Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?
okay, you know when you go to a butcher and they are either cutting teh chicken into pieces for you by using a knife or this machine on which they cut the chicken, just think of that just many of those with people working on those.
have you seen one of those mechanical knives they sell now, its like cutting with a mechanical knife rather than a manual one..thats it
okay, you know when you go to a butcher and they are either cutting teh chicken into pieces for you by using a knife or this machine on which they cut the chicken, just think of that just many of those with people working on those.
have you seen one of those mechanical knives they sell now, its like cutting with a mechanical knife rather than a manual one..thats it
I know bhai X2 what you are saying..:D I was talking about very large plants where hundreds of chickens are slaughtered by hanging on a coveyor belt upside down. I have not seen those. I guess but not sure that human are doing slaightering there. Or maybe!?
Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?
yeah I dont know about those, I was talking about the processing plants that supply zabeeha chicken to KFC etc, this process btw is not specific to UK, muslim countries have similar processes in place.
the large plants which are supplying the meat which is not labeled zabeeha, I dont know if they have 100% automated ones, the places I have been to are a mix of fully automated processes and manual. the process of initial work including skinning is more manual, the deboning and cutting into pieces is more automated, in large scale proccessers the latter steps that I noted are 100% automated.
Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?
^ OKay, Thanks. :) Someday I will just find time to visit these places.
Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?
^^ There are some productions where "each" Helal Animal is slaughtered in Helal way. I mean with one hand and knife. I know it is productions thats why they have more humans in place to slaughter them to reach the daily order they get. I also have seen those semi automated plants where they slaughter animal in Helal in such a way that the person who turn the blade switch say Bism Allah and push the button and that blade cut the animal throat in one go.
Although skinning is done through machine as there are such machines that can do it very well depending upon the Animal size.
Oh BTW I am not butcher :D I just visited those plants, OR got informed about those who work there, for my information.
Re: UK - Mcdonalds/ KFC halal or not?
^Thanks and ...lol..
Some discussion on an MPAC forum about KFC
KFC is NOT Halal - MPACUK :: Muslim Discussion Forum
HMC opinion on KFC
An articvle aboput it
Halal dispute over Kentucky Fried Chicken - The National Newspaper
LONDON // A trial involving the sale of halal poultry at dozens of outlets of a fast-food chain across Britain has left groups of Christians and Muslims embroiled in two very different controversies.
On one hand, non-Muslim groups are setting up internet petitions against KFC’s move to sell halal-only products in the trial at 74 of its outlets across the country. On the other, Muslims themselves are questioning whether, in fact, the poultry being sold is truly halal.
Adding to the confusion is a report in this week’s Grocer magazine that claims that up to three-quarters of all poultry sold as halal in the UK is falsely labelled.
The controversy follows a row in France, where seven stores in the Quick chain of hamburger restaurants switched to selling only halal turkey burgers, sparking protests from non-Muslim French communities.
Halal slaughter methods have long been controversial in the UK. Almost six years ago, the Farm Animal Welfare Council, an independent group of experts appointed to advise the government, called for both halal and kosher slaughtering to be banned immediately because of the suffering it caused to animals. The main reason cited by the council was that in both religious practices, the animals were not pre-stunned before being cut and bled to death. The government, fearing a backlash from Muslim and Jewish communities, ignored the report.
Both halal and kosher slaughterers have an exemption from the pre-stunning that is a legal requirement at UK abattoirs for all other livestock.
However, the question of whether pre-stunning is allowed by Islam has become a hot topic of debate within the Muslim community in Britain.
KFC admits that its poultry is pre-stunned, but says this is approved by the Halal Food Authority (HFA), which has certified all the stores in the current trial. Many Muslims, however, say the HFA’s standards are not strict enough.
“We are pleased to say that there will be no compromise to our welfare standards,” KFC says. “We continue to insist that our poultry is stunned before slaughter, using a technique called ‘stun-to-stun’.”
However, according to this week’s Asian Image newspaper, the fast-food chain has been summoned to a meeting with the Lancashire Council of Mosques (LCM) after it was “inundated” with calls from Muslims asking how halal KFC’s halal really was.
“This issue is of great concern to us because the halal criterion, adopted by LCM after wide consultation, does not allow stunning and this conforms to British law,” the council said in a statement.
“We are concerned whether there is a thorough certification process in place throughout the supply chain of KFC and whether the independent monitoring mechanism is effective.”
Until the meeting with the company takes place, the council “recommends the Muslim community to exercise caution and remain vigilant”.
Meanwhile, many non-Muslims appear unhappy that their local KFC is no longer producing the finger lickin’ stuff they are used to.
By yesterday, more than 1,500 people had supported one of the petitions on Facebook opposing the “halal only” trial at the outlet in Colne, Lancashire, which has a large Muslim population.
One local told the Burnley Express newspaper: “I think to have halal forced on us and to not have a choice is wrong. They are saying the food is blessed, but that is not my religion. They have also taken out all their pork and bacon products. Surely, this is discriminating against people who do eat pig in this country.”
Then, last weekend, the new edition of Grocer magazine added a fresh ingredient to the controversy with the claim that the majority of halal-labelled poultry was not in fact halal because it was slaughtered by machine, rather than an individual.
Naved Syed, of the English Beef and Lamb Executive’s halal steering group, told the magazine the meat was being passed off as halal because the slaughter method was not usually printed on labels.
“If you told Muslims it was done by a machine, they wouldn’t buy it,” Mr Syed said. “Practically all imams in this country have said that machine killing is not halal. Otherwise, there’s no difference between halal and non-halal.”
The UK does not have a single standard for halal slaughter. Many Muslim countries have outlawed the practice after the internationally recognised, Malaysian Halal Standard MS 1500 removed machine slaughtering as an acceptable practice last year.
Last week, the Birmingham Council of Mosques said it did not accept machine slaughter.
Zahid Hussain, the chairman of the processing company Cappoquin Poultry, said: “Machine slaughter is definitely not a lawful condition of halal. You have to have a manual slaughter and also each bird needs to be blessed.”
Mr Syed said his organisation was carrying out consumer research into attitudes towards halal production, covering such topics as the growth of the Muslim population in England, the demand for halal products, the supply chain and changing consumption trends.
BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | When is halal meat not halal meat?
When is halal meat not halal meat?
WHO, WHAT, WHY?
The Magazine answers…
Fast food chain KFC is trialling halal meat in certain restaurants, but some Muslims say it hasn’t been killed in the correct Islamic way. Catrin Nye asks when is halal meat not halal meat?
It may claim its food is “finger lickin’ good”, but until recently strict Muslims might have seen a problem with it.
Now fast food chain Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC) is trialling halal meat - meaning it has been killed in accordance with Islamic dietary laws - in eight of its UK restaurants. But the trial has sparked a debate over what is and what isn’t halal, with some Muslims boycotting the restaurants because they say the meat has not been killed correctly.
The issue is whether meat can be halal if it has been slaughtered using mechanical methods.
Traditionally, halal meat is killed by hand and must be blessed by the person doing the job. But some Muslims say a mechanised form is also now acceptable.
Halal is the description of food and drink Muslims are allowed to consume under Islamic dietary laws defined in the Koran and in the sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. Classifying of halal food can only be carried out by a Muslim expert in the laws.
The meat is traditionally prepared by slaughtering the animal with a quick cut to the throat with a sharp knife to allow all blood to drain out, the idea being that the meat is cleaner. The slaughterman is required to say the traditional proclamation of faith in one god as the animal is killed.
THE ANSWER
When it has been slaughtered using mechanical methods
Halal Food Authority says this is acceptable
Halal Monitoring Committee says it should be done by hand
What is a kosher chicken?
At present two separate organisations regulate the halal food industry in the UK. The Halal Food Authority (HFA) says using machines is OK, as long as the meat is still blessed. It argues that advances in technology mean methods have to change and though a machine does the killing, the meat is still blessed by a Muslim slaughterman.
But the Halal Monitoring Committee (HMC) says animals should be slaughtered by hand and using a machine is not halal and not permissible. It argues mechanisation contradicts a fundamental principle of halal - that the person who slaughters the animal is the same person who recites the words over it.
Call for single body
“Halal is a very sacred part of a Muslim’s diet and many Muslims do not even know what they are eating when it’s certified as halal in this way,” says Yunus Dudhwala, chairman of the HMC.
“I think the majority would be very upset to find out that it’s been mechanically killed.”
KFC says it is following the guidance offered by what it considers a reputable adviser.
“We are working with the Halal Food Authority, one of the most widely recognised bodies in the UK and overseas, who have audited and approved our halal suppliers, distribution and our trial store environments,” says a spokesperson for the company.
WHO, WHAT, WHY?
A regular part of the BBC News Magazine, Who, What, Why? aims to answer some of the questions behind the headlines
The debate has prompted calls for a single body to regulate the halal food industry which has a clear set of guidelines on animal slaughter.
“The onus is not on individuals to identify each and every item that they eat, if the seller says it’s halal that’s enough,” says Ajmal Masroor, an Imam and spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain. He neither approves nor disapproves of either certification process and therefore does not endorse or reject KFC’s methods.
kfc tastes disgusting..not even real food..dont now what it is..