Re: Twin Blasts rock Karachi
No, one cannot label anyone Khwarjees, because for a group to be Khwarjees, they must be doing takfeer, and then using that takfeer as excuse to harm, terrorise, abuse and kill Muslims.
Since these people causes fitna (Killing and mayhem) due to their beliefs, they should be fought and killed (as far as Islam is concerned).
Crime is not stopping because some people are blind and could not see that a group of Khwarjees are practicing their religion of terrorising and killing Muslims after declaring them ‘Kafir’.
These blind people want to negotiate with Khwarjees not to kill, and that is like, someone wanting to negotiating with Muslims that not to fast and pray salaat. To even think of such negotiation is idiocy, as … A Muslim would never give up … or would never negotiate on 'fasting' and 'praying Salaat (Namaz)'. Same way a Khwarjee would never give up takfeer and then using that as excuse would never give up killing Muslims.
So, solution is only one, and that is, to fight them and send them to Jahannum, so that Muslims these Khwarjees terrorising can live peacefully.
It is very unlikely that security agencies, administration, and law enforcement agencies could tackle such problem where a group considers their religious duty to kill after doing takfeer.
You are right, that is, doing ‘takfeer’ alone does not make a person ‘Khwarjee’ but makes a person ‘Takfeeri’ and Takeeries are sinner … as good as ‘Kafir’ but still, not Khwarjees, and thus there is no jihad against them (because they are not harming anyone physically). Their judgement is in the hands of Allah on judgment day.
Anyhow, Khwarjees are those who do takfeer and uses that takfeer as excuse to harm, terrorise and kill Muslims. These people are not only ‘out of Islam’ but Muslims should fight and kill them too, as if they would not do that, then these Khwajees would keep killing them (Muslims).
Here you are showing dishonesty. Everyone knows who are using sophisticated high explosives materials to attack and kill Muslims, as they are Khwarjees who proudly accept their killings too, as what they do (Kill innocent Muslims), they do that as part of their religious duty (Just like Muslims would fast in Ramadhan or do their daily Salaat).
Right … as far as I know, Khwarjee means: those who left Islam (thrown out or went out does not matter).
You are partly right. Most Omanis are Ibadis (a Islamic sect). As far as I know, Ibadis are neither Takfeeries nor Khwarjees. The only similarity with Khwarjees and Ibadis is that, Ibadis accept some of the Islamic interpretations of Khwarjees as correct, what other Muslims sects do not consider correct. That is all.
Again either you are showing dishonesty or misquoting what I ever wrote.
I did not call anyone Kafir who is Muslim.** I only called people ‘Khwarjees’ who do takfeer and use that takfeer as excuse to kill Muslims **… and I believe that Muslims should do same with present day Khwarjees what Ali (RA) did with Khwarjees of his time, that is, wage Jihad against them and send them to Jahannum.
You know what? It is belief of Ibadis that Ali (RA) should not have killed Khwarjees (as Ibadis consider them Muslims). It seems your belief is same as Ibadis, that is, Ali (RA) should not have killed Khwarjees … nor you want present day Muslims to wage jihad against Khwarjees … as probably you consider Khwarjees are Muslims what Ibadis do (I do not know).
With utmost humbleness, I disagree with many of your points.
You are connecting those idiots who call others kaafir to mass killings which needs to be proved.
A fake mullah calls other Kaafir does not mean that fake Mullah is asking innocent people to be killed. Those are simply people who are religiously misguided andthink they are the best of all.
Unless criminals are caught and tried openly, it is not wise to keep speculating.
I am not going to keep talking about Khwarjis. But those were political more than religious issues for which war was waged. Those people did not only have problems with Hazrat Ali RA, they also had issues with Hazrat Usman RA . Ibadis are from that lineage.
Khwarjis did not leave Islam according to them. They just fought against Khalifas who were followed by majority Muslims of that time, based on "their interpretation of Islam". Subtle but big difference. Even today they consider themselves Muslims.
I will just point out third time what you wrote in red. Very similar to what takfiris do and justify killings.
Please think again.
Lastly, it is absolutely the responsibility of Govt. to find out and catch criminals regardless of who they are and people should focus on that, rather than blaming one group or other among themselves, associating them to Khwarjis etc. without knowing the real culprits.... and promoting more hatred.