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Some people wait for these unfortunate events and bring their ideas to either paint the whole society full of sectarian 'hate' or blame religion. This behavior is rightly called playing dirty politics.
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and who was behind blast at Nishter Park? Is it straight away goes to court of religious group. Who was the political beneficiary of killing the leadership of the victimised religious group?
Its very easy to blame religious groups for all the killings in the country and ignore those so called secular forces who play politics on dead bodies. There are areas in Pakistan where people from different sects do live in harmony, until exploited by these political forces for their agenda.
I and most believe that Nishter park blast was done by Khwarjee elements, who are killing sunnis (berelvis) all over Pakistan, and attacked many Milad-ul-Nabi gatherings (what was happening at Nishtar park too).
As for Sunni thareek, their political standing is irrelavant as far as Karachi is concerned. They are neither a threat to any Karachi political party then or now, that any political party would target their leaderships.
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Some people wait for these unfortunate events and bring their ideas to either paint the whole society full of sectarian 'hate' or blame religion. This behavior is rightly called playing dirty politics.
*Nikle Ho Abhi Abhi Maikade Se Tum
Daabe Hue Bagal Me Surahi Sharaab Ki
Huzoor Apne Aap Ko Na Sufi Jataiye
Maloom Hai Hume Haqiqat E Hu Haq Janab Ki.
*
I hope U like it Mohtaram Diwana Saheb. And U should be the first man to raise ur finger towards him who plays dirty politics over killings. Well done Mohtaram.
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poetry in PA 
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This is not the first incident in Karachi where innocent people were killed. There are other reasons also hilighter by Saleem and if those reasons are ignored to blame religion and religious groups, then I'm stood by my words.
I m getting U now.
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I dont think thats its a good idea to generalize all the followers of one sect. I watched Hamid Mir’s Capital Talk yesterday in which Haider Abbas Rizvi told the host that its not a shia-sunni issue pointing towards an imam bargah and a deobandi mosque in front of it. You can watch the program here and the dialog at 20:00:
[video]http://www.zemtv.com/2013/03/06/capital-talk-on-geo-news-abbas-town-6th-march-2013/[/video]
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No one is generalising any one sect or blaming deobandi sect for all the killings. Only thing I am saying is that, Khawarjees who are creating fitna in Pakistan are mostly from deobandi sect and unfortunately no scholares of deobandi sect is comming out to condemn them.
But then, I also mentioned in one of my posts that Khawarjees could come from any sect. These are people who do takfeer and then persecute or kill those on whom they have done takfeer. Obviously, Khawarjees who came out during Ali (RA) time were not Deobandis, as deobandis did not even existed then.
As for deobandi Mosques and Imam Bargah or Berelvi Mosques existing side-by side then that has to happen, as mosques are there since long time exsisting together, whereas apperance of Khawarjees started in big way after 1979 when Zia started patronising and promoting deobandis to do American sponsored Jihad in Afghanistan (where Saudi helped too). So, Khawarjees amongst deobandis (not all deobandis but a group of deobandis becoming Khawarjees) is recent phenomena.
But then I know many deobandis who also hate people who are creating fitna in Pakistan, and best part is that, they find it very disturbing that organisations who are creating fitna are mostly coming from deobandis madrasas and most known deobandi scholars feel reluctant to condemn them.
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In 13 pages, it is interesting that both Shia and Sunni posters from Pakistan have given sensible thoughts but those who like to push their ideas keep going off tract trying to promote shia Sunni divide.
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^^^ Running away from accepting facts, and hiding face in pillow do not help anyone, rather it only let the problem grow without resistance. To say truth and bring the problem in front is good thing to do, as that gives a person knowledge, strength, and need to fight the problem.
I think in your statement … ‘but those who like to push their ideas keep going off tract trying to promote shia-sunni divide’ … seems I am the target 
I am certainly not trying to create shia-sunni divide, but I pointed out the reason for all these shia-killing and pointed out the culprits who are neither Shia nor Sunni … well, they are not even Muslim, as they are ‘Kharij-ul-Islam’ or ‘outside Islam’. I mentioned that they have link with Deobandi sect, and that is true too. I mentioned because it is important for us to know where the fault lies, save ourselves from becoming Khawrijis, and save ourselves from helping, promoting or supporting them.
Even though I believe all on this forum know the truth, many do not like to accept that for whatever reason. So, I am starting a new thread where I am posting an article written by Zaid Hamid on the issue. His article tells a lot about who Khawarjis are in Pakistan, and that they are linked with Deobandi sect.
Please read the article as that would help every Muslim to save themselves from becoming Khawarijis or becoming helper, promoter, and supporter of Khawarijis.
Here is link to the thread:
http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/601028-khawarijees-the-biggest-threat-to-pakistan-and-islam.html
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I almost agreed with Saleem, it's not him who trying to spread sectetian hate he pointing out that how a cult busy in killings every community members and trying to push us all for a huge sectarian war, this is time we condem them in every step even by force for just sake of peaceful Pakistan. In this bomb blast a lot of sunnis were also lost their lives one Ahmdi is also in deads list. No one claim yet coz this time the victims were not only Shias but also Sunni sect and claiming this one by this cult mean get strong anger by sunis also. Still they are failed to put all Pakistan on fire of rleigous hate Coz average of pakistanis from all beliefes and think are peaceful
and want a stable Pakistan. May Aalah save us all from devils hand. Ameen
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I have read your thread Saleem.
Seems like you are living in la la land.
First: I have no idea why you keep bringing something to table which only makes you look like sidelining the real problem and playing the blame game like so many people do.
(Will talk about this when I have time)
Second: You have not done enough research to even know what Khawarjis means. ( Will try to explain in your thread when time permits)
Third: You yourself are a **Takfiri **by its definition. Your red sentence is a clear proof.
Got it?
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What you are saying is true. Almost all the tv channels have done a tv show with the victims of Abbas town and that is the kind of sentiments expressed by the victims themselves and they obviously know the situation on ground since they are in the middle of it all.
Typically though most Pakistani would rather bury their heads in sand than condemn the brutal terrorism that takes place under the cover of the title of ‘Islam’. Shia-Sunni are one and that includes Deobandis too but unfortunately some traitor mullahs due to their greed have sold themselves to devil and the blood of innocent is on their hands.
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I would like you all carefully listen to Syed Yahya Bukhari in this short 2 minute video I am going to post. He is the son of the Imam of India’s central masjid- the Jama Masjid Delhi. Listen to what he indicates the developing situation of hate is in Pakistan.
Sunni-Shia Unity…if it is possible…Sunni Maulana Syed Yahia Bukhari - YouTube
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I have read your thread Saleem.
Seems like you are living in la la land.
First: I have no idea why you keep bringing something to table which only makes you look like sidelining the real problem and playing the blame game like so many people do.
(Will talk about this when I have time)
Second: You have not done enough research to even know what Khawarjis means. ( Will try to explain in your thread when time permits)
Third: You yourself are a **Takfiri **by its definition. Your red sentence is a clear proof.
Got it?
I read all your post. Whatever you are writing shows that, either you are living in denial or are from amongst same group who do takfeer.
As for 3 points you made. Let me answer them one by one:
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First: I have no idea why you keep bringing something to table which only makes you look like sidelining the real problem and playing the blame game like so many people do.
(Will talk about this when I have time)
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Actually, what surprises me is that I am mentioning the real problem as clearly as possible, and not playing blame game, but people like you want to cover up the problem (why, I can only guess).
Actually, it is not only me, but all Pakistan knows that the problem is ‘Khwarjees harming and killing Muslims’, and they also know who the Khwarjees are, but many are keeping quiet … because either they are sympathetic to Khwarjees as they have same beliefs in their heart … or are scared of Khwarjees. Unfortunately, taking advantage of people’s silence, people like you are trying to cover up the reality and do not want people to get reminded that fitna in Pakistan is fitna of Khwarjees.
When betterment of Pakistan is to talk about the reality (as much as possible), know the reality, and tackle the reality head-on, just the way this reality was tackled by Ali (RA) when he fought and killed almost all Khwarjees at battle of Naharwan.
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Second: You have not done enough research to even know what Khawarjis means. ( Will try to explain in your thread when time permits)
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I have done enough research on Khwarjee takfeeries and what they mean. Rather, it is other way round, that is, you are oblivious of the term and should learn, as not knowingly could lead you to join them and become Khwarjee too (be aware that if you would join Khwarjees than your Imaan and Amaal would not help you on judgment day, and end would be in lowest part of hell).
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Third: You yourself are a **Takfiri **by its definition. Your red sentence is a clear proof.
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You made above comment on my following statement:
they are not even Muslim, as they are 'Kharij-ul-Islam' or 'outside Islam'. ]
Have you gone beserk? The above statement I made is for Khwarjees, and obviously Khwarjis are outside the fold of Islam, so I am not doing any takfeer.
Actually, if considering Khwarjees as non-Muslim is sin then it was Ali (RA) who gave them this name and considered them out-side fold of Islam. So, would you say same about Ali (RA) too, that he called them Khwarjees’ (outside Islam) who use to call themselves Muslim and by doing that Ali (RA) became Takfeeri?
Reason to call these people Khwarjees (outside Islam) is obvious, and that is their doing takfeer on Muslims (call Shias Kafir, Sunnis biddati, etc) … and not only that, but they are harming, fighting and killing innocent Muslims, not for enmity, not for politics, not for land, not for money, not for power, not for influence, not for any worldly desires … but **for the religion they believe … the religion that is not Islam but it is ‘Shaitanic religion of Kfur’ **and thus they are Khwarjees.
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Religion has done more harm than good, to Pakistan. Leave it aside, or keep it private atleast, if you want to move forward.
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No one is generalising any one sect or blaming deobandi sect for all the killings. Only thing I am saying is that, Khawarjees who are creating fitna in Pakistan are mostly from deobandi sect and unfortunately no scholares of deobandi sect is comming out to condemn them.
I agree with this part, the deobandi scholars should shun violence vociferously and play their role if they can to bring normalcy in the country.
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In 13 pages, it is interesting that both Shia and Sunni posters from Pakistan have given sensible thoughts but those who like to push their ideas keep going off tract trying to promote shia Sunni divide.
The problem is there, doesnt matter whether we accept it or not. I believe a dialog must be initiated to analyze and solve the issue. Nothing will come out unless we convince ourselves that there's an issue and we need to solve it.
Secondly the people killing Shias are trying to convert this into a Shia Sunni issue, and if its not sorted out then we should prepare ourselves for a civil war which will not be good for any one of us.
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Listen
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/s480x480/72331_511007138957293_1381992843_n.jpg
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^ is he blaming mqm for killing the ulema?
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^ is he blaming mqm for killing the ulema?
Afaq is playing politics on dead bodies, that is all.
I do not know why thread on killing of Ulema in Karachi got blocked, as however more we discuss the issue the better it is for Pakistan. Anyhow, in that thread I also wrote my suspicion as I felt that killing of ‘Deobandi Ulemas’ must be done by MQM in response to the bomb blast by Khwarjees at the gathering MQM held for TUQ.
But to use that incident to blame MQM of all killings, including killing of Shias and Sunnis, that is just trying to cover the true picture and kartoot (horrendous deeds) of Khwarjees. Khwarjees are killing Shias as well as Sunnis not only in Karachi but all over Pakistan, and we cannot ignore that fact, rather, Pakistan has to tackle the problem appropriately.