Re: TOP US GENERAL RIGHTLY CALLS GAY ACTS IMMORAL.
quite the contrary . human beings are predictable creatures that do act most of the time according to their nature. it is the ability to go against their nature that is a remarkable feat.
I think I failed badly in conveying my point here, due to my poor communication. Let me give you an example to explain what I intended to say.
No baby cat is taught by it's mother to fear the dog, but it is predesigned in it's mind to fear dog. Similarly no puppy is taught by the mother to attack cats.
No matter how hungry a lion, cat or a dog is, it won't eat grass because it has to follow it's nature.
Now when the human baby is nearly one year old, he puts everything that comes in his hand to his mouth. So, it needs to be taught what to eat and what not to eat.
I think the topic would be incomplete if the philosophical and a bit religious aspect is not considered.
Every child by nature is born good, but is influenced alot by his parents, environment and most importantly the choices he makes in his life. The stats says that every killer feel guilty and most of them cry after they kill for the first time in their life, because they did something against their nature. IT is their being persistant in doing that bad act which enables them to overcome their nature and feel normal about it. Then they might claim that they were born with this instict. <-------BUT Saying that would be blaming the creator, which is wrong. IF the creator makes people like that than He would never have cursed and punished the nation of Saint "looth" (However you pronounce it in english). Also at the day of judgement a homosexual person can easily say to the creator that don't punish me, it was not my fault, it was actually your fault that you created me like that. make sense ?
Animals and fish also do not socialize in the way humans do but for the sake of the argument...there do exist species that are homosexual in nature. many animals are also quite promiscuous...ironically a species most closest to man (speaking evolution-wise)
Sorry, I didn't get it. Which species are homosexual in nature. Any examples ?
Pardon me for being dubious but i have a hard time believing any gay person would give this as a reason for him choosing this lifestyle. so far the gay men and women i have seen argue in favor of their lifestyle have said something to the likes of them having no control over it. but i dont want to have a discussion on whether its learned or not...many have had this discussion and the conclusion remains that that there is no conclusion..yet..as to what extent sexual identity is learned versus biological.
As I said earlier, if it they are born with this nature and have no control over it, than it means in other words (ma'azAllah)"We should blame the creator for first creating them like that and than cursing and punishing them" The reason why I have mentioned the example of Saint Looth, is because the major religons in the world which consists of more than half the population of the world, believe in it.
Homosexual individuals have existed in every society in every time period. and hetero's have known this too. as far as i can see they are doing just fine as far as hetero reproduction is concerned. so i dont see how the system of reproduction would be disturbed.
I learned it from somewhere and am not sure about it.May be you are right and I am wrong regarding this point. But the truth remains hidden as we both have no authentic source to prove our point here.
if such things remain taboo there is a greater risk of having rise of diseases thanks to ignorance. e.g. the act of making prostitution illegal has never gotten rid of the worlds oldest profession...what it HAS done is in fact increased the violence that acompanies pimp-hood since the act is not regulated and the prostitute has no way of punishing the violators.
Here, again there are difference in opinion based on different research. Infact diseases like aids are more common in the countries where prostituion is legalised. Thus, We are not sure of the true way to stop it, so I would like to follow my beliefs as in my view, my Lord and the ways adopted by his Prophet (as) is the best way. Ofcourse this is not an enough reason for me to convince the non-believers but it seems that we have to stick to it, untill we find a research which is more clear and logical to everyone.
thats pedophilia. not homosexuality.
But they are inter related to each other. (talking about child abuse of boy done by men) I am talking from practical observation, though I might be wrong.
i guess you are trying to say that gays are made out of childhood sexual abuse. as i said before...alot of theories are offered but nothing conclusive. child abuse and the effects it has on the mind is a complicated issue and many factors come into play. so its hard for us to determine cause and effect like that.
but child abuse is equally committed by hetero-male/females and is not exclusive to homosexuals. i am sorry you and your friends were subject to this horrible crime and i understand your views better after learning of your experience
You are right, there are alot of theories and again we can't be sure of the truth. So it is up to us to follow whatever makes sense to us or our beliefs. And my belief says that the disease of child sexual abuse and homosexuality were inter related to each other in the nation which was destroyed by our Lord. Again I am only saying my beliefs, which ofcourse anyone else might disagree with.