see, where do we start…
But unfortunately, our folks will only make selective calls on such an important issue.
Re: Unseen Clip of Fight between PTI's murad Saeed and Arsalan Iftikhar
MQM already tried legal to exploit Imran's daughter out of wedlock and we all know how magnificently well it turned out for them, in fact if anything they ended up losing a seat to PTI (hopefully more to come in the next elections).
ارسلان افتخار کا عمران خان کی امریکی خاتون سے مبینہ ناجائز بیٹی کے معاملے پر جید علماء سے فتوےٰ لینے کیلئے رابطے کا فیصلہ اسلام آباد (قدرت نیوز ) سابق چیف جسٹس پاکستان افتخار محمد چوہدری کے بیٹے ارسلان افتخار نے تحریک انصاف کے چیئرمین…*
