(())To those who oppose, It is Permissible to say Ya Muhammad as for what Sahabah did

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subhanAllah Ahmed G.

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May Allah keep us steadfast to Islam, and may Allah increase our courage for protecting Islam and to warn others from those who use the name of Islam.

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A.G I have always respected your posts as they are filled(brimfull) with truth and amazing sense of grammer(and now i know you can also Cut people down to size)

Moving on to the topic!

This has been very interesting as We use the word INTERCADE for blessings from Allah. We do not ask from them BUT we do ask through them! And I am not keeping taqayyah here

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whoa, what a tyrannical post! six against one!...how justified! esp in such a topic! chchchch...

now back to the topic:

Originally posted by AhmadG:
**^Uthman son of Hunayf said: I witnessed Rassulallah sallallahu ^layhi wassallam, when a blind man came to him and he complained to the Prophet the loss of his sight. The Prophet said to him: “If you want, remain patient, and if you want I will supplicate to Allah for you (Make Du^a’ for you)”, the blind man said o Prophet of Allah, it has been difficult for me losing my sight, and I have no leader to lead me, the Prophet sallallahy ^alayhi wassallam said: “Bring the Mida’ah and make Wudu’ (Ablution) than pray two rak^as (Rak^atayn) and say: (below is In Arabic, switch to Arabic windows view to read)
"Çááåã Ãäí ÃÓÃáß æÃÊæÌå Åáíß ÈäÈíäÇ ãÍãÏ äÈí ÇáÑÍãÉ¡ "íÇ ãÍãÏ" Åäí ÃÊæÌå Èß Åáì ÑÈí Ýí ÍÇÌÊí áÊÞÖì áí"
That means: “O Allah I ask you and by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad the Prophet of mercy, “O Muhammad” I ask Allah by your virtue to grant me my need” The end of the Hadith. The blind man left with the teachings of the prophet and went and prayed and made the du^a’. ^Uthman Said, “I swear by the name of Allah, that the meeting or session did not take too long, and we did not split until that blind man went and said what the Prophet taught him and he came back as if there was nothing wrong with him”. So he was cured. Imam At-Tabaraniyy said in Mu^jamayhi Al Kabeer (9/17) and As-Sagheer (201): “This is a Sahih Hadith”.

So this Hadith is a proof that it is permissible to make tawwassul by the Prophet during his life and after his death. Tawassul is seeking the help from Allah by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad and the evidence for that are in thousands of ahadiths of sahabah that did that... And that Hadith also proves that it is permissible to say Ya Muhammad. Why? Because prophet Muhammad taught the sahabiy to say Ya Muhammad, and he taught him tawassul, as he told him to say “..O Muhammad I ask Allah by your virtue to grant my need.”.. So do we listen to a man who knows nothing about fiqh and leave the sayings and doings of the Prophet and the Sahabah.

Grave worshipping is haram and not accepted. But going to the grave of Prophet Muhammad and making tawwassul or any true scholar of Islam, asking Allah to grant them their need by their great virtue is not grave worshipping **

first of all, tawassul! Please dont invent MEANINGS!!! if tawassul was so important why did things like breaking up of the shia/sunni sects occur? ALl a sahaba had to do was pray to the prophet to pray to ALlah and it would have been all perfect!!
Secondly, IF i look at this from your point of view, that is IF, the hadith above, is only true during the LIFE of MOHAMMED, not after his death! Anything I perform, or act in taht wasnt done during the PROPHETS" LIFE is known as biddah. As for the prayer TO ALLAH THROUGH Mohammed, I only know of teh DUROOD-E-SHARIF that has ANY connection between ALLAH and his messenger....

AS for graveworshipping,plz clarify wether you are for it or against it, especially in the case of tawassul and the Prophets grave. I've tried to sort out your thougths, but dont want to rush and make assumptions, therfore clarify please.

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Bissmillah wassallallahu ^ala Rassulillah..

In Al-Mu^jam Al-Kabir and Al-Mu^jam As­Saghir, Imam at-Tabaraniyy related the hadith about the Prophet from the route of ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf who was in a circle with the Prophet when a blind man came to address Prophet Muhammad, sallallahu alayhi wa sallam:

The blind man addressed the Prophet by saying, "O Prophet of Allah, ask Allah for me to cure my blindness." The Prophet replied by saying, "If you wish, you would be patient with your calamity, and if you wish, I will ask Allah to cure your blindness."

However, the blind man told the Prophet: "The loss of my sight is a great hardship for me, and there is no one near to guide me around."

At this moment, the Prophet ordered the man to go to the place where al-wudu' would be performed, perform al­wudu', pray two rak^ah, end his salat by saying as-salamu ^alaykum, and then say the following words:

which mean: <> The blind man went and did as the Prophet ordered. Shortly thereafter, he returned to the Prophet's session with his blindness cured.

Then, after the death of the Prophet, and during the time of the caliphate of ^Uthman Ibn ^Affan, a man came to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf. This man complained to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf about a matter which he needed to be fulfilled through the caliph, but which was not being fulfilled. ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered the man to go to the place where al-wudu' would be performed, perform al-wudu', perform two rak^ah, and after saying as­salam to say the following words: 'O Allah, I ask You and I direct myself to You in supplication by our Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Mercy. O Muhammad, I direct myself to Allah by you, so my need [specify need] would be fulfilled.

^Uthman Ibn Hunayf told him to return after doing this, and they would go together to the caliph. This man went and performed what ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf ordered him to do. However, instead of returning to ^Uthman Ibn Hunayf, he elected to go on his own to the caliph--which he did. When he reached the door of the caliph, the gateman took him by the hand to the caliph. ^Uthman Ibn ^Affansat him on a carpet next to him and asked him, "What is your need that you wanted fulfilled? I forgot all about it until just now." The man informed the caliph about his need, which he fulfilled. The caliph told him, "Whenever you have a need, come to me and I will satisfy it for you."

It is because of the prayer this man performed, and the du^a' that he made--asking Allah for his need by the Prophet--that Allah made the heart of the caliph move towards fulfilling the need of that man. This prayer and the du^a' afterwards in which one is asking Allah to fulfill a need is called 'Salat al-Hajah'. Let the one who has a need: perform al-wudu', pray two rak^ah, and then say that du^a' as mentioned, and in sha' Allah, his need will be fulfilled.

This hadith was narrated by many scholars of hadith. Some of them related the part of the hadith which occurred during the lifetime of the Prophet, and some narrated both parts of the hadith, i.e., the part which took place during the lifetime of the Prophet and the part which took place after his death and during the caliphate of Sayyidina ^Uthman Ibn ^Affan. Imam at­Tabaraniyy is among those scholars who narrated the entire hadith, in both parts--the part that took place during the life of the Prophet, as well as the part that took place after the death of the Prophet. After narrating that hadith, he said, "The classification of this hadith is sahih."

This hadith carries the proof that it is permissible in Islam for one to ask Allah for things by the Prophet during the lifetime of the Prophet and after the death of the Prophet. Hence, there is no difference in the permissibility of asking Allah for things by the Prophet, whether done during the lifetime of the Prophet or after his death. The scholars of Ahl as-Sunnah wal Jama^ah said that it is permissible to make that tawassul during the lifetime of the Prophet and after his death. Knowing that, one concludes that the claim of some people that it is not permissible to ask Allah for things except by he who is alive and present, is something which is rejected.

The first person to make this false claim was a man who lived some 600 years ago, by the name of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah. This man falsely stated that it is not permissible to ask Allah for things except by he who is alive and present. This is wrong! It is contrary to what is stated in the rules of the Religion of Islam. During the time of Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah, scholars of Ahl as-Sunnah refuted his argument, and as a result his false claim did not spread at that time. However, some 200 years ago, a man named Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Wahhab emerged in a place in the Arabian Peninsula called Najd which the Prophet dispraised. Al-Bukhariyy related a hadith about the Prophet in which he said:

This means: <> The Prophet conveyed the truth. Many tribulations and sedition have occurred from that region. Among the most recent was this man by the name ofMuhammad Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab. Muhammad Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab followed Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah in the aforementioned case and in other cases as well. He started repeating the false statement of Ibn Taymiyah that it is not permissible for one to ask Allah for things except by he who is alive and present. This rule has no foundation whatsoever in the Religion of Allah. Rather, this rule and this statement were innovated by Ahmad Ibn Taymiyah­­an innovation of misguidance.

As a result of their stubbornness and arrogance, the leaders of the Wahhabiyyah movement rejected the part of the hadith which signifies the man asking Allah for things by the Prophet, after the Prophet's death. The great scholars of Ahl as-Sunnah told these people that the scholars classified that entire hadith as sahih, i.e., the part that took place during the lifetime of the Prophet and the part that took place after his death. Hence, one must reject the false claim of Ibn Taymiyah and Muhammad Ibn ^Abdul-Wahhab,because it stands against the sayings of those reliable and dependable scholars of hadith. Al­Hafidhat­Tabaraniyy narrated that hadith, among others, including al-Hafidh al-Bayhaqiyy and al-Hafidhas­Subkiyy and al­Hafidhal-^Ala'iyy; they all classified it as sahih. The status of those huffadh, i.e., their high knowledge and high level in the Science of Hadith,is a case of unanimous agreement among the scholars of Islam.

However, those Wahhabis, in an attempt to back their stubbornness and their false claim, rejected the sahihhadith of the Prophet; may Allah protect us from such misguidance. They refuted and rejected that which was proved to be mentioned by the Companions. It is obvious they are not following a correct methodology on their part. What is correct is for one to follow the path of the Prophet and the path of his Companions. One must adhere to that which the Prophet prescribed, and that which was put forth by the Companions, and one does not adhere to the example of someone deluded about things.

There are other ahadith that stand as a proof to the validity and the correctness of the statements of Ahl as­Sunnah...

So, that's the clarification for that taken from where? from the Ahadith that are approved by the scholars. So, we are following the Prophet, Sahabah and true scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah, for those who oppose, who are they following?!!

I will expand this post insha'llah later.. But whatever mentioned should clear enough for those who oppose and of doubt.

And Allah Knows best.

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Read In Sunan Abi Dawood ÍÏíË 1375 :

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Is that reference not enough?!, It's saying that the Prophet taught the blind man to say Ya Muhammad and to make tabarruk by the Prophet.

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Also read the same hadith in Musnad Ahmad
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Hadith: 16604
Also Hadith: 16605

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Also Hadith ibn Hunayf.
That hadith is saying that it is permissible to say Ya Muhammad and to make tabarruk by the Prophet.

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ameen

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tawassul or not!..it is repeated in the QURAN many times to only ONLY ask ALLLAH the CREATOR for help..........NOTHING, NOONE,else!! how hard is tath to understand?????

the prophet(s) including mOHAMMAD has been declared a normal human being made by ALLAH to be his messenger in the QURAN many times!!...how hard is that to understand????

sheeesh...

Yesterday is history,
Tommorow is a mystery,
Today is a gift,
That's why we call it PRESENT!

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you are doing a great jihad brother Ahmed G!

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yes he is azam,,,,and that is why im still not practicing tawassul....dangggit.....try and atleast prevent from biddah....the least you can do is stop promoting such ideas..

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Promoting Ideas?!!
We are only mentioning what Sahabah did! what the Prophet taught them to do! Could you read ?! Read and see how the Prophet taught to ask Allah. Who's telling you to ask other than Allah? It's always to ask Allah, but if you want, you can ask Allah [by the virtue of the Prophet] and for the great status of the Prophet Allah will grant you your need because of Prophet Muhammad. Why? because he is the best of Allah's creations! Yes he is a human being but the best of them. He used to be the most worshiper, pious and obediant to Allah.

If you need more info, I will explain, if you don't understand, I will clarify but don't go arund saying it so and so from no where.

Knowledge, Knowledge, Knowledge is the only way for you to know. Not reading, reading, and reading. You need to learn from those who learned from people that fear Allah who did the same.. That's how one can assure that he has the right creed.

I ask Allah to grant us the intercession of Prophet Muhammad on the day of judgment.

<<>> Learning the Obligatory Knowledge of the Religion puts the Muslim on the road for excellence and self-betterment. Acquire The Islamic Knowledge!!

Ahmad/Islamic Studies

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ok ahmad, i see where you're coming from......now my question is:

how do you perform tawassul???
do i say, AYE ALLAH MOHAMMAD (PBUH) KAY WASTEY HAMEY BAKSH DEY???

is this the way,,,,or during prayer..moreover, ahmad, how do you, personally perform tawassul???

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It's good to ask!

How do Ahlus-Sunnah make tawassl?
Well you know that no one can do anything that opposes the religion, and no one can say anything that affects the religion in which the scholars did not approve upon. For tawassul, as I have been saying that you do what the Prophet taught:

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So I say: O Allah grant me Paradise by the virute of Prophet Muhammad. That's all what is mentioned in the hadith, and that's how the Prophet taught. Now, if Allah willed, your Du^a' will be accepted because of Allah's mercy on to you, where Prophet Muhammad was the wassillah and he is al Wassilah, is it not? How could you reach Allah's mercy without the following and loving the Prophet? you can't.

And Allah knows best.

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OK....I see...wasilla? hmm...

And when My slaves ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning Me, then (answer them), I am indeed near (to them by My Knowledge). I respond to the invocations of the supplicant when he calls on Me (without any mediator or intercessor). So let them obey Me and believe in Me, so that they may be led aright. (Al-Baqra 186)

Say: Call on those whom you assert besides Him, so they shall not control the removal of distress from you nor (its) transference. Those whom they call upon, themselves seek the means of access to their Lord-- whoever of them is nearest-- and they hope for His mercy and fear His chastisement; surely the chastisement of your Lord is a thing to be cautious of. (Al-Isra 56-57)

this so far is for wasilla and partially tawassul ...plz read each adn every word before replying....thank you.

also, the only evident connection between the ummah, the prophet, and ALLAH is Durood Sharif...which does NOT mean anything but asking for mercy for the ummah of the prophet as was asked for the lineage of Ibrahim.....

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Masha’llah, beatiful verses from Al Qur’an, but only if you mentioned their meaning as a scholar interperted not as you did. A scholar such as al Bukhary and Muslim. Well looks like I not only need to clarify and put the references for you, but also to buy approved books of these Scholars that mention that Tawassul is acceptable. I don’t mind bying you these books such as al Bukhary and Muslim, but that’s your task to find out.

Al Bukhary mentioned in his book about at-Tawassul and he read that verse more than you did, and he would not oppose that by any chance. As he mentioned the hadith that I mentioned in his book. Since you are not taking Al Bukhary’s hadith nor the rest of scholars into considertaion, I will say: Know that it’s not you who finds out what’s Halal and Haram, it’s the Scholars as they are more knowledgable of the Qur’an and haiths than you and me. Read in Al bukhary the hadith of tawassul and in which the Prophet teaches the Sahabiyy to say O Muhammad.. And to make tawassul.

Read these links from the following references (They are from the Original books, not translated the way one desires!):
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þþ(((þ Ãä )))þ ÑÌáÇ þ þÖÑíÑ ÇáÈÕÑ þ þÃÊì ÇáäÈí þ þÕáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã þ þÝÞÇá ÇÏÚ Çááå Ãä íÚÇÝíäí ÞÇá þ þÅä ÔÆÊ ÏÚæÊ æÅä ÔÆÊ ÕÈÑÊ Ýåæ ÎíÑ áß ÞÇá þ þÝÇÏÚå ÞÇá ÝÃãÑå Ãä íÊæÖà ÝíÍÓä æÖæÁå æíÏÚæ ÈåÐÇ ÇáÏÚÇÁ þ(((þ Çááåã )))þ Åäí ÃÓÃáß þ(((þ æÃÊæÌå )))þ Åáíß ÈäÈíß þ þãÍãÏ þ þäÈí ÇáÑÍãÉ þ þÅäí þ þþ(((þ ÊæÌåÊ )))þ Èß þ þÅáì ÑÈí Ýí ÍÇÌÊí åÐå þ þáÊÞÖì þ þáí þ(((þ Çááåã )))þ þ þÝÔÝÚå þ þÝí þ
þÞÇá þ þÃÈæ ÚíÓì þ þåÐÇ þ þÍÏíË ÍÓä ÕÍíÍ ÛÑíÈ þ þáÇ äÚÑÝå ÅáÇ ãä åÐÇ ÇáæÌå ãä ÍÏíË þ þÃÈí ÌÚÝÑ æåæ ÇáÎØãí þ þæÚËãÇä Èä ÍäíÝ þ þåæ ÃÎæ þ þÓåá Èä ÍäíÝ "

Can you read Arabic? íÇ ãÍãÏ O Muhammad!! So who should the millions of Muslims follow now, you who came that verse that is misunderstood and misinterpreted, or these Scholars who know more than any scholar ever did in now a days, who took these evidence from Al Hadith As-Sharif?! Of course from the scholars.

So there’s the explanation of that from the scholars! Do you still follow your opinion and leave these scholars? if so that’s it, end of discussion. Otherwise adhere to it for God’s sake. End of discussion.

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but none of these are from sahih BUKHARI.....only muslim/musnad....not BUKHARI....

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Is that best you could say! Subhanallah.

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yes, that is the best i can say buddy…because your whole argument revolves around BUKHARI…did you notice that? you kept telling me in your previous post how un willing i am towards SAHIH HADITHS AND SAHIH BUKHARI…and when you started to name some of the references…SAHIH BUKHARI was nowhere to be found…

oh by the way,the links are not working…

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Ok, read than in:

  • Sunan At-Trimithy Hadith Number: 3502
  • Sunan Ibn Majah Hadith Number: 3502
  • Musnad Ahmad Hadith Number: 16604 and 16605

They all narrate the hadith I mentioned proving that the Prophet taught the blind man to say Ya Muhammad. I hope you are not trying to say that these scholars are not enough to convince "You"!

That hadith is not the only proof though, Al Bukhary has related in Al Adab Al Mufrad as follows: “Abu Nu^aym reported to us said that Sufyan reported from Aby Is-haq from Abdur-Rahman son of Sa^d said: “Once the son of ^Umar had his foot numbed (Khadirat), a man said to him: mention the most beloved man to you, the son of ^Umar said: Ya Muhammad” The End. Than that numbness was gone. And Al Bukhary has mentioned this hadith under the title: “what to say when a man’s leg is numb”. And for that, we say would a sane person say that the son of ^Umar is a kaffir because he said “Ya Muhammad” even without the Prophet being there? No.

And to whomever thinks that to say ya Muhammad is not allowed what do you say about this great sahabiyy the son of ^Umar who said “Ya Muhammad”?!. And this Hadith has also been reported by Ibn As-Sunni in his book “^amal alyawm wal-Laylah” and the leader of the wahhabies, who contradict themselves all the time, ibn taymiah has also said that it is a hassan hadith and he mentioned it in his book called “Al Kalim At-Tayib” which means the good speech, and he put “Ya Muhammad”.!!

Al-Hafith Abu Nu^aym has reported in “Al-Hulya” and Ibn Aj-Jawziyy in “Safwat As-Safwah” and Muhammad Al-Murtada Az-Zabiydiyy in his book “It-haf As-Saddah Al Muttaqeen” That Khubayb bin ^Uday may Allah be pleased with him that when he was brought to be killed, after mentioning two stanzas of poem He said: “Ya Muhammad”! Than the Kuffar killed him.

Here’s an addition to your certainties brothers and sisters, which what was narrated by Ibn Al Atheer in “Al Kamil” and Ibn Katheer in “Al Bidayah wan-Nihayah” that at the time of Sayfal-llah Khalid Bin Al Waleed, may Allah be pleased with him, during the war against Musaylamah Al Kathab, the poets of Khalid bin Al waleed used to say “Ya Muhammadah” and that call has been accepted by a lot of the companions then. So, Khalid said Ya Muhammad and also his army followed him and said so for the barakah, would that not be a proof that this great army agreed onto what Khalid may Allah be pleased with him ordered? Knowing that his army was from Al Huffath (The memorizers of the Hadith of the Prophet) and from the scholars and from the Badriyyeen (The ones who witnessed badr, they call them Badriyyeen) and on that are the sahabah and also the ones who came after them whom were gracious. Also Khalid Bin Al waleed during his batteles, he used to always put one of the hairs of Prophet Muhammad in his Islamic Trubon infront of his forehead and he once could not find it, he asked his army to keep searching for it until they find it and he said: I have never wore this hair and lost. Every time he wears that Turbon that had the the hair, Allah always granted him victory. And that’s how they used seek Barakah from the Prophet.

All of this prooves what Ahlus-Sunnah say. Need I say more?