TOP US GENERAL RIGHTLY CALLS GAY ACTS IMMORAL.

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There are certain universal definitions of good and bad.
All living things follow their true nature as their minds are pre-designed to follow their natural instincts. Only humans have been given the ability to go against their nature.

quite the contrary . human beings are predictable creatures that do act most of the time according to their nature. it is the ability to go against their nature that is a remarkable feat.

There are certain rules of nature, which when violated disturb the whole system. The reason for gays being not natural is that you won't find gays among any single type of animal, bird, fish or any other living things.

Animals and fish also do not socialize in the way humans do but for the sake of the argument...there do exist species that are homosexual in nature. many animals are also quite promiscuous...ironically a species most closest to man (speaking evolution-wise)

About their effect on society.

*I came across a nice person who was a gay. I asked him the reason and he told me that he grew up watching his two moms having "relationships" in one house, which raised curiosity in his immature mind regarding relationships b/w people of same gender. So, lesbians did ruin the life of this child by practicing this act. *

Pardon me for being dubious but i have a hard time believing any gay person would give this as a reason for him choosing this lifestyle. so far the gay men and women i have seen argue in favor of their lifestyle have said something to the likes of them having no control over it. but i dont want to have a discussion on whether its learned or not...many have had this discussion and the conclusion remains that that there is no conclusion..yet..as to what extent sexual identity is learned versus biological.

*If such people keep practicing it in open, a time will come when the whole system of reproduction would be disturbed. *

Homosexual individuals have existed in every society in every time period. and hetero's have known this too. as far as i can see they are doing just fine as far as hetero reproduction is concerned. so i dont see how the system of reproduction would be disturbed.

*Such unnatural activities give rise to diseases which were not even known in the history. *

if such things remain taboo there is a greater risk of having rise of diseases thanks to ignorance. e.g. the act of making prostitution illegal has never gotten rid of the worlds oldest profession...what it HAS done is in fact increased the violence that acompanies pimp-hood since the act is not regulated and the prostitute has no way of punishing the violators.

*Also such people have played the main role in child abuse in the society.Why I personally don't respect such people is because in my childhood few people belonging to the same catagory tried to abuse me and Allah saved me. *

thats pedophilia. not homosexuality.

Few of my other colleagues who became the victom in childhood grew up to become gays and child abusers themselves. So the process continues...

i guess you are trying to say that gays are made out of childhood sexual abuse. as i said before...alot of theories are offered but nothing conclusive. child abuse and the effects it has on the mind is a complicated issue and many factors come into play. so its hard for us to determine cause and effect like that.
but child abuse is equally committed by hetero-male/females and is not exclusive to homosexuals. i am sorry you and your friends were subject to this horrible crime and i understand your views better after learning of your experience.

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None of the animals are homosexual...That's another lie by the said group.....

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Choose whatever your term you want for those who categorically deem all homosexual behavior immoral. Point is, there is that rather large group who believe it, but it's a small percentage who think it should be outlawed in society. For those who advocate a ban in the military, they need to choose another reasoning other then immorality unless they plan on banning extra-marital sex and other acts that are considered immoral by many in society.

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Wrong

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The reason for gays being not natural is that you won't find gays among any single type of animal, bird, fish or any other living things
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Wrong

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Such unnatural activities give rise to diseases which were not even known in the history.
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Wrong.
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I came to know from an authentic source that the USA department of crimes gave this report that in more than 95 % of cases of rape either the victom or the culprit is drunk. In 99 % of cases of incest sex, both the members of the family are drunk ( common sense, no person in his senses would commit sex in the same family).
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Wrong. I don't know what the actual statistics are, and I am sure alcohol is involved at some level, but your statistics are not authentic and statistically impossible.

I suggest in addtion to submitting to peace, you also submit to knowledge These are very illinformed views.

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If you're not even bothering to live in the US, then I don't see how any of this really concerns you. You can't shove your religious views down the throats of Americans. They give you your religious rights and let you have your viewpoints, so its most proper if you stop trying to see yourself as a saviour of morality.

I love how desis infiltrate into other countries, and then expect everyone to revert to their way of thinking.

Mind you, I may or may not support homosexuality, but that's besides the point. I at least respect their right to live and have a source of income, etc. So if they want to be in the military, etc - then who cares. Let them. Who are we to start preaching morality when we're the worst followers of it?

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Here's what some muslims who consider themselves Americans don't get. If they keep pushing to have morality factored in so much into our government and laws, then at some point, that same morality is going to come and bite them on their behind. Today it's homosexuals. But then, when tomorrow, someone bans the hijab as being immoral because it doesn't concord with modern Judeo-Christian women's morals of individuality, then these same guys will go crying Jihad.

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PS : I don't talk to people on crack...

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How old are you that the thought of two guys DOING sex scares you? You've made an American issue Islamic. How dare you stand on your box of dates and impose your perverted thought process.

Have you no sense of history. Muslims used to and continue to have homosexual relations. Turks, Arabs, Afghans, Punjabs. Name me a society and I'll give you a paper on their homosexuality. It has been an integral part of many Muslim cultures and is often in plain view. For pete's sake - boys were displayed naked in super markets for older men to fondle. Muslims are a-ok with being homosexual, but when it comes to anything more than humping we throw a riot.

We know muslims are gay, you have been for some time. Quit pretending it upsets you. You like fresh young boys, treasure them like pearls.

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I think its quite evident who needs a lesson in Islamic morals here.

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Don't drag muslims into your own form of history...beides it is not a question of religion...supposedly i am a christian then too i side with General Pace.

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Madam you are confusing the scenario here...i did not drag islam here....even if i am a christian ,a hindu or an aethist ...i side with General Pace on this issue....

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Yeah ok. Then you probably should be able to figure out that you need a better reason than IMMORALITY to debunk the livlihood of so many homosexual American military men.

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Homosexuality, bestiality, incest are all OK...But does US law provide any sanction for a person with multiple wives? Is polygamy accepted in the US?

If two women who are consenting adults decide to share the same husband, then why is it crime in US?

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Folks.. first of all, please try to debate the topic, rather than indulging in mud-slinging match with another person, especially when you have little or no knowledge about that person.

Second, please try to avoid bringing other family members (mothers etc) in the discussion to make lame points. I am sure you can do better by focussing on the topic itself.

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Lajjo, bhai, if the country vexes you so cut a one way ticket and spend blissful days with your missus in a country which subscribes to your morality - and where you are amoungst like minded poeple. Ku bin-vaja sar mai dard rakhtai hain aap.

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Yes tell Ms PCG about it....infact can you please take out those posts out of this thread..She has been quite out attacking...

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Back to the topic, I think some people are mischaracterizing the statement by General Pace, in the first place. He is not asking for a ban on homosexuality in the military. He is advocating continuation of military's current policy of "don't ask - don't tell". In other words, lets shove the issue under the rug.

Secondly, he expressed his opinion that homosexuality is immoral. There are many amongst us who think homosexuality is just fine. Most others think it may be bad and distasteful but everyone has a right to sexual preference and its none of our business. Some others want absolutely nothing to do with homosexuals. In all cases, in the US, we all have a right to express an opinion on this topic. Which is precisely what General Pace did. He expressed his opinion. He is not making any policy change to either endorse homosexuality or prohibiting it. Its just a discusion of personal beliefs. Some people will agree with it, some don't.

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Problem is, there are those in those countries which subscribe to my morality who are vexed by morality of the country which subscribes to my morality...If they have the right to be vexed at the country which subscribes to my morality then I have a right to be vexed at the country which does not subscribe to my morality...

However that does not address the issue I raised...

How can two homosexual lovers have a civil union and a Muslim or a Mormon who subscribe to polygamy, cannot?

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& don't ask ,don't tell goes till where you do not allow gay sex in military....& if someone is found doing that they are kicked out...so don't ask don't tell implies to "something" i.e no homosexual sex/relationships while in military...

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True. But homosexuals can serve in the military. No one asks them whether they are gay or not. Thats different than saying homosexuals are banned from the military. Even hetrosexuals don't carry out sex acts in public. If they do, that will probably be called "indecent acts" or something and penalized.