^ in view of the quotations above, it is evident that during the Prophet's time, three utterances of divorce in one breath were treated as one utterance hence that was sunnah.
Umar changed that ie sunnah according to his time's needs and circumstances.
Can you post where the prophet SAW 'banned' three talaq in one sitting to the point that three talaq in one setting is considered one?
I hope you have read hadiths on three talaqs considered final if given in sound mind and judgment.
I know these are hadiths and some may not agree with them.
The topic is complex and it also has to do with which fiqah or sect you follow.
Basically the matter is between the couple and Allah at the end.
Everyone has to search the specific situation and ask whoever they believe to be knowledgeable scholar.
Can you post where the prophet SAW 'banned' three talaq in one sitting to the point that three talaq in one setting is considered one?
The prophet reported to have said; “Whoever innovates anything in this matter of ours (i.e., Islam), that is not part of it will have it rejected.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, no. 2697; al-Fath, 5/355). *And the prophet is reported to have said*; "…Beware of matters newly begun, for every matter newly begun is innovation, every innovation is misguidance, and every misguidance is in hell."
*And since it is a Bidah to pronounce triple talaq in one sitting, one can not argue that triple talaq would be counted as divorcing the women three times. If we count the same so, it would mean we are giving validity for a Bidah act which is wrong. Simple.
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In his book : **“The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam”, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states:
**“The Muslim is allowed three chances, that is to say, three pronouncements or acts of divorce on three different occasions provided that each divorce is pronounced during the time when the wife is in the period of purity and he has had no intercourse with her.
Those Muslims who utter three divorce pronouncements at one time or in one statement are rebels against Allah’s law and are deviating from the straight path of Islam. *Once the Prophet *(peace and blessings be upon him) was informed about a man who had pronounced three divorces at one time, he got up in anger, saying: *“Is sport being made of the Book of Allah while I am (yet) among you?” *(Reported by an-Nasa’i)”
ALSO:
Mahmood bin Lubayd (ra) narrates that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) was informed that a man divorced his wife with three pronoucments all-together, at this (The Prophet) became very angry, he stood up and said: Is the book of Allah being mocked at in my presence? Until one person stood and said O Allah’s Apostle should I not kill him? [Sunnan Nasai’i, Volume No. 2, Page No. 181]
The Chain is Authentic *but Ibne Katheer said there is Inqitah *(Discontinuity),
[Commentary of Ibne Kathir Under 2:229],
*But Ibne Kathir Himself said regarding this hadeeth in another place *"Narrated by Nisai with good and powerful chain" [Irshad al Faqeeh Vol 2 page 194]
Lastly, there are matters which the Quran does not explain explicitly and for those we need to turn to hadith etc for further guidance. When the Quran has been VERY explicit in the matter of divorce, it stands to reason that we follow what is clearly written in it:
The Criteria of Divorce in Qur'an:
**[002:228] **And divorced women shall wait (as regards their marriage) for three menstrual periods, and it is not lawful for them to conceal what Allah has created in their wombs, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
*[002:229] **The divorce is twice, after that, either you retain her on reasonable terms or release her with kindness. And it is not lawful for you (men) to take back (from your wives) any of your Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) which you have given them, except when both parties fear that they would be unable to keep the limits ordained by Allah (e.g. to deal with each other on a fair basis). Then if you fear that they would not be able to keep the limits ordained by Allah, then there is no sin on either of them if she gives back (the Mahr or a part of it) for her Al-Khul (divorce). These are the limits ordained by Allah, so do not transgress them. And whoever transgresses the limits ordained by Allah, then such are the Zalimoon (wrong-doers, etc.).
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This ayah clearly states that divorce time is** three menstrual periods not **three seconds
For your sake I have posted what you have asked for and supplemented my argument. Please answer my question now.
Thanks
Can you post where the prophet SAW 'banned' three talaq in one sitting to the point that three talaq in one setting is considered one?
I hope you have read hadiths on three talaqs considered final if given in sound mind and judgment.
I know these are hadiths and some may not agree with them.
The topic is complex and it also has to do with which fiqah or sect you follow.
Basically the matter is between the couple and Allah at the end.
Everyone has to search the specific situation and ask whoever they believe to be knowledgeable scholar.
In his book : **“The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam”, Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi states:
**“The Muslim is allowed three chances, that is to say, three pronouncements or acts of divorce on three different occasions provided that each divorce is pronounced during the time when the wife is in the period of purity and he has had no intercourse with her.
Those Muslims who utter three divorce pronouncements at one time or in one statement are rebels against Allah’s law and are deviating from the straight path of Islam. *Once the Prophet *(peace and blessings be upon him) was informed about a man who had pronounced three divorces at one time, he got up in anger, saying: *“Is sport being made of the Book of Allah while I am (yet) among you?” *(Reported by an-Nasa’i)”
Why would the prophet SAW be angry if he SAW considered three as one?
The point here is that yes, it is not considered good (bidah) or something to be angered upon and a sinful act, BUT, the three talaq in one settings have been considered valid. Arguments in this favor are presented by those who believe in three talaq as three and then quote other hadiths where the prophet SAW admonished but did not say three should be considered as one.
In one hadith he SAW asked the man to sear that his intention was one and the prophet SAW asked him to swear on it. He swore his intention was one.
The prophet SAW then declared it as one.
Why would the prophet SAW ask the man to swear on his intention if he was not concerned about the numbers?
**Anyhow, like I said this is a complex matter. Better practice is what is described in Quran.
But three in one setting is still considered valid (not considered good or ahsan) by a large number of followers.
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*Why would the prophet SAW be angry if he SAW considered three as one? *
I would imagine the anger came from the intention behind the utterance. Obviously it can be understood that by uttering thrice the person in question tried to shortcut his way to divorce and that angered the Prophet PBUH:
“Is sport being made of the Book of Allah while I am (yet) among you?”
I would imagine the anger came from the intention behind the utterance. Obviously it can be understood that by uttering thrice the person in question tried to shortcut his way to divorce and that angered the Prophet PBUH:
“Is sport being made of the Book of Allah while I am (yet) among you?”
Yes. Possible. But eventually there is no evidence that he SAW said "go back to your wife. Your three talaqs in one setting are invalid."
Diwana, quite respectfully I would like to ask you, that if the Prophet is saying that such an act is making a sport of the Quran, then are you saying that he is saying " O ok, so you made a sport of you, go on, enjoy your sport?"
Furthermore, I have already quoted hadith and applied practices in the Prophet's time, up until Umar changed it all for his own reasons at the time of his rule, where triple talaq was considered one.
I don't wish to copy and paste them here again, especially since they are just a few posts above. Surely you bothered to read them? As they were of course in answer to your question.
Yes. Possible. But eventually there is no evidence that he SAW said "go back to your wife. Your three talaqs in one setting are invalid."
Diwana, quite respectfully I would like to ask you, that if the Prophet is saying that such an act is making a sport of the Quran, then are you saying that he is saying " O ok, so you made a sport of you, go on, enjoy your sport?"
Furthermore, I have already quoted hadith and applied practices in the Prophet's time, up until Umar changed it all for his own reasons at the time of his rule, where triple talaq was considered one.
I don't wish to copy and paste them here again, especially since they are just a few posts above. Surely you bothered to read them? As they were of course in answer to your question.
I HAVE read almost all of those a long time ago. Nothing new.
Let me ask: If a person is killed unlawfully, does that mean the person is alive?
*'Ibn Umar (Radhiyallaahu nhu), was asked about a person who gave Talaaq three times. He remarked, ‘If he had given her one or two divorces he could have taken her back for which Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered me the same. But if he had given her three Talaaqs then she is Haraam upon him until she marries another man.’ (Bukhari Vol2 p.792)
Once Imaam Hassan (Radhiyallaahu nhu) told his wife:
*'Go away, for you are divorced thrice'*
When he was grieved at the separation of his wife, he said:
*'If I had not heard my grandfather (Rasulullah) (or if my father did not tell me that he heard my grandfather) saying, ‘Whosoever gives his wife three Talaaqs in the state of Tuhr (cleanliness) or three Talaaqs together, she is not Halaal for him until she does not marry another man, until then he cannot take her back.’ (Darul Qutni Vol. 2 p.438)
^ sure if he/she is a shaheed. But you are bandying around the topic at hand.
Respectfully: I am not here to change your mind or belief. Just presenting other arguments. You do whatever you feel suitable for you.
Again: Correct acceptable method is what is described in Quran. But it does not negate three in one setting talaq. This is what I said a while ago in this thread. :)
Well from the perspective of the Quran I don't think triple Talaq uttered in an instant is valid, Islam gives you a long process to divorce making it easy for the parties to reconcile. Also this whole 3 talaq thing is completely rejected by Arabs, such as the Grand Mufti of Saudi and Qatar and such. It is only Pakis who continue to do this, and I think its really wrong.
We are making a joke out of Islam and its laws, in the Koran when a husband and wife divorce they clearly have 3 months to live together and neither should the girl leave or should the guy kick her out, the wisdom behind this is that they will work things out during that time.
Divorce is no joke, men should not even go near that word. Just avoid it, unless you are serious about taking that step.
Well from the perspective of the Quran I don't think triple Talaq uttered in an instant is valid, Islam gives you a long process to divorce making it easy for the parties to reconcile. Also this whole 3 talaq thing is completely rejected by Arabs, such as the Grand Mufti of Saudi and Qatar and such. It is only Pakis who continue to do this, and I think its really wrong.
We are making a joke out of Islam and its laws, in the Koran when a husband and wife divorce they clearly have 3 months to live together and neither should the girl leave or should the guy kick her out, the wisdom behind this is that they will work things out during that time.
Divorce is no joke, men should not even go near that word. Just avoid it, unless you are serious about taking that step.
Again: Correct acceptable method is what is described in Quran. But it does not negate three in one setting talaq. This is what I said a while ago in this thread. :)
Agreed that you have said so repeatedly on this thread. Was just interested in you elaborating your points. Thanks.
Most countries have banned the triple divorce, and many high ranking Muftis have rejected this practice (Ie Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Qatar) etc..
I would still urge men not to use that word around your wife because it can hurt a girls feelings greatly and make her feel really bad, some Pakistani men (out of ignorance) love to hang that word over a girls head, don't do that guys it's a great sin and you could end up really regretting it.
In Islam a husband and wife are each others "garment" ie covering, you are supposed to protect her and vice versa, don't go near this divorce crap, it's a shame to see this in the Muslim community. If you must do it, do it Islamically ie live together for the 3 months and give it a chance (as is required), don't make a joke out of GOD's laws.
Islam is so beautiful, if you follow the laws it gives couples every chance to reconcile and make up.