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Thanks JaanBaaz , for atleast trying to talk some sense into some guppies who are still living in denial and their own world of conspiracy theories. What they just don't understand is how other decent Pakis citizens lving in western countries are kind off facing the backlash of being assocaited with Pakistan........Just because of few crazy jihadist ?
Spock is rightly bringing Mush in to this all time sh!ty situation as he is responsible for creating more jehadis than eliminating them, perhaps convincing Uncle Sam for getting more $$$$ for war against terror.
Spock is rightly bringing Mush in to this all time sh!ty situation as he is responsible for creating more jehadis than eliminating them, perhaps convincing Uncle Sam for getting more $$$$ for war against terror.
Aao Ji Aao, man that mushi is long gone.. come back to real world, if you can't touch him why even think about putting him in jail. Ghussa pi jaoo..
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at this stage the pakistani 'link' is also a conspiracy!
nothing has been proven yet
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Abay you . If Newspapers were the only thing required for proof why the **** are the Indians still concluding their investigation. Seriously if you consider what the newspapers say as proof, you I bet believe that Britney Spears is having an affair with Will Smith. The Indian government has yet to show any proof. It has picked a name and a location and the media is connecting the dots based on only 2 things. A name and a village.
If that is all we need to prove someone is guilty. The terrorists were actually from Sudan. One was named Mohammed Kasoha Ibrahim and he came from Malakal. Now to sell this bit of information to a Newspaper and you would be believing it in seconds.
Oh yeah and there is that bridge I want to sell.
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Pakistan should act not because India is saying so, but because this terrorism is affecting Pakistan too…
Cleaning up the act with conviction
The government of Pakistan, together with the leaders of the armed forces, and the main opposition party, the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PMLN), have done Pakistan a great service by heeding the voice of the international community in general, and China in particular, by taking action against the organisations banned on Wednesday by the Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council: Jama’at-ud Dawa and Jaish-e Muhammad.
Most Pakistanis will be shocked at the outreach of Jama’at-ud Dawa in the country after its “education” and charity institutions were raided on Thursday in compliance with the UN Security Council ban. In fact, action had begun before Thursday after Pakistan became aware of the extent to which Dawa-Lashkar was possibly involved in the Mumbai attacks.
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In Punjab alone, 18 cities have the presence of an outfit that the UN Security Council thinks is involved in terrorism abroad. Outside Punjab, the network is also highly developed from Karachi to Peshawar and Azad Kashmir. In some cities, the Dawa “system” has chains of kindergarten schools which the government must now consider taking over and running as its own system to prevent the children from being deprived of education. Dawa had its own “universities” too, but public knowledge about them is scanty.
It is also not known widely in Pakistan that Jama’at-ud Dawa was the target of new restrictions at the Sanctions Committee of the UN Security Council but was saved by a Chinese veto every time the matter was brought up by affected states. It was accused of being involved in terrorism in the UK, and there was a scandal in 2005 of large sums of money being funnelled as charity funds during the earthquake in Pakistan, which some suspected had been actually remitted to Dawa.
India had its plaint over the Red Fort attack in 2000, and Dawa was noted for the conspicuous act of leading the funeral prayer in absentia in Lahore for Al Qaeda’s sectarian terrorist Zarqawi after his death in Iraq. After that, Dawa warriors were noticed in Iraq too. Of course Dawa claimed that it was a new organisation and had nothing to do with Lashkar-e Tayba that was allegedly carrying out terrorist acts, and was based in Indian-administered Kashmir. The UK had to bring in new laws to prevent charity contributions of up to 3 million pounds annually to the Dawa-Lashkar recipients in Pakistan.
Dawa moved from Muridke — after it became “vulnerable” — to Lake Road, Lahore, where it significantly named its headquarters as Masjid Qadisiya, after the historic location where the Arabs had defeated the Iranian king in antiquity, a very sectarian reference in our times. But all this was ignored and allowed to pass under the radar of intelligence. People who got into trouble with Dawa were visited with “official” wrath, and soon everyone accepted the anomaly of Dawa as a part of life.
It is the Chinese “message” that has changed our mind. The Chinese did not veto the banning of Dawa on Wednesday, and they had reportedly told Islamabad as much beforehand, compelling our permanent representative at the UN to assert that Pakistan would accept the ban if it came. One subliminal message was also given to Chief Minister Punjab, Mr Shehbaz Sharif, during his recent visit to China, and the message was that Pakistan had to seek peace with India or face change of policy in Beijing. Once again, it is our friend China whose advice has been well taken; above all, thankfully, by the media, while discussing the Dawa ban on the night of December 11.
There are other things to take care of too. Jaish-e Muhammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar has been placed under house arrest in Bahawalpur. But reports from Bahawalpur for the past five years had consistently said that he was not there but was occasionally seen in Islamabad. That is also true of the chief of Harkatul Mujahideen, Fazlur Rehman Khaleel, who was taken out of his “safe house” and displayed to the media during the Lal Masjid crisis in 2007. But these are patently Al Qaeda hangers-on who can bring more heat on Pakistan in the future.
Pakistan will need to cooperate with the international community in the coming days. The trend among our jihadi outfits so far is not to surrender to bans but to make a beeline for the Kohat Road pockets of terrorism and join the Al Qaeda-Taliban combine to kill our soldiers. Our army discovered all the banned jihadis when it confronted the militants at Darra Adam Khel. If Jaish was let off the hook after it attacked General Musharraf in 2004, it should now be confronted for providing the bulk of suicide-bombers to the Taliban and Al Qaeda.
Last but not least, Pakistan should act not because an “unfair international system” compels it to act; it should act out of conviction. Some commentators are already suggesting the kind of double-faced strategy adopted by Musharraf. It has been exposed as self-damaging and should not be embraced again.
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yeah right CM - even the father of qasab is also an idiot or what, for admitting his son is the terrorist? there's a limit to voluntary blindness
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Islamabad has refused to acknowledge Kasab’s nationality, complaining that India has yet to furnish any evidence.
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Obviously they won't recognize that. Do you see anyone waiting or caring about what they admit? As long as they act, doesn't matter what they don't admit
At this point credibility of Pakistan government is zero, so it doesn’t matter what we say or don’t say. Remember our lies about Kargil? No one is paying attention to official Pakistani government statements because we refuse to be honest with both ourselves and the world.
At this point credibility of Pakistan government is zero, so it doesn't matter what we say or don't say. Remember our lies about Kargil? No one is paying attention to official Pakistani government statements because we refuse to be honest with both ourselves and the world.
exactly. In fact when the Pakistan govt refuses to admit even after Qasab's own family admitted it, it loses even more credibility
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Given all the action government is taking against JamaatudDawa even beofre the UN ban, it is clear that they know something. The issue is that ISI will not let government to come clean. That is why we have this "deny in public" but take action under US threat two faced approach.
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what's more I just cannot believe there could be such a intellectual vacuum in the government military and civil services in Pakistan. Se what has happened - not only has it now been confirmed without a shadow of doubt that India's decade long charges of terrorist camps inside Pakistan are true, that all Pakistan governments either willingly or by coercion by its own intelligence agency, ends up supporting these terrorists....something even worse has happened now.
The fact that the plan was hatched by ISI, given or leaked to LeT; and the fact that the president of Pakistamn is powerless over the military general to the point of the latter publicly revoking the former's decision...these have completely exposed the facade that was beginning to form about a civilian govt in Pakistan
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why can't ISI be made accountable to democratic government? It should be reporting to parliament....
For those who want to live in world of denial and love conspiracy theories, some hindu terrorist is now posing as Kasav's father and family and are giving interview in Pakistan :).. or better the present PM and president of pakistan are actually RAW agents and that's why they are banning these groups; raiding camps on 'threats' and not actual ban by UN...
ab khush..
I think it is high time that ISI should be dismantled, people be directed to other branches of army. Pakistan does not need an organization whose actions are basically against the foundation of the country.
I think it is high time that ISI should be dismantled, people be directed to other branches of army. Pakistan does not need an organization whose actions are basically against the foundation of the country.
There is no need to dismantle ISI, they only need to cut LeT orgs and put them to rest in special areas like jails, no more support for such operations, thats all is needed.
At this point credibility of Pakistan government is zero, so it doesn't matter what we say or don't say. Remember our lies about Kargil? No one is paying attention to official Pakistani government statements because we refuse to be honest with both ourselves and the world.
It is very easy to set credibility, Let a 3rd party or UN establish the identity of this individual by what ever means necessary until then its lot of noise that will disappear from the radar like previous such incidents that happened in India.
It is very easy to set credibility, Let a 3rd party or UN establish the identity of this individual by what ever means necessary until then its lot of noise that will disappear from the radar like previous such incidents that happened in India.
UN has banned JuD for a reason after the mumbai attack.
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there appears to be still some people who believe that the actions of the pakistani government are an admission of guilt. this is not true, its jsut the procedure both past and present regimes have used. it enables them to be available to help if required by delhi and a whole host of other reasons including but not limited to possible indian military attack on the j-u-d leaders.
pakistan is now in a position where it is only waiting for delhi to provide the links to j-u-d that delhi has found, if it has any. after all the allegations through the media since the attacks one would expect this to be a formality but i wouldnt bank on it!
jud leaders to be released soon if no evidence provided
Preventive detention meant confinement of a person to stop him from committing an offence while at the time of detention there was no proof that he had committed a crime, Top police officer hints at JuD leaders’ release
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At a certain point we’ll run out of ways to deny reality.
British PM holds LeT responsible for Mumbai attacks - GEO.tv
British PM holds LeT responsible for Mumbai attacks
Updated at: 1117 PST, Sunday, December 14, 2008
British PM holds LeT responsible for Mumbai attacks NEW DELHI: British Prime Minister, Gordon Brown has said that Lashkar-e-Taiba was responsible for the Mumbai attacks.
British PM held meeting with the Indian Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh here, which focused on resolving regional tension and wiping out terrorism.
Following the meeting, talking to the media, Gordon Brown said that LeT was responsible for the Mumbai attacks and it would have to be replied back. The British prime minister further said that his current visit to India aimed at expressing his sympathy with the Indian people and the government aggrieved by the Mumbai attacks.