UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?

[afaaf]

I'm not going to comment on the fastfood halal/haraam debate, but i just want to say one thing:

Some of you are seriously naive.

"i'd rather buy food from a desi fast food place where i know it's halal..."

Really?....I mean REALLY?! How do you know it's halal and WHY do you trust them so readily? Oh i know: The "786" sign above the entrance door? The actual word "halal" in Arabic on the shop sign? Or is it the desi faces working behind the shop counter?

Do you go out of your way to find out where THEIR meat is sourced from? How it's slaughtered? Whether it is certified by the HFA/HMC?

Food for thought.

Actually its not that difficult to chase up if you live in a Muslim populated area. Local business usually buy their meat from local butchers who have links with local slaughter houses. In my town we have a slaughter house owned by a Muslim and all the local butchers buy their meat from him. So we can be sure that Alhamdulilah the meat is Halaal.

I think local Masajid should be involved in such research and therefore should support local Halaal butchers and other food business. It's not a one man job but the concern of the entire local community.

My sister lives in a village in which the Muslim population is next to none. She usually buys her meat from our town when she comes to visit. There are a few Muslim owned restaurants in her nearby city but she says none of them are Halaal. In fact the owner of this one Turkish restaurant was quite honest and admitted that they do not use Halaal meat because its not available locally.

I think if your local butchers are reliable honest people, they will not deceive you as it is their concern just as much as yours. Also it would be wrong to not trust a person who is respected and known to be honest and reliable in the community. Although this is not to say that it shouldn't be each person's priority to investigate for themselves.

Also, the story of Abu Bakr is a great lesson for us. His daughter Aishah narrated that Abubakr's slave brought him his meal as usual. It was not Abu bakr's habit to ask him where he got it from, as he was certain that it is from his own halal earnings. One day, as usual, he got him something to eat and Abubakr ate it without asking about its source. The slave asked, "Do you know what this is?" He replied "What?" The slave answered, "In my days of ignorance, I once did some acts of magic for a person, although I had no idea how to do it, but I managed to cheat him. Only now did he reward me for it, and I bought you something to eat from it." Abu Bakr immediately put his hand in his mouth and vomited everything that he had eaten until his stomach was empty. (Bukhari)

[aaho]

@X2

so when you shoot an animal or use a spear or cross bow or bow and arrow and it hits the animal, do you think there is no pain, and does that mean that the animal is not allowed by shariah.

the possibility of death by stunning is there, but it depends on which stunning method is used..so read away

you note HFA requirements, and from what I know HFA has no issue with stunning before zabeeha.

Halal Food Authority: Global Picture of Meat Certification (Seminars)

I saw your last post but I ignored it.. but again you are quoting the same lines which are not complete.

When you HUNT an animal it is said to shot it down and then reach it as soon as u can and slaughter it by cutting the throat and saying Bismillah as in normal Islamic way!! I hope you may have some idea of hunting.

[aaho]

I'm not going to comment on the fastfood halal/haraam debate, but i just want to say one thing:

Some of you are seriously naive.

"i'd rather buy food from a desi fast food place where i know it's halal..."

Really?....I mean REALLY?! How do you know it's halal and WHY do you trust them so readily? Oh i know: The "786" sign above the entrance door? The actual word "halal" in Arabic on the shop sign? Or is it the desi faces working behind the shop counter?

Do you go out of your way to find out where THEIR meat is sourced from? How it's slaughtered? Whether it is certified by the HFA/HMC?

Food for thought.

It is said that you have to listen and believe in what a Muslim say to you, because if he is lying then he has to answer to Allah about it. If he says say he "dont know" then better not to buy it.

I know many people lie now a days but you have to track yourself accordingly as its said in Islam.

If you still doubt then dont buy it. or if you doubt that a cooked food is even not halal dont eat it.

If you want to make one thing Surah Bakrah then you will make Islam yourself complicated.

[Deeba1234]

**Apparently all KFC's in UK are becoming halaal. **Not sure about McD's. I doubt the chips are cooked in pig fat. KFC is not all that anyway, Infact i find it vile. Just going inside there makes me gag! The only thing i heard was the strawberry milkshake wasnt halaal, Maybe thats why its *so *yummy??

Really?? I love KFC, yes I know it's garbage but I don't care, it tastes sooooo nice :)

Maroush is right about the trusting thing, a really good Jewish friend of mine was telling me once that the part they don't eat (can't remember specifically which bit it was) from kosher meat is sometimes sold onto halal shops and then labelled as 'halal' by the creeps who sell it on.. Also, when those few KFCs in London went halal there were certain Muslim-run businesses who were spreading all sorts of rumours about them to stop people buying from there.. hate to say it but I prob trust KFC more than the average desi-run fast food shop.. We get all our halal meat from a nearby farm run by a non-Muslim lol but their stuff is such good quality (the halal burgers my mum used to buy from places in Ilford or East London always tasted like rubber to me) they get just as many non-Muslims as Muslims buying from there..

[X2]

I saw your last post but I ignored it.. but again you are quoting the same lines which are not complete.

When you HUNT an animal it is said to shot it down and then reach it as soon as u can and slaughter it by cutting the throat and saying Bismillah as in normal Islamic way!! I hope you may have some idea of hunting.

lines are complete, your grasp of them is not.

The point was 'pain' before zabeeha..whether the animal is in pain because there is an arrow that has pierced their abdomen or some stun.

as far as zabeeha as soon as you hit some animal..same with the stun, they are not stunned and left for 2 days to just kick back, teh stunning takes place just before zabeeha is done.

I have enough of an idea of hunting as I have hunted with crossbow and rifles. and when you hunt you cant always get to the animal/bird in 10 seconds..especially in situations like when hunting from stands, it takes you time to just get down from it, and zabah. The deer is in pain until you get there and do zabeeha. same for birds, sometimes it takes time to find it due to overgrowth.

the issue with stun is whether it kills the animal, and the method listed does not kill, to a point that if you dont zabeeha the chicken it can regain consciousness. there fore the stun is not killing it, which becomes a moot point. and the pain issue is covered per my post.

[X2]

Actually its not that difficult to chase up if you live in a Muslim populated area. Local business usually buy their meat from local butchers who have links with local slaughter houses. In my town we have a slaughter house owned by a Muslim and all the local butchers buy their meat from him. So we can be sure that Alhamdulilah the meat is Halaal.

Even If the meat is "Zabiha", it wouldn't change the fact that the animal has been fed with Haram things before it got slaughtered. Which would pretty much make the meat Haram for us Muslims, yeah?

We all know how the mad cow disease came into life, don't we?

The governments of the countries where most of the cow meat comes from allow the industries to feed their cows with fodder made out of PORK, cow fat, blood, and sometimes even waste of other animals. So yeah, bon appétit.

If you want to eat Halal Zabiha meat, get it from your local Muslim butcher.

Unless the butcher has his own ranches and has full control over the feed then you are still relying on cattle fed whatever. Now some butchers do have contracts with the open range organic poultry farms and cattle ranches but not all.

btw if what animals eat make the animals haram for us, then chicken just eat a lot of crap, even in pakistan..but no one has gone and declared chicken haram based on that. and I suppose same for their eggs..just something to think about

[rainyday]

just to add you guys know that generally they say 80% of halal meat on the British market is stunned listen to a radio 4 show abt halal meat it will inform you about it more. BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - Food Programme, Halal

[X2]

Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?

stun to have the animal in an unconscious state from which the animal can be revived, not stun to kill though, right?

[diwana]

Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?

I am being lazy and have not read the complete thread.

Just read few posts above and want to share that if the halal animal or bird is killed by hunting by rifle or something sharp to bleed the animal or bird to death (before one can reach the animal to properly slaughter) then still the meat of that animal or bird is halal. One has to call the name of Allah when fires the shot or throws the arrow or whatever sharp weapon.

[rainyday]

stun to have the animal in an unconscious state from which the animal can be revived, not stun to kill though, right?

yep thats right they stun not to kill, then the animal is slaughtered according to the quran

[aaho]

I am being lazy and have not read the complete thread.

Just read few posts above and want to share that if the halal animal or bird is killed by hunting by rifle or something sharp to bleed the animal or bird to death (before one can reach the animal to properly slaughter) then still the meat of that animal or bird is halal. One has to call the name of Allah when fires the shot or throws the arrow or whatever sharp weapon.

I thought hunters who hunt under the Islamic teaching may have known this but alas they dont.

Khair nice description about it.

Also when an electric shock is given the whole body cools down... they hit the brain to electro-destabilize an animal an in a body oh human as I know from studies the last thing that dies in brain.. when you make it first then the whole body dies at once leaving the heart not to pump blood out of the body where as in hunting you hit an animal and then you slaughter it to push its blood out of it as it is said to reach animal soon ok notin 10 sec but evenif you hit an animal with any bullet or spear the heart keep pumping for some time (dont know the exact time) so it pumps the blood as the scientific reason of slaughtering is to push the blood out of the body as drinking / eating bloog is not halal and also the other reason is mostly blood contains or is the source of many diseases so it may also emptied out to some limit.

[X2]

I am being lazy and have not read the complete thread.

Just read few posts above and want to share that if the halal animal or bird is killed by hunting by rifle or something sharp to bleed the animal or bird to death (before one can reach the animal to properly slaughter) then still the meat of that animal or bird is halal. One has to call the name of Allah when fires the shot or throws the arrow or whatever sharp weapon.

thats partially true, and that focus has to be on the 'bleed to death' portion. there are issues with this when hunting birds or hunting an animal that falls and you can not be certain that the death is by impact of the fall, or if it falls in water..and you cant be certain that the animal died of drowning. then regardless of whether you said something before you shot the arrow or the bullet, it does not matter its not halal.

[X2]

Also when an electric shock is given the whole body cools down... they hit the brain to electro-destabilize an animal an in a body oh human as I know from studies the last thing that dies in brain.. when you make it first then the whole body dies at once leaving the heart not to pump blood out of the body where as in hunting you hit an animal and then you slaughter it to push its blood out of it as it is said to reach animal soon ok notin 10 sec but evenif you hit an animal with any bullet or spear the heart keep pumping for some time (dont know the exact time) so it pumps the blood as the scientific reason of slaughtering is to push the blood out of the body as drinking / eating bloog is not halal and also the other reason is mostly blood contains or is the source of many diseases so it may also emptied out to some limit.

the type of stun we are talking about does not kill, just makes the birds unconscious and they can be fully revived i.e. if you dont do zabeeha they can regain consciousness and go do whatever it is that chicken do in their free time.

[Himalaya]

Are the chickens in KFC slaughtered by hand or mechanical?

[aaho]

@X2

the type of stun we are talking about does not kill, just makes the birds unconscious and they can be fully revived i.e. if you dont do zabeeha they can regain consciousness and go do whatever it is that chicken do in their free time.

They quote it as stunning but actually they die at the spot. Check their stunning Hofs yourself.

[aaho]

@thejoke

Are the chickens in KFC slaughtered by hand or mechanical?

Location please?

[diwana]

@X2

thats partially true, and that focus has to be on the 'bleed to death' portion. there are issues with this when hunting birds or hunting an animal that falls and you can not be certain that the death is by impact of the fall, or if it falls in water..and you cant be certain that the animal died of drowning. then regardless of whether you said something before you shot the arrow or the bullet, it does not matter its not halal.

Yes, death by drowning or fall will not make the anima/bird halal.

Hence, in order to make it not partially true, I said ........"to bleed the animal or bird to death"..... :)

Someone once stated that mechanical way of slaughtering hanging chickens has a risk that some chickens may fall in to water underneath without being slaughtered properly and die from drowning. So those places where hand slaughter of chickens hanging on the belt is better way to make sure they are halal. (one can see an ad on desi TV for halal chicken slaughter house for better understanding)

[X2]

@aaho

They quote it as stunning but actually they die at the spot. Check their stunning Hofs yourself.

dude, I have been to where they stun it, it does not kill the chicken. and I am not talking general KFC practices, I am talking about zabeeha practices where they stun the chicken before zabeeha.

also dont confuse two different types of stuns, this is not the bolt stun used on cattle..

[X2]

@diwana

Yes, death by drowning or fall will not make the anima/bird halal.

Hence, in order to make it not partially true, I said ........"to bleed the animal or bird to death"..... :)

Someone once stated that mechanical way of slaughtering hanging chickens has a risk that some chickens may fall in to water underneath without being slaughtered properly and die from drowning. So those places where hand slaughter of chickens hanging on the belt is better way to make sure they are halal. (one can see an ad on desi TV for halal chicken slaughter house for better understanding)

I know what you meant, i was adding clarifying comments not negating your comments about hunting topics. :)

do you know how the zabeeha is done at these mechanical ways? I have been to several different places, read the studies, met with experts at international halal food conference etc. just because a mechanical apparatus is utilized does not mean its some automated assembly line..or disassembly line :)

[diwana]

@X2

I know what you meant, i was adding clarifying comments not negating your comments about hunting topics. :)

do you know how the zabeeha is done at these mechanical ways? I have been to several different places, read the studies, met with experts at international halal food conference etc. just because a mechanical apparatus is utilized does not mean its some automated assembly line..or disassembly line :)

I never had a chance to see these places, may be some day. I only saw two guys doing zabiha on these chickens on that ad. Don't know how automatic zabiha is done or if it is really automatic cutter at all without any human involved.