U.N. Security Council bans Jamat-Dawa and Hafiz Saeed

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The question is what now. Is UN wrong??? earlier Indian media was wrong, Pak govt was wrong, BBC was wrong, CNN was wrong.......... fed up let some at least govt official come out with what specific proof they want !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Funny though we will not hand over the terrorist but try them by Pakistan laws , India however handover the terrrorist??? quite funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

For jiia
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With ghaddari - the great president of Pakistan, the rules from 2004 - 2008 of arresting and handing over Pakistani citizens to other countries seem to remain intact.

But I can only hope that no more innocent lives are wasted in this process.

Dr Who
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He is right though. Musharraf could have ended the LeT menace but he did not. Musharraf took action against some groups like Jaish-e-Mohammad because they came after him but he left LeT alone and grow bigger.

It is shameful that after the earthquake, our army and civil officials could not give relief and let jihadi tanzeems take over and set up base. While they did give good help, they soon reverted to their main goal and brought trouble to Pakistan.

We cannot say UN is biased because this is the same body we are basing our whole Kashmir case on!

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haha so jab Musharraf ki baat ati hai tu ISI clean ho jati hai. Jab us ki baat nahee ati tu ISI becomes the big bad terrorist network mafia of the world. I am just exposing your double standards and hypocrisy here. I dont know if you know or not, but the head of an organization is blamed for its actions, or in this case the failure. Musharraf was never serious about curbing terrorism, he was only interested in retaining his kursi.

For Pur Tajassus STA
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Where did i said ... isi is clean or its not ? You personal assumption ?. I was just pointing out bringing Mushi in every single post of yours in last 2 years.. Its hypocrisy or what ?.

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How is that hypocrisy? Look up hypocrisy on dictionary.com?

p.s. you weren't even here two years ago, or were you.

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:fifa:

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contrary to jaanbaaz and florence i think no matter what pakistan does (although it does need to curb terrorists for its own good and image) the mainplayers against pakistan are not in it to fight terror. they dont like the fact that a poor muslim country has nuclear weapons

so based on this line of thought pakistan will have challenges left right and center as long as these opposing nations feel that it is in their interests to take on pakistan.

terrorism is not the heart of the problem

only pakistan military strength can make these issues vanish

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There is only one way, we never adopted that; Justice Merit Education and Total Control on Corruption Population Polution Jahalat khatam ho gi to Izat milay gi-

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Why would anyone expect China, even acting as a pro-pakistan power, to do anything to block this?

The Pakistani government has repeatedly stated it has no connection and nothing to do with LeT. China would not be acting against the Pak govt by backing this resolution.

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Not fully correct. I know for a fact that in 2005 and 2007 China blocked UNSC efforts to ban JuD as a front for LeT, both times at the request of Pakistan.

This is why the world powers were quick to pressure Pakistan. They knew that LeT/JuD was the favourite jihadi group of our powers that be and they knew that this was a bridge too far.

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Look why would China do anything when our own mission didn't object. This is extremely pathetic. But the instructions were sent from the top man himself not to say anything against it.

Programming
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CM,

So what do you suggest? There is damning evidence tying LeT to the attacks and there is overwhelming evidence to show that our own agencies have allowed LeT to operate under the cover of Jamaat-Dawa.

Should we do the right thing or should we face international isolation and get the tag of a rogue state which supports terrorist groups. The Mumbai attacks were not the most bloody in the history of South Asia but they were on live TV and they captured the imagination of the whole world. These jihadis acted like butchers and killed people from all nationalities, especially elites. There was even a pro-Pakistan Euro MP like Sajjad Karim who just missed being killed (They let many Muslims go).

Conspiracy theories will work on forums but when there is so much evidence and Pakistan does not act, the world will have to conclude that we support these actions. Today's Dawn even has a report showing that that captured terrorist is from Faridkot near Okara, along the Kasur-Depalpur road.

To me, we did the right thing. We should have done this years ago. Too bad, we have to face the international outrage to do the correct thing.

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We do what we need to defend our people and our country. Now tell me this, if they have decided to place one organization on the list without any questions from Pakistan, what is to stop them from placing 20 others? Putting the ISI on the list and much worse? The political ramifications of this are intense.

I still want to see the proof that everybody seems to have yet no newspaper has covered it.

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CM,

Dawn has covered it today. Did you not read the other thread? The shooter captured by India was caught on tape at several locations. A Pakistani man from the same village identified by India is saying that it was his son. Other people in the village told a Pakistani reporter that the boy was recruited by LeT and that the area is a stronghold of LeT and related organizations.

The fact that our own government acted even before the UN ban should tell us something. If there is no proof, we should not act. By acting, we have said it clearly - guilty as charged.

The political ramifications are not because of UN or US. It is because of our own policy choices to foster and cover up for such jihadi groups. If we set our house in order, we have nothing to fear. Blaming others for our faults will not work beyond a point. "My country, right or wrong" is just stupid policy.

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It was on News that the Guy Named Mohammad Ashraf, Finance sect. of Jamat, declared terrorist by UN, died in 2002...

Can any one confirm this?

smiley wala thread!
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It was in Jang News two days ago, and no one comment on it. Might be a hoax !

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It was on some Indian news channel as well....can be a hoax and can be reality.. who knows...

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how many more newspapers do you want to cover it before you stop this denial? The father of the terrorist even uses only one newspaper to cover his pakoras but you want 25 newspapers

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:biggthumb Good one !