If the congress in the States is disgusted with what its american troops are doing in IRaq, why don`t they leave iraq because no one wants them there!
All this terrible behaviour reminds me of how the amerikkkans treated black people when they used to torture and lynch them now its 2004 whats changed ?
You don’t say?
http://www.thewest.com.au/20040514/news/general/tw-news-general-home-sto124925.html
Rumsfeld admits US could fail Iraq
United States Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld admitted for the first time yesterday that the US mission in Iraq could fail, as the prisoner abuse crisis deepened and America tried to cope with the graphic images of American Nicholas Berg being beheaded. Mr Rumsfeld told a Senate inquiry before flying out on a surprise visit to Iraq that the abuse scandal had delivered a body blow to the nation-building effort in Iraq that has cost the lives of more than 770 US troops.
He's the sharpest they got, that's for sure.
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Yes, he can smell defeat now...
US soldier 'photographed having ***
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/05/13/story147437.html
A female soldier at the centre of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal was photographed having sex with other military guards, sometimes in front of detainees, senators said today.
Private First Class Lynndie England has already become the face of the scandal, shown in pictures pointing at a naked Iraqi and holding another by a leash.
She has claimed she was following orders from senior personnel and the photos were used to terrify other inmates into talking.
But unpublished photographs show Pte England engaged in sex acts with other soldiers, some senators told NBC.
The 100 senators were able to view hundreds of sickening pictures of prisoner abuse last night – images which the Pentagon now say will not be made publicly available.
“She was having sex with numerous partners. It appeared to be consensual,” said one senator.
“Almost everybody was naked all the time,” another said.
Other senators branded the images of abuse at Abu Ghraib prison, near Baghdad, “disgusting”.
Oregon Senator Ron Wyden said: “I expected that these pictures would be very hard on the stomach lining and it was significantly worse than anything that I had anticipated.
“Take the worse case and multiply it several times over,” he added.
Some snaps showed Iraqi women commanded to expose their breasts.
“I don’t know how the hell these people got into our army,” said Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell, from Colorado.
“There were several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up.
“They were not smiling in the pictures, that’s for sure. But it didn’t look like they had been beaten or hurt.”
“It was pretty disgusting, not what you’d expect from Americans,” said Senator Norm Coleman.
“There was lots of sexual stuff – not of the Iraqis, but of our troops.”
Pte England went on American television yesterday in a bid to defend herself. She said she was following orders when commanded to appear in photographs.
She told the KCNC-TV station: “I was instructed by persons in higher rank to stand there and hold this leash and look at the camera.”
The reservist said the pictures were intended to put psychological pressure on the Iraqi prisoners to talk.
She said military intelligence officers would tell the prison guards: “This is working. Keep doing it. It’s getting what we need.”
She said: “We think everything was justified, because we were instructed to do this and to do that.”
Pte England, is a petite 21-year-old from a trailer home in West Virginia.
According to some reports, England is engaged to, and carrying the baby of, Specialist Charles Graner, 35, who faces a possible court martial on criminal charges of maltreatment and indecent acts.
She was trained as an administrator and was sent to the Abu Ghraib centre to keep prisoner records.
Pte England, who wants to study to be a meteorologist, signed up for the Army at 17, before she had graduated from high school.
She is a cat-lover and sent money from her Army pay for her two sisters’ newborn babies, her family said.
Meanwhile, further evidence of soldiers mistreating Iraqi detainees came to light in a military prison guard’s video diary.
The unidentified female soldier said of the deaths of two inmates: “Who cares? That’s two less for me to worry about.”
Other soldiers are seen on the CBS 60 Minutes II programme, detailing poor conditions and overcrowding at Abu Ghraib and the Camp Bucca prison in Southern Iraq.
Two more soldiers are to be court martialled over the prisoner abuse scandal, it was announced yesterday.
Sergeant Javal Davis, 26, of Maryland, and Staff Sergeant Ivan “Chip” Frederick of Buckingham, Virginia, would face general courts martial, said US military spokesman Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt.
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, making a surprise visit to the Iraqi prison at the centre of the abuse scandal, said lawyers were advising the Pentagon not to publicly release any more photographs of Iraqi prisoners being treated badly by US soldiers.
He dismissed as “garbage” any suggestion the Pentagon tried to cover up the prison abuse.
After meetings in Baghdad, Rumsfeld travelled to the Abu Ghraib prison.
Speaking about the unpublished photographs, he said: “As far as I’m concerned, I’d be happy to release them all to the public and to get it behind us.
“But at the present time I don’t know anyone in the legal shop in any element of the government that is recommending that.”
Re: US soldier 'photographed having ***
It gets sicker and sicker.
Just to dispel the suggestion most american posters have offered: that condemnation has been universal, Im going to post articles in popular websites/newspapers that have supported/rationalised whatever happened.
I’ve already posted Rush’s gems, and the article that pinned the blame for the hoopla on Muslim antiquated notions of decency, rather than anything inherently wrong. Heres one more:
edit: posting only the beginning, to conserve space.
Waiting for Lynndie’s side of the story (Since when is humiliation worse than mutilation?)
Charleston Daily Mail ^ | Friday May 07, 2004 | Don Surber
Posted on 05/07/2004 7:59:33 AM PDT by van_erwin
Unlucky Lynndie England. She is the girl in the photo aiming at the genitalia of naked inmates at Abu Ghraib prison.
A New York Times reporter ain’t gonna write her autobiography. The state Democratic Party ain’t gonna supply her with a lawyer named Goodwin. “People” magazine ain’t gonna take her to White House Correspondents dinner.
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Surber may be reached by e-mail at [email protected].
Iraq Prison ‘Torture’ Allegations Overblown
News Max ^ | 5-2-04
Posted on 05/02/2004 12:09:29 PM PDT by hope
Sunday, May. 2, 2004 1:43 PM EDT
Iraq Prison ‘Torture’ Allegations Overblown
Did U.S. soldiers in Baghdad “torture” Iraqi prisoners housed at Saddam Hussein’s old Abu Ghraib prison?
That’s the impression being given by the blanket coverage of photos showing Iraqi detainees being humiliated at hands of their American keepers - half of whom, by the way, were female.
That’s right. Along with three male GIs suspected in the prison “torture” episode, three females, Spec. Megan Ambuhl, Spec. Sabrina Harman and Private Lynndie England have been named in the scandal.
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Meanwhile, if the Muslim world considers it “torture” to have female GIs looking at their undressed prisoners, they ought to consider how upset Americans get when the folks we sent over to rebuild one of their countries are shot, burned, have their corpses dragged through the streets and used for bridge ornaments.
US soldier details Iraq abuse](Yahoo is part of the Yahoo family of brands.)
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - U.S. guards at the Abu Ghraib prison stripped Iraqi prisoners naked, mocked, struck and kicked them and then “in the crudest of humiliations, forced them to hit each other,” the Los Angeles Times reports.
The paper said that Specialist Jeremy Sivits, the first soldier to face a court-martial in the abuse scandal, has told investigators “a harrowing tale” of how guards led by Specialist Charles Graner abused the detainees during nightly rounds.
The Times said that according to documents it had obtained, Sivits claimed Graner was always “joking, laughing … acting like he was enjoying it.”
Sivits, one of seven military police officers facing charges in the case, will plead guilty at a court-martial proceeding next week, the Washington Post reported on Friday.
Sivits, 24, of Hyndman, Pennsylvania, admitted in a sworn statement that he photographed the abuse but never reported it, according to the newspaper.
His offer to plead guilty was accepted by the staff judge advocate overseeing his court-martial, according to a memo reviewed by The Washington Post and lawyers representing others charged in the case, the newspaper said. But the paper said it could not be determined to which charge he would plead guilty.
The Times also reported that Sivits’ statement implicates five of the other six soldiers accused of abusing detainees at the prison outside Baghdad.
According to the Times, Sivits said all of the abuse was done without the knowledge of their superiors in the Army chain of command. “Our command would have slammed us,” he said, according to documents quoted by the paper.
“They believe in doing the right thing. If they saw what was going on, there would be hell to pay.” He said Graner warned him not to say anything, telling him: “You did not see (this).”
Graner’s attorney, Houston lawyer Guy Womack, was not immediately available for comment but has said, according to the Times, that Graner and other soldiers were under pressure by military interrogators to “soften up” the detainees to get intelligence.
According to the Times, Sivits said the soldiers appeared to be enjoying abusing the prisoners.
Sivits described how inmates were forced to strip and form a human pyramid and how U.S. soldiers jumped on them when they were handcuffed and piled on the floor. He also said Graner hit one man so hard that he fell unconscious and that other soldiers forced naked detainees to masturbate.
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Just to dispel the suggestion most american posters have offered: that condemnation has been universal, Im going to post articles in **popular* websites/newspapers that have supported/rationalised whatever happened.
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This is not surprising. Even the families and fiends of these soldiers in their home towns are supporting their actions, or making excuses for them. Plus we have US commentators looking for the "root causes" of all this American brutality and murder in Iraq, yet we were told there were no excuses for terrorism?
HYNDMAN, Pa. (AP) - In the rural area where Army Spc. Jeremy Sivits grew up, there’s shock that he’s part of the Iraq prison scandal…
A yard down the street from Sivits’ place is decorated with flags, yellow ribbons and supportive signs: We believe in Jeremy'' and Jeremy Sivits, our hometown hero."
We believe in Jeremy'' andJeremy Sivits, our hometown hero."
That's what average America thinks about it's torturers in Iraq. My what condemnation!
Hometown heros see the mentality of these idiots
They abuse iraqis like some kind of animals and they get welcome home signs and treated like some kind of heros!
Another bombshell in the Iraq torture scandal…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1109140.htm
Rumsfeld approved Iraq interrogation methods: report
US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld approved a plan that brought unconventional interrogation methods to Iraq to gain intelligence about the growing insurgency, the New Yorker magazine reports. The magazine reports that Mr Rumsfeld, who has been under fire for a prisoner abuse scandal, gave the green light to methods previously used in Afghanistan for gathering intelligence on members of Al Qaeda. Pentagon spokesman Jim Turner says he has not seen the story and could not comment. The article hits newsagencies on Monday. US interrogation techniques have come under scrutiny amid revelations that prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad were kept naked, stacked on top of one another, forced to engage in sex acts and photographed in humiliating poses. Mr Rumsfeld, who has rejected calls by some Democrats and a number of major newspapers to resign, calls the scandal a “body blow”.
Seven soldiers have been charged. The abuse has prompted worldwide outrage and has shaken US global prestige as President George W Bush seeks re-election in November. Mr Bush has backed Mr Rumsfeld and says the abuse was abhorrent but the wrongful actions of only a few soldiers. The US military has now prohibited several interrogation methods from being used in Iraq, including sleep and sensory deprivation and body “stress positions”.
The New Yorker reports the interrogation plan was a highly classified “special access program”, or SAP, that gave advance approval to kill, capture or interrogate “high-value” targets. Such secret methods were used extensively in Afghanistan but more sparingly in Iraq - only in the search for former President Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction. As the Iraqi insurgency grew and more US soldiers died, Mr Rumsfeld and Defence Under Secretary for Intelligence Stephen Cambone expanded the scope to bring the interrogation tactics to Abu Ghraib. The magazine, which bases its article on interviews with several past and present American intelligence officials, reports the plan was approved and carried out last year after deadly bombings in August at the UN headquarters and Jordanian Embassy in Baghdad. A former intelligence official quoted in the article says Mr Rumsfeld and General Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, approved the program but may not have known about the abuse.
unconventional interrogation methods
I am expecting Donald "lets go to war" Rumsfield to be awarded the Nobel peace prize for work he has done for Human Rights!
It amazes me how these people who claim to be the shining light on human rights and freedom are the same ones who approve torture and bombings of civillians!
Oh God! :eek:
So Rumsfeld learnt quite a few things from his meetings with Saddam Hussein i.e. how to direct to torture and murder of the Iraqi people? This American war criminal should be sharing a cell right next to his old buddy...
The right wing american brigade making there usual ridiculous excuses for amerikka occupying Iraq.
It was nice past few weeks when had no comments from them but i see they back in full flow once again with there lame excuses such as we got rid of saddam when they US administration was giving him everything from money to weapons in the first place 
and they got nerve to call us hypocrites 