Top commanders say 'enough is enough'

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MQM to suppor army action against Taliban****

KARACHI: Muttahida Qaumi Movement chief Altaf Hussain said on Sunday his party would support an army action against the Taliban, asserting that “we will have to rise up against them, if we want Quaid-e-Azam’s Pakistan”.

“May I ask where are Pakistan’s armed forces, and its high-ranking personnel who utilise up to 80 per cent of the country’s resources,” the MQM chief questioned. He said if the armed forces failed to apprehend these culprits, then the people would be left with no other option, but to look towards the international community for the protection of their children."

At least our government or the ISPR should tell us what to do while the TTP goes about its killing spree at will?

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Pakistan ka PM banne k liye unhein, pehle Pakistan aana perday ga :p
anyways, we shouldnt be even uttering those words, najane kuonsa waqt qabooliyat ka ho.... :(

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Ban youtube over Malala attack? :konfused: hazam nahee howi baat. And not my fault if you are not hearing calls for bringing the attackers to ‘justice’.

You did not read my comments, right? I told you that peaceful protests are NOT MAKING IT TO THE NEWS. Your other sample is highly biased. Not my fault if your relatives are showing apathy.

You said people went berserk over the movie thing and did not do that for Malala incident. What real action you are demanding from people of Pakistan?

When did I say that? Do not misrepresent me.

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See below. It’s disheartening to you that the country is more pissed off over Malala than the movie, which is false. The country is not more unified, as evidenced by the number of Mullah’s, as well as politicians, defending the Taliban. Not only that, but, once again so you don’t miss it, there are fewer people protesting Malala’s attack than the movie, and that’s the problem.

Now that your schooling is over, please read your initial response to me (post #9) and tell me in one sentence what your main point was.

My point: more people reacted to the Youtube video than to Malala’s incident (people did react, I didn’t say that they didn’t), and that’s the problem.

Your point: ?

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My main point was that there was a big divide in society over the video protests and there is less of a divide now over condemning this attack. If you are counting the number of nut jobs protesting (and vandalizing property on the side) on the TV, you’ll remain disappointed. And if you are inflamed by the immature conspiracy theorists, you should again be disappointed since people generally are not buying that anymore. Perhaps you’ll be satisfied if I go out and burn a bank or something and GEO reports that.

Case in point: Minister Bilour offering bounty for the movie maker and his party disowning his statements.

Your confusion stems from the fact that people are divided over how the government and military should REACT to the attacks. Should we go gung-ho into NW with all the might or should we first investigate the attack.

The quote below is not very difficult to understand:

You claim about this quote: It’s disheartening to you that the country is more pissed off over Malala than the movie, which is false.

How do you get from A to B, is beyond my comprehension. Cannot really help you there. Sorry.

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So just to clarify, you are saying that more people have done something about the Malala incident than the Youtube video?

As for your quote, you are clearly saying that the country is more united over Malala than the movie or drone attacks, and this is disheartening to you. If I am wrong then please clarify what you meant.

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  1. If by 'done something' you mean condemn the attacks, yes, I believe more people have done that v/s the crappy movie. Lets agree to disagree here.

  2. It says 'heartening' not 'disheartening'. Thanks.

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  • Fair enough we'll agree to disagree. I'm not convinced, given the conspiracy theories floating around. See the other thread by phoenixdesi.

  • My mistake I misread the word, I apologize.

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    So he is worried about dual nationality . He can not hold an office now a days .

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    Enough is enough

    http://e.dunya.com.pk/news/2012/October/2012-10-15/LHR/detail_img/26680_53117811.jpg

    If this Aslam Baig could be tried for distributing money among politicians , At least he could not say this .

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    PMLN zinda baad…:k:

    thats why they are keeping a very low profile…

    PTI seems to be on the downward trajectory in any case…

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    Another U turn
    Now
    Duty of Nirrals to support Waziristan operation .
    They were talking to stop drones .
    That was bad
    Now kill Waziris by your own bombs .

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    IK, ik baat ker lein app, lets see if he sticks to it and doesnt change his stance again.

    khair,

    to me it seems like its not really army, but political parties who do not want operation in NW, maybe because elections are near?

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    PPP steps back from ownership of NWA operation

    ISLAMABAD: The government’s plans to pass a unanimous resolution in the parliament, seeking approval for a long anticipated operation in North Waziristan, met stiff resistance on Tuesday when the main opposition party, Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), rejected the resolution by labeling it as a mere political move to “fool the nation”.

    On Tuesday, the opposition made it evident to the ruling coalition that it would not share ownership of a resolution before receiving guarantees from the government of desired results from a military operation in North Waziristan, home to a cocktail of terrorist groups including the likes of Haqqani network.

    The move to block the resolution, which had already been shared with the opposition beforehand for approval, forced the ruling collation led by Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) to hold back from moving the resolution in parliament, knowing it would be opposed by the PML-N. And even though the coalition has the numerical strength in the Lower House to pass the resolution, it would have to take complete ownership of giving the go-ahead for such an operation.

    Non-starter

    Meanwhile, author and analyst Ayesha Siddiqa said that a resolution being tabled in the National Assembly for the approval of a military operation in North Waziristan was always a
    “non-starter”.

    “As a nation, we have lost the spine to go-ahead with this operation,” said Siddiqa.

    Asked what is preventing political parties from agreeing on the military operation in NWA, Siddiqa said the army itself was not keen on an operation in North Waziristan, pointing towards a nearing withdrawal date of US/Isaf troops in Afghanistan.

    “I don’t think the military wants an operation in Waziristan and political parties must play the symphony being conducted by the establishment.”

    The nation clearly stands divided on the issue with media and civil society on one side and political parties and establishment on the other side.

    I am wondering what kind of a message are we giving to the Taliban? They must be assured that they can do whatever they want and still go scot-free.

    Probably we want to tell the Taliban that we do not believe in revenge, retaliation or man-made justice and instead raise our case in front of God on the Judgement Day.

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    Its easier to 'judge' someone who speaks, but almost impossible to judge someone who doesn't speak at all. You don't have any opinion or solution but you are ready to criticize any opinion of people you oppose.

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    Very misleading title.

    Can the government guarantee peace after the operation? This is what he has been saying all along. Indiscriminate, blind NW operation will result in even more bloodshed. We’ll see Anwer Pasha then crying about some shaheeds there as he does for the Lal Masjid people now.

    It is also true that there is no umbrella group of militants now. We cannot really negotiate with them all.

    There are a few major problems. If there is a major offensive in NW, we do not really know who the target is. Secondly, our security forces are not equipped with dealing with those who just depend on hit and run operations. How do we secure Afghan border? Afghans or Americans are not willing to do a counter operation on their side of the border. Sooner or later, we’ll have to go into Waziristan. Only that it must not be reactionary decision and get ourselves into a bigger mess than we are in. We must have thorough planning and preparations before any major offensive.

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    i agree so many important factors to take into account before actually going ahead with this operation, but i dont think its happening anytime soon, besides PPP and MQM. rest are actually against this operation. so there is clearly a division on this issue like Amal said.

    main issue is the difficult terrain of Pak-Afghan border, Its almost impossible to fence and seal the entire border. if an offensive is launched these savages would just run to the other side of the border. and ofcourse, if cant expect US to take care of that, we have seen how eastern province is literally handed over to taliban.

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    then pakistan should take help of friends .

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    “Friends” like India? :cb: