Tolerance

[hanibal]

I’ve been watching the Geo’s Program called, HUM SAB UMEED SAY HAIN, and other programs and columns time to time.

These people have made fun of every politicain, made songs on them, made some real laugh out of their deals and working relationships.

Nawaz, Zaradari, Benazir, Even Mighty Musharaf was not spared. All of them got treated by these.

But I have not seen them talking abotu MQM or parties like MQM. Is it because they don’t want to put their hands in GUTTER or they feel that these parties will not tolerate critics and humor?

I have heard ( i don’t know true or not) the News Papers in Karachi are not ALLOWED to right anything against MQM, and looking into these kind of programs actually proves the fact that MQM and likewise parties cannot allow freedom of press and/or any thing of this nature.

[AQ]

Re: Tolerance

In the beginning I remember they were not touching Altaf Hussain but I remember seeing many episodes where they have this guys in Ajrak who is depicted as Altaf Hussain

[Spock]

Re: Tolerance

MQM being a terrorist party, doesnt tolerate such stuff, they'll go out and shoot the producer or director or whoever they think was an important factor behind the program's success. We all know what they did to the AAJ tv people.

Most of the identified criticism that emerges in the papers, comes from writers and journalists who do not reside in Karachi.

[Ambassador1]

What did they do to AAJ TV people?

MQM being a terrorist party, doesnt tolerate such stuff, they'll go out and shoot the producer or director or whoever they think was an important factor behind the program's success. **We all know what they did to the AAJ tv people. **

Most of the identified criticism that emerges in the papers, comes from writers and journalists who do not reside in Karachi.

[ehtasab]

Re: Tolerance

Slain Takbeer guy might have some hints for you :)

[hanibal]

@AQ

In the beginning I remember they were not touching Altaf Hussain but I remember seeing many episodes where they have this guys in Ajrak who is depicted as Altaf Hussain

u mean the same way they do it with Zardari nd NS and others, or u just have feeling that his character is there but it is not there...

[hanibal]

MQM being a terrorist party, doesnt tolerate such stuff, they'll go out and shoot the producer or director or whoever they think was an important factor behind the program's success. We all know what they did to the AAJ tv people.

Most of the identified criticism that emerges in the papers, comes from writers and journalists who do not reside in Karachi.

Actually that is what the perception is, but as iam not from Karachi, so i don't know how true it is!!!

But given it is true, then how come this party can call itself a democratic party... ( although i don't remember anything of that sort coming out of the top officials of the party)...

[hanibal]

Slain Takbeer guy might have some hints for you :)

well thats the punishment of having MQM's or Altaf's name being published with the reality.. anyone from Altaf side want to say there side of story..

[Mostar95]

:halo:

[Spock]

Re: Tolerance

Just post an anti-MQM video on youtube, and see how many death threats you will get, this is how the MQM operates. Mostar, aap ko bura lagga?

[Mostar95]

Re: Tolerance

Nahee! Its a fact.

[burqaposhx]

MQM behavior should not be looked at without considering Karachi's political history. Remember folks, we are talking about "political" history here. And this is no way a condemnation of Urdu speaking community as a whole.

Karachi politics was traditionally dominated by two strains. One was Jamat Islami and the second was the Shina Sunni struggle that kind of came along with immigrants from their Indian homelands.

Jamat Islami had total dominance in Karachi, and JI used its terror tactics to cull the opponents from socialist parties. Year and year out, JI would win almost all Urdu speaking seats whereas the same party suffered terrible defeats in the rest of the country. Few exceptions were a seat here or a seat there in the up country.

The second and much more violent streak in Karachi politics came from part religion and part ethnicity. As I said earlier, the immigrants from India brought along serious hatred on Shia Sunni lines. There used to be violent clashes between the two sects pretty much on the same level as modern day sectarian violence in Kurram agency.

Urdu speaking community also harbored strong dislike of Pashtun bus drivers and such feelings boiled over in anti-Pashtun riots after a little girl was run over by a bus.

So this was the caldron in which MQM was conceived, given birth to, and raised as a dominant political party in the Sindh.

In fact MQM's very seed came from the violent politics in Karachi's universities and colleges.

Thus considering the background, MQM was destined to use terror to mould its future. In some cases it was deliberate, and in other cases it was merely defensive. MQM has seen many of its workers and leaders ruthlessly killed, and yes MQM has killed its opponents mafia style. In many cases it was a turf war akin to the gang wars of Los Angeles and other American cities.

Guns, drugs, and pure extortion has been used by almost every party in Karachi, and MQM is no exception.

So the intolerance in MQM must be looked at in the backdrop of Karachi's ethnic and sectarian politics, and it should not be singled out as "the violent party".

[Dr.LuLworth]

@burqaposhx

MQM behavior should not be looked at without considering Karachi's political history. Remember folks, we are talking about "political" history here. And this is no way a condemnation of Urdu speaking community as a whole.

Karachi politics was traditionally dominated by two strains. One was Jamat Islami and the second was the Shina Sunni struggle that kind of came along with immigrants from their Indian homelands.

Jamat Islami had total dominance in Karachi, and JI used its terror tactics to cull the opponents from socialist parties. Year and year out, JI would win almost all Urdu speaking seats whereas the same party suffered terrible defeats in the rest of the country. Few exceptions were a seat here or a seat there in the up country.

The second and much more violent streak in Karachi politics came from part religion and part ethnicity. As I said earlier, the immigrants from India brought along serious hatred on Shia Sunni lines. There used to be violent clashes between the two sects pretty much on the same level as modern day sectarian violence in Kurram agency.

Urdu speaking community also harbored strong dislike of Pashtun bus drivers and such feelings boiled over in anti-Pashtun riots after a little girl was run over by a bus.

So this was the caldron in which MQM was conceived, given birth to, and raised as a dominant political party in the Sindh.

In fact MQM's very seed came from the violent politics in Karachi's universities and colleges.

Thus considering the background, MQM was destined to use terror to mould its future. In some cases it was deliberate, and in other cases it was merely defensive. MQM has seen many of its workers and leaders ruthlessly killed, and yes MQM has killed its opponents mafia style. In many cases it was a turf war akin to the gang wars of Los Angeles and other American cities.

Guns, drugs, and pure extortion has been used by almost every party in Karachi, and MQM is no exception.

So the intolerance in MQM must be looked at in the backdrop of Karachi's ethnic and sectarian politics, and it should not be singled out as "the violent party".

^^^^

what you said. :)

[Spock]

@burqaposhx

MQM behavior should not be looked at without considering Karachi's political history. Remember folks, we are talking about "political" history here. And this is no way a condemnation of Urdu speaking community as a whole.

Karachi politics was traditionally dominated by two strains. One was Jamat Islami and the second was the Shina Sunni struggle that kind of came along with immigrants from their Indian homelands.

Jamat Islami had total dominance in Karachi, and JI used its terror tactics to cull the opponents from socialist parties. Year and year out, JI would win almost all Urdu speaking seats whereas the same party suffered terrible defeats in the rest of the country. Few exceptions were a seat here or a seat there in the up country.

The second and much more violent streak in Karachi politics came from part religion and part ethnicity. As I said earlier, the immigrants from India brought along serious hatred on Shia Sunni lines. There used to be violent clashes between the two sects pretty much on the same level as modern day sectarian violence in Kurram agency.

Urdu speaking community also harbored strong dislike of Pashtun bus drivers and such feelings boiled over in anti-Pashtun riots after a little girl was run over by a bus.

So this was the caldron in which MQM was conceived, given birth to, and raised as a dominant political party in the Sindh.

In fact MQM's very seed came from the violent politics in Karachi's universities and colleges.

Thus considering the background, MQM was destined to use terror to mould its future. In some cases it was deliberate, and in other cases it was merely defensive. MQM has seen many of its workers and leaders ruthlessly killed, and yes MQM has killed its opponents mafia style. In many cases it was a turf war akin to the gang wars of Los Angeles and other American cities.

Guns, drugs, and pure extortion has been used by almost every party in Karachi, and MQM is no exception.

So the intolerance in MQM must be looked at in the backdrop of Karachi's ethnic and sectarian politics, and it should not be singled out as "the violent party".

Was this theory of yours concocted and conceived in Nine-Zero by any chance? What happened to the fact that it was Zia-ul-Haq who brought in Pir Sahib (a cabbie at that time) to counter the strongest party, the PPP (which you never mentioned because you were so fixated on Jamatiz and Shias).

Also, how come the only ones receiving Bhatta in Karachi belong to the MQM, and not to the Jamatiz, Shias, or Peepliyaz?

[Dr.LuLworth]

I was also thinking the show should also be titled, hum sab khabees say hain

[Himalaya]

I like what Burqaposhx wrote. There are a lot of factions in Karachi not just ethnic and political but sectarian and even occupation wise too ie lawyers, transport providers. Each faction ie MQM, PPP,JI, Shia groups, Sunni groups, Pakhtuns, Muhajirs, Public transport providers can call a pretty large strike.

The problem begins when there ia small minor problem ie a bus driver driving at fast speed through a Muhajir area and somehow or another they get hold of him and the conductors and they get a deservedly good beating (if driving fast through populated areas). By luck most bus conductors and drivers are/were pashtuns. So the whole incident is twisted into a Muhajir-Pashtun issue. Individuals are manipulating events and a minor issue becomes a major one. The problem is we dont look to see who is right or wrong but we quickly side with some one from the same ethnicity with us.

The MQM have very low tolerance levels and very violent reactions. they are a group whose power needs to be clipped otherwise their attitude may destroy Karachi. We have to be responsible for our own actions.

[hanibal]

@burqaposhx

MQM behavior should not be looked at without considering Karachi's political history. Remember folks, we are talking about "political" history here. And this is no way a condemnation of Urdu speaking community as a whole.

Karachi politics was traditionally dominated by two strains. One was Jamat Islami and the second was the Shina Sunni struggle that kind of came along with immigrants from their Indian homelands.

Jamat Islami had total dominance in Karachi, and JI used its terror tactics to cull the opponents from socialist parties. Year and year out, JI would win almost all Urdu speaking seats whereas the same party suffered terrible defeats in the rest of the country. Few exceptions were a seat here or a seat there in the up country.

The second and much more violent streak in Karachi politics came from part religion and part ethnicity. As I said earlier, the immigrants from India brought along serious hatred on Shia Sunni lines. There used to be violent clashes between the two sects pretty much on the same level as modern day sectarian violence in Kurram agency.

Urdu speaking community also harbored strong dislike of Pashtun bus drivers and such feelings boiled over in anti-Pashtun riots after a little girl was run over by a bus.

So this was the caldron in which MQM was conceived, given birth to, and raised as a dominant political party in the Sindh.

In fact MQM's very seed came from the violent politics in Karachi's universities and colleges.

Thus considering the background, MQM was destined to use terror to mould its future. In some cases it was deliberate, and in other cases it was merely defensive. MQM has seen many of its workers and leaders ruthlessly killed, and yes MQM has killed its opponents mafia style. In many cases it was a turf war akin to the gang wars of Los Angeles and other American cities.

Guns, drugs, and pure extortion has been used by almost every party in Karachi, and MQM is no exception.

So the intolerance in MQM must be looked at in the backdrop of Karachi's ethnic and sectarian politics, and it should not be singled out as "the violent party".

The conclusion of ur comments is, Entire city of Karachi is has violent nature.

So blamming a single group is not right thing to do.

Keeping above scenario in mind, what is future of the kids in Karachi. Are they going to grow up as killlers and violent? Is there any system which will make any change in the nature of these people? OR it is assumed that all kids have to reap what their elders are sowing?

I don't know about MQMers and other violent groups, all i know, even animals try to give their young ones a better enviornment to florish.

[hanibal]

@thejoke

I like what Burqaposhx wrote. There are a lot of factions in Karachi not just ethnic and political but sectarian and even occupation wise too ie lawyers, transport providers. Each faction ie MQM, PPP,JI, Shia groups, Sunni groups, Pakhtuns, Muhajirs, Public transport providers can call a pretty large strike.

The problem begins when there ia small minor problem ie a bus driver driving at fast speed through a Muhajir area and somehow or another they get hold of him and the conductors and they get a deservedly good beating (if driving fast through populated areas). By luck most bus conductors and drivers are/were pashtuns. So the whole incident is twisted into a Muhajir-Pashtun issue. Individuals are manipulating events and a minor issue becomes a major one. The problem is we dont look to see who is right or wrong but we quickly side with some one from the same ethnicity with us.

The MQM have very low tolerance levels and very violent reactions. they are a group whose power needs to be clipped otherwise their attitude may destroy Karachi. We have to be responsible for our own actions.

Question is, end of day, who pay the price?

I don't think so leaders of all these group are much effected, all what happens is, every day, common man pay the price by giving up his life. Either burnt alive or shot dead or caught into cross-fire.

Have these leaders ever thought of changing the enviornment, i guess they lack this tendency, OR they don't want peace and harmony in the city as it may endanger their positions.

[hanibal]

@Spock

Was this theory of yours concocted and conceived in Nine-Zero by any chance? What happened to the fact that it was Zia-ul-Haq who brought in Pir Sahib (a cabbie at that time) to counter the strongest party, the PPP (which you never mentioned because you were so fixated on Jamatiz and Shias).

Also, how come the only ones receiving Bhatta in Karachi belong to the MQM, and not to the Jamatiz, Shias, or Peepliyaz?

As per my Information ( cannot confirm if it is right or not) Jamatis use to rule Karachi, although they were not involved in Bhata-Khori, niether they were seen burning people alive nor they have ever been accused of mass-murders, still they had some bad attributes attached to their name.

What MQM did, they brought the under-world into upper world, being a political power and head of criminal activities, have created a state within a state kind f thing, to which other parties, like, ANP and others have to resist in order to survive, Iam sure if MQM is disarmed ad disarrayed 70% violence and fear factor of Karachi City will be dissolved right away.

[Mostar95]

@Spock

Was this theory of yours concocted and conceived in Nine-Zero by any chance? What happened to the fact that it was Zia-ul-Haq who brought in Pir Sahib (a cabbie at that time) to counter the strongest party, the PPP (which you never mentioned because you were so fixated on Jamatiz and Shias).

MQM was never able to cut the influence of PPP in Sindh. Karachi was always an anti PPP city even before the birth of MQM.