Lo jee kar lo gul. This will require Pakistan government to arrest all named persons and shut down all facilities of Jamat-ud-Dawa, which everyone knew was a cover for Lashkar-e-Tayba. This will be under Article VII of UN meaning that automatic sanctions and potential military action for any country that does not obey the ban. Hafiz Saeed can also forget about going to Saudi Arabia where he gets a lot of funding from, because it comes with an automatic visa ban.
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Seriously their is some problem with Pakistan, whole world is crying its only us who is not listening. By the way where was our so-called friend China when security council banning hafiz saeed & jamat-dawa?
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China helped us 3 or 4 times by blocking the ban on Hafiz Saeed and his group. This time the proof was too strong.
In fact, my close relative who was a senior Pak diplomat just emailed me saying that this time also China prevented India, UK and US from putting many ISI officers names on the terrorist list. However, the proof against LeT appears to be overwhelming and even our own goverment could not explain why LeT people were arrested from a Jamaat-Dawa earthquake relief camp?
Let's face it - these groups are known to operate openly inside Pakistan. Our media is too scared of ISI to report about these guys but the world is not going to tolerate such groups especially when we are asking for money by saying we will fight "war on terror." On top of this, these guys deliberately targeted US, UK and Israel citizens and killed people from like a dozen countries.
Outside of Pakistan no one will believe that this was not done by Pakistanis. We have been caught with so many lies and inconsistent and improper bans and arrest and release tactics that our credibility is less than zero. The other day my friend asked me how Pakistan was able to arrest a LeT chief within a day of India and US giving his name but has not arrested him for 5 years after banning the group?
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l-e-t was involved in fighting indian occupation in kashmir. it never engaged in the new exported from israel concept of terrorism (muslims targetting civillians and hurting their own cause.) pakistan throughout the kashmir struggle maintained its policy of moral and diplomatic support for kashmiri mujahadeen.
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Cut the crap vroom. These jihadis are all the same. They claim credit when no civilians are killed but deny responsibility when civilians die. I was a student when Hafiz Saeed came out openly and said that his group killed Indians at the Red Fort in Delhi and planted the flag of Islam there after 150 years. These guys got smart after 9/11 and stopped taking credit outside of Kashmir.
We cannot fool all the people all the time. We can get taaliyaan at the street corner in Gujranwala by blaming it all on Mossad or RAW but in the real world no one is going to ignore the trails leading back to Pakistan. I am not believing everything at face value that all the folks stirring up trouble in India are from Pakistan, however why is the suspicion on Pakistan always? Why is an al Qaeda chieftain found in a Lashkar-e-Taiba man's home? Why is it that folks who went and did all sorts of stuff in London came from Pakistan and were even traced to have trained in Pakistan? Why are 9/11 "masterminds" captured in Rawalpindi and Karachi? So my point is why are we allowing such notoriety to be traced back to Pakistan? Why do we deny that "training camps" exist but within days we claim credit for closing the camps?
If it is comfortable, you can keep the head in the sand. However, I'm glad our government is not doing the same and hope that they end the jihadi menace once and for all. These guys will destroy Pakistan if we let them run free.
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pakistan has no desire to allow groups to plan, train and facilitate attacks on any targets foreign or domestic from its soil. pakistan shouldnt allow this and pakistan, as far its able to, wont allow this
however considering the players involved and circumstances, i expect these issues to be forcefully brought to the fore to the detriment of the pakistani nation. that means we wont get the genuine help we need to curtail activity from pakistani areas
i know the situation and i know the circumstances, my loyalty is staying with pakistan.
Surprising China did not veto. It would be difficult for China as China knows they are also affected by jihadists from Pakistan. Also with China holding military excercises with India, they cant afford to go against India.
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Pakistani awaam might not want the terror in name of Islam, but you can't deny the fact that pakistan is most unstable country and struggling to keep itself as democratic nation since birth.
I think ISI was given too much power that now no one can keep them in order. Best way would be to make ISI accountable directly to democratically elected parliament instead of making it autonomous or linked to army.
It will be good for pakistan if their Judiciary, Army, Intelligence service and Parliament account for general public instead of trying to run country their own. (I named Judiciary, so that politicians can not put pressure on them...)
Its time for pakistani public to demand what a true democracy requires...
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Just like I had mentioned before. Even China will ignore Pakistan if we continue on our current jihadist path.
I don't know what's wrong with ISI that they want to lead us to the path of countries like Afghanistan.
Look brother, their is nothing wrong with ISI , i understand the need for Taliban in the war against USSR but we should get rid of them in the 90's. Now they become a monster, threatening world peace. 30 Years of Jihadi propaganda in which three generations grown up is divided our society. Lets pray for the best, down with terrorists !..
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So if the ISI was such a darling angel, why all the hue and cry? Remember, if you blame the ISI, you cant exclude the master crook and his nephew who was running it in those troubled times.
So if the ISI was such a darling angel, why all the hue and cry? Remember, if you blame the ISI, you cant exclude the master crook and his nephew who was running it in those troubled times.
Your personal hatred for Musharraf is in such deep levels, that its not even possible to discuss with you any thing.. Don't you have anything else to derail the thread all the time?