The ‘champions’ of human rights back from their rather convenient hibernation…
The progress of equality gained by minorities in the United States along with the Aid the United States provides the world justifies the United States being called labeled 'champions of human rights'. While recent events have shown that major changes in particular sectors of the government need major overhaul theese do not overshadow what the United States has done and continues to do that allowed them to earn and allows them to keep that label.
Perhaps those slamming the U.S. should look inward at their own countries as they struggle with the issue of human rights.
I'm not sure who taught who, but agree they should be in adjoining cells, or maybe in the same cell as part of a gay pyramid along with Bush and the rest of the butchers.
A brave soldier speaks out…
Atrocities in Iraq: ‘I killed innocent people for our government’](http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6201.htm)
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Actually...there's a valid point there.
Reuters staff abused by U.S. in Iraq](http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040518/325/etw0r.html)
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. forces beat three Iraqis working for Reuters and subjected them to sexual and religious taunts and humiliation during their detention last January in a military camp near Falluja, the three say.
The three first told Reuters of the ordeal after their release but only decided to make it public when the U.S. military said there was no evidence they had been abused, and following the exposure of similar mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
Two of the three said they had been forced to insert a finger into their anus and then lick it, and were forced to put shoes in their mouths, particularly humiliating in Arab culture.
All three said they were forced to make demeaning gestures as soldiers laughed, taunted them and took photographs. They said they did not want to give details publicly earlier because of the degrading nature of the abuse.
The soldiers told them they would be taken to the U.S. detention centre at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, deprived them of sleep, placed bags over their heads, kicked and hit them and forced them to remain in stress positions for long periods.
The U.S. military, in a report issued before the Abu Ghraib abuse became public, said there was no evidence the Reuters staff had been tortured or abused.
Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez, commander of ground forces in Iraq, said in a letter received by Reuters on Monday but dated March 5 that he was confident the investigation had been “thorough and objective” and its findings were sound.
The Pentagon has yet to respond to a request by Reuters Global Managing Editor David Schlesinger to review the military’s findings about the incident in light of the scandal over the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.
Asked for comment on Tuesday, Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said only: “There are a number of lines of inquiry under way with respect to prison operations in Iraq. If during the course of any inquiry, the commander believes it is appropriate to review a specific aspect of detention, he has the authority to do so.”
The abuse happened at Forward Operating Base Volturno, near Falluja, the Reuters staff said. They were detained on January 2 while covering the aftermath of the shooting down of a U.S. helicopter near Falluja and held for three days, first at Volturno and then at Forward Operating Base St Mere.
The three – Baghdad-based cameraman Salem Ureibi, Falluja-based freelance television journalist Ahmad Mohammad Hussein al-Badrani and driver Sattar Jabar al-Badrani – were released without charge on January 5.
“INADEQUATE” INVESTIGATION
“When I saw the Abu Ghraib photographs, I wept,” Ureibi said on Tuesday. “I saw they had suffered like we had.”
Ureibi, who understands English better than the other two detainees, said soldiers told him they wanted to have sex with him, and he was afraid he would be raped.
Schlesinger sent a letter to Sanchez on January 9 demanding an investigation into the treatment of the three Iraqis.
The U.S. army said it was investigating and requested further information. Reuters provided transcripts of initial interviews with the three following their release, and offered to make them available for interview by investigators.
A summary of the investigation by the 82nd Airborne Division, dated January 28 and provided to Reuters, said “no specific incidents of abuse were found”. It said soldiers responsible for the detainees were interviewed under oath and “none admit or report knowledge of physical abuse or torture”.
“The detainees were purposefully and carefully put under stress, to include sleep deprivation, in order to facilitate interrogation; they were not tortured,” it said. The version received on Monday used the phrase “sleep management” instead.
The U.S. military never interviewed the three for its investigation.
On February 3 Schlesinger wrote to Lawrence Di Rita, special assistant to Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, saying the investigation was “woefully inadequate” and should be reopened.
“The military’s conclusion of its investigation without even interviewing the alleged victims, along with other inaccuracies and inconsistencies in the report, speaks volumes about the seriousness with which the U.S. government is taking this issue,” he wrote.
ABUSE SCANDAL
The U.S. military faced international outrage this month after photographs surfaced showing U.S. soldiers humiliating and abusing Iraqi detainees at Abu Ghraib prison west of Baghdad.
An investigation by Major General Antonio Taguba found that “numerous incidents of sadistic, blatant, and wanton criminal abuses were inflicted on several detainees” in Abu Ghraib.
Seven U.S. soldiers have been charged over the Abu Ghraib abuse and the first court martial is set for Wednesday.
U.S. officials say the abuse was carried out by a small number of soldiers and that all allegations of abuse are promptly and thoroughly investigated.
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Perhaps those slamming the U.S. should look inward at their own countries as they struggle with the issue of human rights.
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The other countries don't shout from rooftops and give lectures to others about their "superior" human rights records. When it comes down to it your country is no better than the ones you are always accusing of human right violations. Abu Ghuraib and Gitmo are two shining examples of your brilliant human rights record.
The real damage to this whole fiasco is that it is a blow to Human Rights world wide. Not only will anti-American guppies use this incident to globally paint the US as just one of the abusers, rogue regimes will use it to either justify or deflect attention from their own abuses.
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Perhaps some folks should spend a little more time reading the threads rather than excitedly jumping into posting a message. We are talking about HYPOCRISY here....yes, others may have a 'bad' human rights record, but we DONT call ourselves as the 'champions of human rights' either. Anyway, with all happening in Iraq, US on NO MORAL GROUNDS can issue human rights report and condemn other countries. Another story that old habits die hard.....hypocrisy rules supreme...might is indeed right....whatever way u like that!
Is there anybody the US military in Iraq won’t beat, rape, torture or kill?
^ ummmm i guess the answer is no
Its free for all these GI Joes have the instincts similar to a packs of hyenas and the IQ levels on par with fridge freezers!
Yes, yes, there’s always something to laugh about and give a cocky :k: - especially when there are dead corpses around. Quite amusing, i must say. To smile over someone’s dead body - quite civilized behaviour i must say.
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Fresh Iraq prison photos emerge, BBC, 20 May 2004
New pictures have emerged showing two US guards at Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib prison posing with the body of a detainee who died in custody.
In the pictures, the Americans are smiling and giving the thumbs-up sign over the corpse.
This is just getting worse and worse by the day.
YEs especially when you see the pictures in thier full disgusting glory see below:
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Let's not forget this is a war and sometimes you have to use a little pressure to get information which could save lives. These two US soldiers are clearly using such techniques to prise important info from this corpse.
Another American "hometown hero"...
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*Specialist Charles Graner was pictured over the body of a dead prisoner *
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Yeah, the maggot's got a point though.. I believe it was his lawyers who released these pics? if not they're still using them.. anyway, the point *** for brains is making is that the folks who ordered this aren't getting the attention he is! Do you guys really think this one idiot and his immature buddies did all this? Who disposed of the body and why wasn't it reported through proper channels. There was an active coverup behind this poor man's death. Who was involved and why aren't we hearing about that. Ol' Graner shouldn't be stupid enough to think that he'd get off simply because other people are involved, but I wish him luck in dragging the other *******s down with him.
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Yeah, the maggot's got a point though.. I believe it was his lawyers who released these pics? if not they're still using them.. anyway, the point *** for brains is making is that the folks who ordered this aren't getting the attention he is! Do you guys really think this one idiot and his immature buddies did all this? Who disposed of the body and why wasn't it reported through proper channels. There was an active coverup behind this poor man's death. Who was involved and why aren't we hearing about that. Ol' Graner shouldn't be stupid enough to think that he'd get off simply because other people are involved, but I wish him luck in dragging the other *******s down with him.
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I am in complete agreement. Yes, the behaviour of these soldiers is despicable, but the greater blame lies with their superiors, all the way to the top. In some respects these soldiers are being made the 'fall guys' for the likes of Bremner and Rumsfeld who should really be hanged for these crimes.
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I am in complete agreement. Yes, the behaviour of these soldiers is despicable, but the greater blame lies with their superiors, all the way to the top. In some respects these soldiers are being made the 'fall guys' for the likes of Bremner and Rumsfeld who should really be hanged for these crimes.
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Its called "sh!t rolls down the hill"
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YEs especially when you see the pictures in thier full disgusting glory see below:
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It defies any reason or logic, unless this is indoctrinated.