Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Looks like I am talking to a wall. I repeatedly tell you that you are making a false comparison between homosexuality and animal sex. Either you are being wilfully dishonest or you are not able to process simple statements
Don't dodge the question!
Do you or do you not support a "minority" which wants to legalize animal sex?
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Don't dodge the question!
Do you or do you not support a "minority" which wants to legalize animal sex?
As I have said earlier, I will not entertain your false equivalence. Show some integrity and ackowledge you are makingg a false equivalence between homosexuaqlity and animal sex.
this is more than a debate for me - it is about rights of all human beings. Maybe someday you will have the wisdom to see it. Till then, you can have a hollow victory here - whatever point you were trying to prove with this asinine question.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
that is your opinion ..don't pass it on as a fact..thanks
Hm lets see?
Pakistan founded as a Secular nation. Check.
Military coups are illegal. Check.
It seems your trying to pass on fact as if it were my opinion.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Don't dodge the question!
Do you or do you not support a "minority" which wants to legalize animal sex?
Tbh, I would support legalizing it. If we are allowed to KILL AND EAT animals, then raping them is surely a lesser crime against them.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan (Urdu: آئین پاکستان ) is the supreme law of Pakistan. Known as the Constitution of 1973, it was drafted by the government of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and, following additions by the opposition parties, was approved by the legislative assembly on April 10, 1973.[SUP][1]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Pakistan#cite_note-0)[/SUP] It was Pakistan’s first ever constitution by consensus unlike two earlier constitutions, the Constitution of 1956 and the Constitution of 1962.
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And per constitution, we are an Islamic country.
I don’t know which country you are from, but in Pakistan we can not allow to pass a law which legalize homosexuality, animal sex and so on.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Homosexuality = bestiality.
I learn new things on this forum everyday.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
And here another likewise:
Why don't you set an example by legalizing homosexuality in India first and then come back and preach us about it?
So much of "preaching tolerance elsewhere but not practicing in own country"!!!
Already legal in India since July 2009, when Article 377 was decriminalized by the Delhi High Court.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
^ I did not know that. Step in the right direction.
Going through this thread, I realize things got heated up a bit. Will try to keep it calmer.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
For what I know, it is also legal in India to marry a minor girl with a dog.(BBC NEWS | South Asia | Girl weds dog to break 'evil spell'](BBC NEWS | South Asia | Girl weds dog to break 'evil spell'))
So we don’t have to follow everything which you do over there.
As I said, we are an Islamic country and can not legalize Homosexuality, sex with animals and so on.
There are million others things in Pakistan to worry about, every country has its priorities. Ours should be on elevating people from poverty, provide them food, shelter, education, healthcare etc.
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Kindly dont share personal experiances 
Please be decent when venting your **** out azizi.Taliban are the most GOd fearing mujahideen nowadays.Ask riddly .
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you disliked being forced to do anything. I have misjudged you, champion of freedom. How dare I force you to live according to my standards morality!? You should be free to set your own standards. It's your life, not mine.
Just in case you can't detect my obvious sarcasm, I'm calling you out for being a hypocrite who would force other people to do what he wants, but cry foul when perceived force is used against him. I say perceived, because voluntarily accepted aid is far from force, unlike the actual physical and legal force used against gays in Pakistan.
Also, your username is Rommel. I just thought that was relevant. Of couse you'd be a Nazi sympathizer. Extremists tend to think alike.
this is about opinions not about commiting violence against homosexuals.
regarding foreign aid who is accepting the aid is it free people or corrupt dictators, no doubt in the dimly lit space called you thinking capacity you assume that countries like Pakistan is a place where the people have a choice in these matters WRONG!
If anyone is doing the forcing it is the United states government not muslims.
and finally the name rommel means citizen of rome not after hitler general whats next you going to call everyone called Jeffrey a fan of serial killer Jeffry dalmer get a grip you secular extremist buffoon, but hey i guess you all think alike!
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
One more example of lack of integrity in a debate - you wanted me to “campaign” for the rights of homosexuals in India. Now someone has shown that in India they do have rights. And so you bait and switch.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
this is about opinions not about commiting violence against homosexuals.
regarding foreign aid who is accepting the aid is it free people or corrupt dictators, no doubt in the dimly lit space called you thinking capacity you assume that countries like Pakistan is a place where the people have a choice in these matters WRONG!
If anyone is doing the forcing it is the United states government not muslims.
and finally the name rommel means citizen of rome not after hitler general whats next you going to call everyone called Jeffrey a fan of serial killer Jeffry dalmer get a grip you secular extremist buffoon, but hey i guess you all think alike!
Your avatar looks conspicuously like Erwin Rommel, but perhaps I was too quick to judge. I don't feel sorry for any personal attacks though, I'm doing to you what you do to other human beings in the name of "morality."
I hate corruption just as much as the next guy. Even if the Pakistani people don't have the ability to reject the aid, that doesn't make the attachment of aid to specific requirements "forceful." Tanks and bombs are forceful, sanctions are forceful, but withholding of aid is the prerogative of the donor country. You make it sound like America has a duty to give unconditional aid to Pakistan.
If the US was going to use force, which it isn't, that wouldn't even necessarily be a bad thing. We use force to stop others from using force, don't we? If we can use force to stop murder and rape, then we can use force to stop the abuse of people's human rights.
Also, "secular extremists"? That's a good one.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Tbh, I would support legalizing it. If we are allowed to KILL AND EAT animals, then raping them is surely a lesser crime against them.
So I take, you will also support legalizing terrible acts such as marrying minor girls to animals?
As in India seems to be the case.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
So I take, you will also support legalizing terrible acts such as marrying minor girls to animals?
As in India seems to be the case.
Of course not. Minors can't consent to marriage. Neither can animals. Adult human beings can get married because they can provide informed consent. There is no compelling state interest which can justify the government not giving marriage licenses to CONSENTING HUMAN AND ADULT couples.
And where do you get the idea that minor-to-animal marriage is legal in India? It's practiced by some mentally challenged people in India but has no force of law.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
And where do you get the idea that minor-to-animal marriage is legal in India? It's practiced by some mentally challenged people in India but has no force of law.
It is NOT illegal in India!
I would strongly suggest you check your facts before posting.
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It is NOT illegal in India! I would strongly suggest you check your facts before posting.
Now you're just being silly. The state grants marriage licenses under specific circumstances. If those circumstances are not met, then the marriage is not legally recognized. In other words, if it isn't legal, then it's illegal. So there really isn't any need to codify in law and ban every possible alternative marital arrangement the 1 billion+ people of India can come up with.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
The US is not pushing homosexuality in Muslims lands b/c homosexuality is already widespread in Muslim countries. What the US is saying that it would not support violation of human rights, including gays. Funny thing is that right wingers in this country have lot more in common with conservative Muslims than liberals in America on this issue.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
^ On social issues, American and Pakistani conservatives are virtually identical.
Re: U.S. to use foriegn aid to promote homsexuality in muslim lands!!!
Of course not. Minors can't consent to marriage. Neither can animals. Adult human beings can get married because they can provide informed consent. There is no compelling state interest which can justify the government not giving marriage licenses to CONSENTING HUMAN AND ADULT couples.
Consenting Human and Adult people, whatever they want to do, should that be legalized?
There is this famous case, where two adult German homosexuals agreed that one will be killed and his meat will be eaten by other. And they did exactly that. There are several hundred others who wanted to do the same. The cannibal wanted that this be legalized, because everything was by consent.
Where do we stop, if we keep legalizing absured things practiced by one community or the other?
This is the main question and not about some human rights etc.
If homosexual are pleased to have stuff in private, we don't care...
but legalizing that in Islamic countries, sorry thats not gonna happen!