That makes perfect sense. If someone hates Muslims for any reason, it doesn’t matter what cloak they put on themselves, their reality comes out pretty quick.
Let me state again. Instated ALL religions need reform. Including Islam.
You brought up the point that this stance of mine aligns with conservatives in the US.
I pointed out right wingers anywhere put down the other religion and promote their own.
when your statement was countered with logic and truth, you had two options:
- acknowledge and accept the validity of the counter argument
- or resort to ad hominems such is if someone hates Muslims for any reason…
Furthermore, do point out to me an example of an RSS Hindu fanatic who would state - All religions need reform. No, you won’t find one. For him, Hinduism is perfect, and Islam or any other religion needs reform.
Give me an example of any Muslim who states ALL religions need reform, including Islam. You can bet that person would NOT be a conservative. A conservative Muslim will not concede there is any flaw in Islam.
I have no interest in demonstrating to you that I do not hate Muslims. I made my case. Those who have an agenda will choose not to see it.
I go by issue by issue basis and I’ve found you to have deep seated hatred for Muslims. Your criticism of other religions is only deception.
Wow! Ok then.
On another topic re going issue by issue, pick any issue, and the liberal position is the correct one.
Those who call themselves “Independents” in the US do speak along your lines. They don’t want to label themselves. But when you dig deeper, you find they are conservatives hiding their conservative bent. To use your words, it doesn’t matter what cloak they put on themselves, their reality comes out quick.
As for my hatred of Muslims, you will not find a single comment from me in this site that reflects that. Have I spoken out against minority treatment? Absolutely? Have I spoken out against homophobia? Absolutely. Have I stated the Quran needs modification to enter modern times? Absolutely. Have I stated vast majority of Muslims consider Quran perfect and I disagree with them. Yes. Have I stated vast majority of Muslims justify violence if someone insults their prophet. Yes. And you yourself justified violence on this issue!
So yes, Islam needs reform. Probably more than any other religion today. Is that a hateful statement? Only to those who are myopic and cannot see past their own religion.
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Comparing a human made religion worshiping self-made idols with a divine religion? OK
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If you put it that way, I am comparing human made religions, period. Muslims worship a black stone in Mecca, if you want to go there!
And yes, Hinduism philosophy, to me, is superior to the fear that dominates Abrahamic religion.
Aaa gaye Na Auqat par?
Finally. The cat is coming out of the bag.
"My God and my religion is better than any other religion, but ALL religions need reform". This is called deception to the core.
Hindu terrorism supporters and silent on Hindus committing crimes against humanity are wicked and treacherous.
Muslims do not worship the black stone or Hajre-e-Aswad, in Mecca. The black stone came down from Paradise by the will of Allah and has many blessings. The kissing and hand gestures toward it are not to worship it.
Ha..OK! OK! Sht people say when they have no knowledge. Educate yourself. Its never too late.
As far as hindu religion is concerned., since you insist. The whole concept is garbage. Abort it
Dude, you on a Muslim site telling majority Muslims here that Hinduism philosophy is superior to Abrahamic religions?
Carry on
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Ha..OK! OK! Sht people say when they have no knowledge. Educate yourself. Its never too late.
As far as hindu religion is concerned., since you insist. The whole concept is garbage. Abort it
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You see, I don’t call any religion garbage, I simply state all religions need reform. In the name of religion, you have used sh!t, and called another religion garbage. Maybe your parents raised you this way. Maybe your religion taught you to disrespect other religions. Or maybe it is all you. I couldn’t care less.
Aukaat tho tumne dikhaya hai. If you take parts of various posts and stitch them together, without looking at what posts the person was responding to, then of course you will,draw the conclusions you have already arrived it. A classic troll that you are, I didn’t expect anything else from you.
Now can you lend me a wink?
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Dude, you on a Muslim site telling majority Muslims here that Hinduism philosophy is superior to Abrahamic religions?
Carry on
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Did you bother to check which post I was responding to? Here is is from humming bird
”Comparing a human made religion worshiping self-made idols with a divine religion? OK”
Do you take exception to the humming bird post? Or is it just my response that bothers you?
Don’t answer that, just go dude yourself
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Dude, you on a Muslim site telling majority Muslims here that Hinduism philosophy is superior to Abrahamic religions?
Carry on
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And here is another gem from humming bird, calling Hinduism garbage. And it was right before your post! Surely you couldn’t have missed it. Is this what Islam has taught you? If humming bird, you and diwana represent what Islam stands for, …I won’t finish the sentence, because I don’t like to call any religion garbage.
But yes, go dude yourself.
”Ha..OK! OK! Sht people say when they have no knowledge. Educate yourself. Its never too late.”
As far as hindu religion is concerned., since you insist. The whole concept is garbage. Abort it”
It is really ironic, I have stated ALL religions need reform. And in response to someone insulting Hinduism - man made while calling Islam divine, I simply stated Hinduism philosophy is superior. Didn’t insult Islam. But several,posters have made me the hater, the bigot.
I challenge humming bird, diwana and Sheeda to state what I stated - all religions need reform. This statement is honest, not hateful.
All you folks can say is your religion is the best, and Hinduism sucks.
Clearly, you folks live in a bubble. Where you think it is okay to insult other religions while elevating your religion to divine status. I know several good Muslims in this site who would not stoop to your level. And I know several good Muslims personally who would not behave this way.
Sharam aani chahiye tum logon ko. Dhikkar hai aisi upbringing pe.
Ram, Rahim, Allah, Buddha, Jesus, Mahabura, Rab - all these are simply a path to spirituality and becoming a better person. Learn to respect all faiths. Learn to respect atheists. Give respect. And you will get respect.
Hope after offering prayers in a building that was originally built by Christians to be used as a cathedral in a city already riddled with buildings built by Muslims to be used as Masjids, Erodogan could finally sleep well free of any guilt from sending thousands of Muslim Uighers back to China to be prosecuted for the sole crime of being Muslims.
Strange world we are living in.
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I just read the five pillars of Islam. I didn’t see disparaging another religion being one of the pillars. Some folks are bent out of shape I stated Muslims worship a black stone in Mecca. The irony was lost on them that my post was in response to humming bird mocking idol worship in Hinduism.
I actually get that Muslims do not worship the black stone. Per their belief, the stone landed fro heaven and was first kissed by their leader. And Muslims kiss it as mark of respect - I may have some technical details wrong so forgive me. I think I got the just.
I don’t see anything wrong in this, And Inwont mock this practice.
Humming bird and the rest who mock idol,worship in Hinduism, apply the same standard as above. And don’t mock what you don’t understand. I personally think any form of worship is up to the individual. Native Americans worshipped nature. And that is OK. If someone worships an idol, that is ok too.
Let us see if Hindus do worship idols as god. Answer is complex. They worship deities- manifestation of god. Does it matter? I don’t think so. To each his or her own.
Now let us come to the point of why I prefer philosophy of Santana Dharma over Islam (and Abrahamic religion). Santa Ana Dharma teaches you to imbibe knowledge from anywhere. I went to my aunts house years back. She had Jesus among with other deities. She said it is natural for her to respect all religions. She said Jesus was a good person, so he belonged in her temple. Now that is spirituality.
Hinduism teaches you about oneness of Atman and paramatman. It teaches you about Dharma, your duty. It teaches you about Karma - your actions will come back to bite you in the rear end or reward you based on whether you did good or bad. Do good, and you will get good. Do bad, and you will get it back with interest.
Do your Dharma. If your dharma is to farm, do that with passion and be the best farmer you can be.
Do I really think Rama, Krishna etc were avatars of God? No. Are there beautiful lessons one can learn fromRamayana and Mahabharata? A resounding yes.
Do I think all religions are man made@? Yes.
Including Islam? Yes.
Now, do I think all religions need reform?
Yes. As man evolves, religions must adapt and reform.
Jesus said if you live in glass house don’t throw stones. Or something to the effect. That is he who has not sinned shall cast the first stone.
I get this from several folks here - you don’t understand the Quran. It is perfect.
Maybe so. By same token, don’t attack and disparage something you don’t understand.
You are welcome.
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My first impression after reading all the garbage above is:
Buddha Sathiya Gaya Hai.
Which part you missed that the place was registered as a Masjid hundreds of years ago (in 1453) regardless for what purpose it was built? Ataturk changed it’s status in 1934. If Ataturk could changed it, Edorgan can as well through voting.
About your second comment, it still not certain if people are being sent back despite news all over. Turkey’s officials have said they are following international and human rights guidelines as well.
So far it’s debatable or questionable.
Lost the argument so start talking about my parents? OK!
Do you do everything what your parents taught you?
Do you do everything what your religion taught you?
Answer both in yes then i’ll give you my answer.
And btw clearly liar liar pants on fire, you said you care less? You spent rest of the three posts I just read only talking about my post. Thats what you call caring less? OK!
Not sure if you have stopped or still crying but you didnt pay attention to my post despite “not caring less” and quoting in multiple posts.
The three words were important: “Since you insist”
Read again. Very important.
You been insisting to bring reforms in Islam a divine religion.
Chalo man lia. But then you agree to my suggestion as well. Right?
Step 1: Since hindus and religion is garbage, hindus abort that completely.
Once done,
Step 2: Muslims bring reform in Islam.
Win-Win
And if you cant do step 1, never ever think about talking step 2.