Twenty 20 in Pakistan, Come On Guys Pick a Team and Support Our Domestic Cricket

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@Saby

^ Umpiring was alright but refereeing was controversial (or as Sialkot team claims) as they lost a match which they actually won.

Well Saby pa ji i saw the match and there was a very controversial decision regarding LBW appeal against Salman Butt … even the Comms said that he was Plumb … yet the Umpire walked away even before the Bowler (i think it was Rana) had started his Appeal … Actually what u saw on TV suggested that The Umpire was never in any mood to stay in his position to judge it … and then of course the controversy at the end and i can understand Malik’s reaction and action … Only he should have keep quiet … but then he gave also the reason why he openly admitted it when he said he has only to answer to Allah te almighty …

Now how the heck does Lahore succeed here to go into the next round and what’s the fault of the Zebra’s when Malik took all the responsibility for the action … one seriously has to suspect about Lahore’s APPROACH

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@smooth_guy

fguru, unfortunately what ur saying is right. this whole lahore episode is killing the atmosphere. the organizers got slapped on their face with this chaos. they can shove this whole tourney in their behind now. I hope the teams in the final concead the matches against Eagles. So organzier’s darling lift the cup and be happy.

This is the ugly side of Pakistan cricket. Favouritism.

Malik, Stallion, Zebras and Organziers…all screw up in this situation.

Yeah man, tournament was going on fine…ppl were getting involved, viewership was increasing and after a very long time ppl were interested in good cricket and cricket only. Now this happens. Like one of the Karachi guys said at the presentation ceremony (KHI Dolphin), matches between Lahore and Karachi are like matches between India and Pakistan. What does that tell us, things are all not that rosy as they seem and it gets a bang of a confirmation with this ugly episode of clear cut bias. Pathetic.

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@fartguru

Yeah man, tournament was going on fine…ppl were getting involved, viewership was increasing and after a very long time ppl were interested in good cricket and cricket only. Now this happens. Like one of the Karachi guys said at the presentation ceremony (KHI Dolphin), matches between Lahore and Karachi are like matches between India and Pakistan. What does that tell us, things are all not that rosy as they seem and it gets a bang of a confirmation with this ugly episode of clear cut bias. Pathetic.

It’s a shame if Karachi/Lahore matches are like India/Pakistan because the players from both cities get along just fine when in the national team.

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@brahmachari99

Are you forgetting that BOTH Sialkot AND Lahore were awarded 12 runs because the opposition didn’t finish their overs in the given time? Where’s the favoritism in that?

Read carefully. Malik is stating that Lahore were awarded the 12 runs even when they had finished bowling on time. Malik is not an idiot and knows the rules and how they were violated. Once again, read carefully into why Malik has done this.

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exactly if you liston to the interview , he has clearly mentioned that ASKED the umpire and the umpire told him that they were on time .....so really it was a protest against umpiring....he is still very young and i guess got caought in the heat .... lets give him a break and lets not bash him any more ...

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@brahmachari99

It’s a shame if Karachi/Lahore matches are like India/Pakistan because the players from both cities get along just fine when in the national team.

When in the national team, yes. I remember karachi teams travelling to lahore and Lahore tams travelling to Karachi, they always had serious problems regarding prejuidices. It happens between two of the largest cities, competition is good, but when it gets tainted with charges of parochialism and favoritism then its not cricket. Thats why Iam so upset with malik that his single act has opened a pandora’s box domestically and probably internationally…

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@the game

Read carefully. Malik is stating that Lahore were awarded the 12 runs even when they had finished bowling on time. Malik is not an idiot and knows the rules and how they were violated. Once again, read carefully into why Malik has done this.

Bhai, Malik like any other player is not above the game or its ethics. When Pakistan played WI under Akram they had won the test match and series had it not been for the blatant umpiring decisions which did not give a huge bat-pad decision against Walsh. That would have been the first ever test series victory for Pakistan. None of the boys misbehaved or showed any resentment, cause they are professionals. And if Malik after playing 100+ ODI hasnt learnt such basic ideas then God help him.

[Zero_one]

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@fartguru

When in the national team, yes. I remember karachi teams travelling to lahore and Lahore tams travelling to Karachi, they always had serious problems regarding prejuidices. It happens between two of the largest cities, competition is good, but when it gets tainted with charges of parochialism and favoritism then its not cricket. Thats why Iam so upset with malik that his single act has opened a pandora’s box domestically and probably internationally…

so then i think we shall ask Steve Bucknor and David Shephard to officiate our Domestic season … Damn ppl it’s a mess PCB is actually responsible for … why don’t they have more Umpire like Aleem Dar who r consistant and not the likes of Nadeem Ghauri ( anybody remembers when he gave Inzi out to a Leggie or was it an Offie from Sachin even though he was 1/2 foot outside the stumps … just to mention one of his blunders ) … inconsistant+biased Umpiring brings action like that

Malik’s anger and thus his action is understandable + he took full advantage of the TV-Coverage … coz this brings the PCB into a situation to take also action against it’s own crated messes … and that’ll be also the reason why only a Rs. 10000.- fine is handed out and no more action will be taken …

[Zero_one]

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@fartguru

Bhai, Malik like any other player is not above the game or its ethics. When Pakistan played WI under Akram they had won the test match and series had it not been for the blatant umpiring decisions which did not give a huge bat-pad decision against Walsh. That would have been the first ever test series victory for Pakistan. None of the boys misbehaved or showed any resentment, cause they are professionals. And if Malik after playing 100+ ODI hasnt learnt such basic ideas then God help him.

yaar u still don’t get it do u ?

I know the match u r talking about and i saw it … here Malik or his Team constantly asked the Umpire whether they were in-time or not and every time they got an answer “yes u r” and a at the end everyone (even the Comms thought so and were very surprised) was very surprised about the anounced result … i think the most experienced crickters were sitting in the Comms-cabin and they couldn’t figure out according to which rule/calculation Sialkot lost this game … And i’m talking about Rameez, Manjrekar, Waqar and Chishti

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err i can’t believe malik did such a thing why he has to be stupid cuz of a stupid decision

No wonder rana didn’t play

[the_game]

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@Zero_one

yaar u still don’t get it do u ?

I know the match u r talking about and i saw it … here Malik or his Team constantly asked the Umpire whether they were in-time or not and every time they got an answer “yes u r” and a at the end everyone (even the Comms thought so and were very surprised) was very surprised about the anounced result … i think the most experienced crickters were sitting in the Comms-cabin and they couldn’t figure out according to which rule/calculation Sialkot lost this game … And i’m talking about Rameez, Manjrekar, Waqar and Chishti

Fartguru, do you play for the Lahore Eagles by any chance ? Try to look at Shoaib’s viewpoint too. The whole of domestic cricket in Pakistan is corrupted. This is just one example and he is trying to take a stand. I personally would want such a captain instead of some pansy who can’t stand for his players. Although I do think that this incident would significantly reduce his chances of becoming a captain of the Pakistan side in the future.

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so wat if malik intentionally lost this match?
wats the big deal? didnt the australia try to pull a similar trick in the 99 world cup as newzealands expense or the other way around???
this is actually a good thing makes the cricket that more competitive and we are seeing the begining of a real rivalry. if only the marketing people jump at this. man imagine the amount of money/interest can be made of a stallion and eagles match in the future.
this is for the best and its good to know players like malik feel so passionatly about a domestic game.

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@brahmachari99

It’s a shame if Karachi/Lahore matches are like India/Pakistan because the players from both cities get along just fine when in the national team.

india and pakistani players get very well off the field as well there is nothing like a healthy sporting rivalry thats all we need for our domestic cricket

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In a comedy of errors the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) on Thursday kicked Karachi Zebras out of the Twenty20 Cup and decided that Lahore Eagles, who were eliminated from the tournament because of foul play by Sialkot Stallions, should instead take their (Karachi’s) place in the next phase of the event.

It hardly took half an hour for the Board officials to reach this debatable verdict where the Karachi side has been penalised for no fault while the Lahore Eagles play in the next round although their match against Multan earlier yesterday deserved to be inquired for more foul play.

It was announced by the Board that an inquiry committee headed by Zakir Khan had been set up to investigate into the incident where Sialkot Stallions led by Test allrounder Shoaib Malik had deliberately not gone for a win against Karachi Zebras in the match Thursday night.

Malik admitted he had done this to ensure Lahore Eagles didn’t qualify for the next round as he had his reservations over the manner in which they had been awarded a win over his team two days back.

Interestingly, when the Karachi City Cricket Association (KCCA) Secretary Sirajul Islam Bukhari spoke to Shaharyar Khan on phone to protest over this decision (elimination of the Karachi team from the tournament), he was told that he (Shaharyar) didn’t know who had set up the inquiry committee.

A fuming Bukhari said that the Board officials had done gross injustice to the Karachi side who were not at fault even if Malik and Sialkot had thrown the match against them on Thursday.

"What is the fault of our team? The Board should ban or do whatever they want with Malik but why penalise us. We played wholeheartedly to win the match and who can say that perhaps Sialkot also lost because our bowlers bowled well in the final overs," Bukhari questioned.

Unfortunately he said when there was ad-hocism in the Board, such injustices were common and Karachi cricketers were as usual made to suffer because of the biased behaviour of some of the PCB officials.

Karachi Zebras manager Rashid Khan said he was disappointed with the Board’s decision, saying, "Our boys are shattered why should they suffer when they did nothing wrong."

What is comic about the whole situation is that the Board set up an inquiry committee in just half an hour after the Karachi-Sialkot match ended despite the fact that there is a proper disciplinary committee in place in the Board that should be handling this matter.

Even few months back Shaharyar had done the same thing and placed a six-month ban on former Pakistan captain Rashid Latif and then told him he could appeal to the disciplinary committee.

An angry senior Karachi player felt that the PCB should first inquire into the result of the Lahore Eagles-Multan game played earlier in the day when he claimed Multan bowlers sent down some 33 extras including 21 no balls with each no ball giving the Lahore team two runs which went a long way in boosting their total and run-rate.

"Even the TV commentator Sanjay Manjrekar mentioned that he was surprised with what was happening in match. Malik’s action today was clearly dictated by what had happened during Sialkot’s game against Lahore and when Lahore played Multan today," he said.

BOTTOM LINE : LAHORIS CHEAT BIG TIME

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In an interesting twist to the Shoaib Malik saga Thursday night, it has now transpired that if Sialkot Stallions had won the match against Karachi Zebras, they would’ve qualified for the triangular phase of the Twenty20 Cup ahead of Lahore Eagles.

Malik Thursday night refused to complete a comfortable win over Karachi Zebras under the impression that if Sialkot won Lahore Eagles would qualify for the next phase on better run-rate although both teams would’ve finished on four points each in the group.

But after working out the run-rate of the Sialkot, Lahore and Karachi teams in the group, it has become known that Sialkot Stallions from the outset enjoyed a better run-rate over Lahore and Karachi.

And even after Lahore Eagles beat Multan earlier in the day on Thursday, their run-date remained 0.450 —behind Sialkot’s 1.633.

And after the Sialkot-Karachi match, Sialkot still enjoyed a superior run-rate over the two other teams and they would’ve qualified for the next phase by better run-rate even though they would’ve tried with Lahore on four points each.

Clear indications are that Malik, despite being a Pakistan team’s player, neither bothered to read the qualification rules of the tournament nor was he briefed about it by anyone else.

Because he indicated that he was under the impression that if Sialkot had won, Lahore would’ve qualified also —on the basis that they beat Sialkot in their group match.

But the qualification rules state: Position of teams in the table is determined by – total points, won, lost (fewest). Net run rate (runs per over scored less runs per over conceded, adjusting team batting first to overs of team batting second in rain rule matches, adjusting to team’s full allocation if all out, and ignoring no result matches)

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The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has taken serious notice of Pakistan allrounder Shoaib Malik who admitted Thursday night that he had deliberately not pushed for a win against Karachi Zebras in the Twenty20 Cup match while captaining the Sialkot Stallions at the Gaddafi Stadium Lahore.

"It’s a serious matter and definitely not a good advertisement for Pakistan cricket. I’ve spoken to the chairman about it and he has also taken serious notice of it. We’ll wait for the report from the match referee Rizwan Khatib and then decide if the matter should be refereed to the disciplinary committee of the Board," PCB Director Cricket Affairs Saleem Altaf told ‘The News’ after the match.

With Malik batting, Sialkot didn’t bother to chase an easy target of 20 runs in the last three overs and lost by four runs to Karachi Zebras —enabling them to qualify for the triangular segment of the tournament ahead of Lahore Eagles.

The Pakistan allrounder, when asked about why Sialkot had not chased the easy target, accepted he was unhappy with an incident that occurred during the Sialkot Stallions-Lahore Eagles match two days back when the match referee Anwar Khan awarded the game to Lahore in controversial circumstances while giving them 12 penalty runs for allegedly slow over-rate from the Sialkot team.

Malik didn’t deny the fact to commentator Rameez Raja that his team had not chased the target, as they wanted to pay back Lahore Eagles in the same coin.

But Altaf said even if there had been some injustice against Sialkot earlier in the tournament, there was a proper channel for Malik to bring the matter to the notice of the PCB. "There is no justification for what happened today. We've reports that some people even left the stadium in disgust; more importantly Malik is a Pakistan (team) player and seen as a future captain of the national side; how can one expect such behaviour from him? He is not sending the right message," Altaf said.

The PCB official said if the matter was referred to the Board's disciplinary committee then obviously the chief selector Wasim Bari would have to be informed about it and the Board would then have to see if Malik should be allowed to proceed to Abu Dhabi on Sunday to play the exhibition games with the Pakistan Masters side.

Asked if this incident could also affect Malik's tour of the West Indies, Altaf said it was premature to comment on this. "There is a set procedure to deal with any act of indiscipline and this would be followed by the Board," he added.

Match referee Rizwan Khatib after the match on Thursday night fined Malik Rs 5000 for his behaviour.

Malik, when contacted, refused to say much but insisted great injustice had been done to his team by the Lahore Eagles and this should've been noticed by the authorities.

According to the details, during the Sialkot-Lahore game (two days back) Malik's team scored 198 while batting first and were then had another 12 penalty runs added to their total because of Lahore falling two overs short of the over-rate.

When Lahore batted, sources said Malik kept on asking the umpires if his team's over-rate was all right.

"Even after the match ended with Lahore totalling 203 runs seven runs short of the Sialkot total, Malik asked the umpires and the scorer and they said Sialkot's over-rate was fine," a source said and added, "However the Lahore Eagles' manager then spoke to the match referee Anwar Khan and later announced that Sialkot had fallen two overs short of the over-rate, thus 12 penalty runs had been given to Lahore whose total increased to 215 and they won the match."

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In a strange move by a Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) ‘inquiry committee’, Lahore Eagles were ‘declared’ as the leaders of the Group B points table, of the inaugural ABN-AMRO Twenty20 Cup Cricket Tournament, in Lahore on Thursday, even after Karachi Zebras had won two straight matches and ended up with a far superior net run-rate as compared to the Lahore team which collected the same number of points as the Zebras.

In a late-evening development yesterday, when it was revealed that Sialkot Stallions had actually ‘thrown away’ their match against Karachi Zebras — believing that even a win would put them out of the race for qualification to the triangular stage (see related strory by Waheed Khan in the Sports Pages today), the inquiry committee decided that Lahore Eagles had topped the Group B table.

Although the rules and regulations don’t say anything about head-to-head results in case of a tie on points, Karachi Zebras should have qualified any way because they had beaten Lahore Eagles when the two had met on Wednesday night. Moreover, they were ahead on the basis of the net run-rate.

The situation that will confront the teams today (Friday) in the triangular stage will be quite curious. Karachi Dolphins have qualified from Group A by virtue of heading the points table. Lahore Eagles have moved forward from Group B in spite of having finished second.

The situation in Group C was not clear when we went to press with today’s sports pages. The Faisalabad Wolves versus Rawalpindi Rams match, which started at the Gaddafi Stadium on Thursday night at 8.30, was still in progress. Whichever team wins will make the triangular stage.

An added attraction today will be the first appearance of hard-hitting all-rounder Shahid Afridi in the tournament today. He will turn out in Karachi Dolphins colours and will hopefully play in both matches before the competition’s final at the Gaddafi Stadium tomorrow (Saturday).

The three matches for today (Friday) are, all to be played at the Gaddafi Stadium in Lahore: Winners of Group A v winners of Group B (umpires Aleem Dar and Saleem Badar, TV umpire Mian Aslam, match referee Khatib Rizwan, official scorer Abdul Hameed), B v C (Asad Rauf and Riazuddin, Mian Aslam, Taslim Arif, Abdul Hameed) and A v C (Afzaal Ahmed and Nadeem Ghauri, Mian Aslam, Khatib Rizwan, Abdul Hameed).

The two top teams of the triangular stage will go straight into the final, which is being played at the Gaddafi Stadium on Saturday. The match will start at 7.00 pm and is to continue under floodlights.

GO DOLPHINS AFRIDI IS IN THE HOUSE

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Shoaib Malik has been fined Rs 10,000 for throwing the ABN AMRO Twenty20 Cup match to Karachi Zebras at the Gaddafi Stadium here on Thursday. Shoaib had admitted after the match that he deliberately gave the match to the Zebras. Soon after the match the match referee Khatib Rizwan called up Shoaib Malik and slapped the penalty on him. Shoaib Malik, later admitted his mistake and asserted that he didn’t do it deliberately. "It was just heat of the moment and I apologize to the people over my act," he said.

Twenty20 Cup Points Table

Group A P W L NR Pts NRR

Karachi Dolphins 3 2 - 1 5 +1.579

Lahore Lions 3 1 1 1 3 +1.585

Peshawar Panthers 3 - 1 2 2 -2.200

Hyderabad Hawks 3 - 1 2 2 -3.530

Group B

Karachi Zebras 3 2 1 - 4 +0.284

Lahore Eagles 3 2 1 - 4 -0.450

Sialkot Stallions 3 1 2 - 2 +0.968

Multan Tigers 3 1 2 - 2 -0.616

Group C

Faisalabad Wolves 1 1 - - 2 +7.782

Rawalpindi Rams 1 1 - - 2 +4.800

Quetta Bears 2 - 2 - 0 -5.692

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There is Abosolutely nothing wrong with what Shaoib did. It teaches the PCB a lesten for all their stupidity and sheer incompitence. If the umpires are going to cheat to stop Sialkot from winning than Shoiab did whatever he thought was best to stop the umpires from gaining their objective (i.e. getting Lahore to the next round)

[the_game]

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The most hilarious thing is, even Shoaib Malik doing this couldn't stop the officials to let Lahore through to the next round! Long live the corrupt PCB.