(())To those who oppose, It is Permissible to say Ya Muhammad as for what Sahabah did

Praise be to Allah, and may Allah raise the rank of the master of all Prophets and the seal of the messengers, Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhy wa ^ala Alihy wassallam.

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First of all, Brothers and Sisters know that Calling Prophet Muhammad “Ya Muhammad” is lawful and very acceptable in Islam and that asking Allah by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad to grant you your needs is also lawful. Because by doing that you are not worshipping Prophet Muhammad nor are you calling him with a name that does not befit him. And to call your father with “ya”? Yes you can, “ya” means “O”. And everyone does that.

In the Arabic language the word ya or o is used whenever directing speech to a person as well and it’s used a lot. Also, no one said from sahabah that you cannot “say Ya Muhammad” nor did they say that it’s not recommended to say. And this will be proven later insh’llah.

For, Al Bukhary has related in Al Adab Al Mufrad as follows: “Abu Nu^aym reported to us said that Sufyan reported from Aby Is-haq from Abdur-Rahman son of Sa^d said: “Once the son of ^Umar had his foot numbed (Khadirat), a man said to him: mention the most beloved man to you, the son of ^Umar said: Ya Muhammad” The End. Than that numbness was gone. And Al Bukhary has mentioned this hadith under the title: “what to say when a man’s leg is numb”. And for that, we say would a sane person say that the son of ^Umar is a kaffir because he said “Ya Muhammad” even without the Prophet being there? No. So that proves that to say Ya Muhammad is not kuffur and that it is not innovated but what is innovated is what some alleged that it is shirk to say Ya Muhammad!! We tell them, do you think that you are better than Imam ^Umar or his son or as good?!!. No.

And to whomever thinks that to say ya Muhammad is not allowed what do you say about this great sahabiyy the son of ^Umar who said “Ya Muhammad”?!. And this Hadith has also been reported by Ibn As-Sunni in his book “^amal alyawm wal-Laylah” and the leader of the wahhabies, who contradict themselves all the time, ibn taymiah has also said that it is a hassan hadith and he mentioned it in his book called “Al Kalim At-Tayib” which means the good speech, and he put “Ya Muhammad”.!! So know, brothers and sisters that this about Ibn ^Umar is not strange nor nullified and that Muslims did not go astray by doing that and that not only Ibn ^Umar said that, saying Ya Muhammad has been mentioned by a lot of the Honorable Sahabah.

For, the greatest of the companions did mention “Ya Muhammad” to gain benefit and blessings from the Prophet.Al-Hafith Abu Nu^aym has reported in “Al-Hulya” and Ibn Aj-Jawziyy in “Safwat As-Safwah” and Muhammad Al-Murtada Az-Zabiydiyy in his book “It-haf As-Saddah Al Muttaqeen” That Khubayb bin ^Uday may Allah be pleased with him that when he was brought to be killed, after mentioning two stanzas of poem which meant:I do not care when I die Muslim On which side Allah wills for me to dieAnd that is by the will of Allah and if he willed, He will bless…………..

He said: “Ya Muhammad”! Than they Kuffar killed him. An Khubayb is from the Ansar Sahabah those who supported the Prophet, and one of the sahabah that witnessed the great battle of Badr, and it’s known that whomever witnesses the battle of Badr has a great status and that they were informed (Tabsheer) by the Prophet with paradise. The last thing that came out of this companion’s mouth was “ya Muhammad”, and those were his words when he came out of this life and died. Is that not enough for one to be ashamed when one says it’s unlawful to say ya Muhammad?!! The seeker of the truth will find his need. Talking about the true traces from the Prophet and the Sahabah, did they not meet and learn from the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam? Are they not more knowledgeable from the So-called scholars of today? Yes indeed they are. So should the doing of that Sahabiyy be left because of the comment and objection of a person who does not know the fiqh?! Subhanaka Raby Lakal-Amru wa Ilaykal-Masseer.

That proof mentioned is enough to clarify that. But here’s an addition to your certainties brothers and sisters, which what was narrated by Ibn Al Atheer in “Al Kamil” and Ibn Katheer in “Al Bidayah wan-Nihayah” that at the time of Sayfal-llah Khalid Bin Al Waleed, may Allah be pleased with him, during the war against Musaylamah Al Kathab, the poets of Khalid bin Al waleed used to say “Ya Muhammadah” and that call has been accepted by a lot of the companions then. So, Khalid said Ya Muhammad and also his army followed him and said so for the barakah, would that not be a proof that this great army agreed onto what Khalid may Allah be pleased with him ordered? Knowing that his army was from Al Huffath (The memorizers of the Hadith of the Prophet) and from the scholars and from the Badriyyeen (The ones who witnessed badr, they call them Badriyyeen) and on that are the sahabah and also the ones who came after them whom were gracious. Also Khalid Bin Al waleed during his batteles, he used to always put one of the hairs of Prophet Muhammad in his Islamic Trubon infront of his forehead and he once could not find it, he asked his army to keep searching for it until they find it and he said: I have never wore this hair and lost. Every time he wears that Turbon that had the the hair, Allah always granted him victory. And that’s how they used seek Barakah from the Prophet. That’s another topic though as well.

I ask Allah to make this a blessed Ramadan onto us and onto the builders of this great forum, may Allah reward them. May Allah guide us to follow the route of the Prophet and the Sahabah.

Walhamdulillah Rabil-^alameen.


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Ahmad/Islamic Studies

Ahmad G,

You said bukhari reported this? What volume # give us all the details, please. I can make up a hadiths and relate it to bukhari or Muslim, would that make it right?

What is meaning of "ya" in arabic?

The incedent you have mentioned, did that took place after the death of MOhammad or before.

Saying "ya" MOhammad just sound disrespectful. I do not want to call prophet of Allah with "eih Mohammad" or "O MOhammad"

Tell me something, pretending that your fathers name is khalid: Would you call him "ya khalid or O Khalid??"

Take it easy.


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Originally posted by Ahmad G:
**“Abu Nu^aym reported to us said that Sufyan reported from Aby Is-haq from Abdur-Rahman son of Sa^d said: “Once the son of ^Umar had his foot numbed (Khadirat), a man said to him: mention the most beloved man to you, the son of ^Umar said: Ya Muhammad” The End. Than that numbness was gone. And Al Bukhary has mentioned this hadith under the title: “what to say when a man’s leg is numb”.

For, the greatest of the companions did mention “Ya Muhammad” to gain benefit and blessings from the Prophet.Al-Hafith Abu Nu^aym has reported in “Al-Hulya” and Ibn Aj-Jawziyy in “Safwat As-Safwah” and Muhammad Al-Murtada Az-Zabiydiyy in his book “It-haf As-Saddah Al Muttaqeen” That Khubayb bin ^Uday may Allah be pleased with him that when he was brought to be killed, after mentioning two stanzas of poem which meant:I do not care when I die Muslim On which side Allah wills for me to dieAnd that is by the will of Allah and if he willed, He will bless…………..

He said: “Ya Muhammad”! Than they Kuffar killed him. An Khubayb is from the Ansar Sahabah those who supported the Prophet, and one of the sahabah that witnessed the great battle of Badr, and it’s known that whomever witnesses the battle of Badr has a great status and that they were informed (Tabsheer) by the Prophet with paradise. The last thing that came out of this companion’s mouth was “ya Muhammad”, and those were his words when he came out of this life and died. Is that not enough for one to be ashamed when one says it’s unlawful to say ya Muhammad?!! The seeker of the truth will find his need.

That proof mentioned is enough to clarify that. But here’s an addition to your certainties brothers and sisters, which what was narrated by Ibn Al Atheer in “Al Kamil” and Ibn Katheer in “Al Bidayah wan-Nihayah” that at the time of Sayfal-llah Khalid Bin Al Waleed, may Allah be pleased with him, during the war against Musaylamah Al Kathab, the poets of Khalid bin Al waleed used to say “Ya Muhammadah” and that call has been accepted by a lot of the companions then. So, Khalid said Ya Muhammad and also his army followed him and said so for the barakah, would that not be a proof that this great army agreed onto what Khalid may Allah be pleased with him ordered? Knowing that his army was from Al Huffath (The memorizers of the Hadith of the Prophet) and from the scholars and from the Badriyyeen (The ones who witnessed badr, they call them Badriyyeen) and on that are the sahabah and also the ones who came after them whom were gracious. Also Khalid Bin Al waleed during his batteles, he used to always put one of the hairs of Prophet Muhammad in his Islamic Trubon infront of his forehead and he once could not find it, he asked his army to keep searching for it until they find it and he said: I have never wore this hair and lost. Every time he wears that Turbon that had the the hair, Allah always granted him victory. And that’s how they used seek Barakah from the Prophet. That’s another topic though as well.

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Enough with your non-sence, yes you can make up a hadith indeed you can. Why don't you go and check the books of hadith and find out the knowledge of true Muslims, why don't you go and learn from the scholars? go and read Al Bukhary and Muslim but not the wahhaby translations.. read the original ones.. Go and check them, you are the objector not me! I told you what sahabah said with the referneces and with the route of the narration and you are still telling me where did you get this from.. what can I do to you if you are extremely ignorant! I'm not trying to cuss you nor talk agressively but here to defend the Haq. Go learn Learn and know from whom you are learning.. !

I'm not going to spend all night argueing with a stubborn person!! Hasbiallah wani^malwakeel, I've had enough from your fabrications and lies, we've had enough already. Admit to the truth!! Admit that you oppose the sahabah and the Propeht!!

Don't worry, I've got more to come but not for you but for the Borhter Muslims in here that are willing to read and get benefit. But if you are not submitting to the saying of the sahbah next, I will tell you to stop this and go somewhere else and fool them. Not me, not us!!. Inna lillah wa inna Illayhi rahi^oun.

To add to that, proving that our religion is not based on superstitions and lies, what was reported by Sayf from Bishr bin Al Fadeel from Jubayr bin Sakhr bin ^Assim bin ^Umar Bin Al Khattab may Allah be please with him that a man from Muzyanah in the year of Ar-Ramad, his family asked him to slaughter a sheep and said: he said there are none, so they insisted, than he slaughtered a sheep, though he found that its bones were Red, than he said: “Ya Muhammadah”, when he slept he saw in his dream that the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam is saying to him what means: “know (Abshir) by life, deliver my salam to ^Umar and say to him that (Inna ^Ahdy bika wa fi shaded Al ^Aqd, Fal Kays Al Kays Ya ^Umar”.

So he came to ^Umar and said to his servant: allow the messenger of the Messenger, than ^Umar came and the man he told him, ^Umar feared. He mounted the Minbar (Where the Khateeb stands) and said to the people: “I ask you by the name of Allah who guided you to Islam, have you seen from me anything you hate? They said: Allahumma No, and why is that, so he told them about the saying of Al Miziyy and he is Bilal Bin Al Harith…The testification in this, the saying of Bilal Bin Al Harith: “Ya Muhammadah” and no one opposed him or objected to him, so from that we also know that it is permissible to day Ya Muhammad and it is permissible to gain Barrakah from Prophet Muhammad, because if that was wrong, Imam ^Umar would not have silenced and not objected, as he was known for his courage in bidding al Ma^roof and forbidding al Munkar. And it’s permissible to say that during the time of Prophet Muhammad and during our time as well.

Also, seeking blessings from the Prophet is also permissible because we do not worship him nor do we ask Muhammad for help that he will cause and generate, the fact is that we ask Allah by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad may peace be upon him, know that according the many Islamic contexts and proves that Prophets are alive in their graves praying, after their death Allah brings back their soul to where ever they are buried, but they do not come out or eat or drink.. they pray.

And one of the proves to that the Prophet Muhammad is alive in his grave, what was mentioned by Prophet Muhammad sallallahu ^alyhi wassallam what means: “The Prophets are alive in their graves praying” Imam Al Bayhaqiyy said that this is a Sahih hadith in Juz’ “the life of the Prophets” and was it was reported by Al-Hafith ibn Hajar that this hadith is thabit in the book “Fath Al Bary” and this a second hadith related by Al Bayhaqiyy and Al Hakim that the Prophet said what means: “Allah forbade for earth to decay the bodies of the Prophets” and a lot of other Ahadiths that proves the truthfulness of what we say, and also the proof that dead Muslim will hear is clarified from the hadith which means: “No Muslim man whom walks by the grave of his brother Muslim and he knew him in this life and says salam to him, that man will recognize him and will reply back” Al Hafith Abdil-Haq Al Ishbily said that it was a sahih hadith as mentioned in “Al Ithaf” book for Al Zabidy.

And also the proof is clarified for the hearing of the absent the call from far, for, it has been mentioned from Ibn ^abass said: “Prophet Ibrahim ^layhis-Salam stood on the rock and said: O people Allah obligated onto you pilgrimage, everyone was able to hear from the fathers to the mothers and their infants, and answered him whomever believes ……” Ibn Hajar said it is a Sahih Hadith mentioned in “Fath Al Bari”.

What’s strange is that the negates of Tawassul do not see that this hadith is Sahih, in fact they deny it, even though Ibn Hajar who’s worthy, said that it is sahih.So the matter is was as we mentioned, we say: There is nothing strange, that Allah will let the Prophet hear the call of whomever Allah willed and that the person will get the benefit and the reward Insha’llah (by the will of Allah) and that is what complies with the intellect and the what complies with the Shar^ (Religion).

So -whoever opposes!!-, follow that and leave whom opposes the truth and opposed the people of the truth, and be aware of what the people of evil and the people of ignorance say from fabrications and lies that are taken from their so called sheiks.And know that every thing that does not comply with the Qur’an and the Sunnah of the Prophet Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam is not accepted even if it was thousands of things. So be aware brothers and sisters and be cautious for what benefits you, for, the truth is best to be followed.

O Allah We ask you to grant us the Islamic Knowledge and increase it and we seek refuge from the status of the people of Hellfire.

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Tell me something, pretending that your fathers name is khalid: Would you call him “ya khalid or O Khalid??”
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dude, “ya” is arabic and “o” is the same word translated into english !. You are comparing the same word with itself and claiming one is more respectfull than the other !!

For example in the Holy Quran (2.40) you will find the passage starting with ** Ya Banni Israleel…** which translated means ** O children of Israel.. **

IN Surah 8.64 Allah Taala himself addresses the Holy Prophet(Peace be Upon Him) as…

** O Prophet !**

and the arabic text for this surah starts with..

** Ya Ayyo Han-nabiyyo…**.

The love Allah Taala has for The Blessed Prophet (Peace be upon him) is beyond the imagination of any mortal. So I don’t think that Almighty Allah would reffer to His Beloved as ** O Prophet** if it was in any way disrespectful.

Just wanted to clarify that.. feel free to look into these referrences for yourself. As for the rest of the argument.. that is between you and Ahmad G.

And seriousley guys… Its Ramdaan Shareef.. you guys should cool off a little and not use such harsh lingo between yourselves.

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No where in quran did ALlah call Prophet Mohammad with “ya Mohammad” he has called Moses with “Ya musa” and also “ya Maryam” but no where “Ya Mohammad?” If you can get me ONE verse where Allah calls his beloved prophet with such words as “ya Mohammad” I will believe it, other wise to you your deeds and to me my deeds and let Allah be the judge.

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Look man, that is way too much! You are just looking at the truth with your own eyes and you are saying no I can't admit to it because you are rejecting the sayings of the sahabah and there's no way I'm respecting the one who disrespects the sahabah and opposes them.

Are you trying to say that it's disrespect to say Ya Muhammad? just say Muhammad or Ya rassulallah? is so, than it would be disrespet to the rest of the Prophets as Allah said Ya Mussa.. But that's not the case, you are saying that because wahhabies disallow tabarruk. Tell me where in the Qur'an did it say how use Siwak? where did it say that Taraweeh is sunnah? where did the Prophet pray taraweeh in congragation? when did the Prophet put dots to Al Qura'n?!! If Allah did not mention it in Al Qur'an does't mean that it does not exist, because the Prophet mentioned about the siwak.

Because Prophet Muhammad did not pray Taraweeh in congragation, does not make it Haram for us to pray it in congragation, because Sahabah clarifiyed it to us and that was Imam ^Umar Radilallahu ^anhu who called them to pray in congragation. And it was a scholar who put the dots for Al Qur'an and it was Yahaya bin Ya^mur. What do you have to say about that? see how narrow minded you are!. If you now say that you will only follow Al Qur'an, but not the Sunnah, not the Ijma^ the saying of As-Sahabah than you are not a Muslim because if one believes in Qur'an but opposes Hadith and Ijma^ it's jujment is clear. What do you have to say about that?!

Don't worry I will admit for you. This is another topic in which the wahhaby was refuted by the saying of As-Sahabah and scholars as he went following his own opinion. So, we are with the Prophet and with the sahabah, but you, who are you with?!!.

La Quwata Illa billah.

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Originally posted by Arch-Angel:
*Watcher
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Tell me something, pretending that your fathers name is khalid: Would you call him "ya khalid or O Khalid??"
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dude, "ya" is arabic and "o" is the same word translated into english !. You are comparing the same word with itself and claiming one is more respectfull than the other !!

For example in the Holy Quran (2.40) you will find the passage starting with ** Ya Banni Israleel...** which translated means ** O children of Israel.. **

IN Surah 8.64 Allah Taala himself addresses the Holy Prophet(Peace be Upon Him) as...

** O Prophet !**
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bro, don't waste your time, this so-called wacher does not listen and will not accept the truth as everyone saw him.

Take care.

And last but not least, Brothers and sisters look at how the truth will remain rising and shining like the bright sun in a clear cloudless sky.

And wacher, this is not for you and you don't need to read it if you are still willing to argue, because there's no use, You asked for references and there they are, I mentioned Qur’an, mentioned the sayings of the Prophet and mentioned the sahabah. And now we will not accept to hear anything more from you unless you submit to the truth and until you admit with the facts.

Brothers & Sisters We are the followers of Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu ^alayhi wassallam, and his companions may Allah be pleased with them. We do everything that they teach us to do. In this case, Prophet Muhammad taught the sahabah to make tawassul by him and taught them to say Ya Muhammad for barakah, however they did not use to call Prophet Muhammad with his name in front of him they used to call him Ya rassulallah. But they were taught to say Ya Muhammad with his absence. And that will also be proven.

^Uthman son of Hunayf said: I witnessed Rassulallah sallallahu ^layhi wassallam, when a blind man came to him and he complained to the Prophet the loss of his sight. The Prophet said to him: “If you want, remain patient, and if you want I will supplicate to Allah for you (Make Du^a’ for you)”, the blind man said o Prophet of Allah, it has been difficult for me losing my sight, and I have no leader to lead me, the Prophet sallallahy ^alayhi wassallam said: “Bring the Mida’ah and make Wudu’ (Ablution) than pray two rak^as (Rak^atayn) and say: (below is In Arabic, switch to Arabic windows view to read)
"Çááåã Ãäí ÃÓÃáß æÃÊæÌå Åáíß ÈäÈíäÇ ãÍãÏ äÈí ÇáÑÍãÉ¡ "íÇ ãÍãÏ" Åäí ÃÊæÌå Èß Åáì ÑÈí Ýí ÍÇÌÊí áÊÞÖì áí"
That means: “O Allah I ask you and by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad the Prophet of mercy, “O Muhammad” I ask Allah by your virtue to grant me my need” The end of the Hadith. The blind man left with the teachings of the prophet and went and prayed and made the du^a’. ^Uthman Said, “I swear by the name of Allah, that the meeting or session did not take too long, and we did not split until that blind man went and said what the Prophet taught him and he came back as if there was nothing wrong with him”. So he was cured. Imam At-Tabaraniyy said in Mu^jamayhi Al Kabeer (9/17) and As-Sagheer (201): “This is a Sahih Hadith”.

So this Hadith is a proof that it is permissible to make tawwassul by the Prophet during his life and after his death. Tawassul is seeking the help from Allah by the virtue of Prophet Muhammad and the evidence for that are in thousands of ahadiths of sahabah that did that... And that Hadith also proves that it is permissible to say Ya Muhammad. Why? Because prophet Muhammad taught the sahabiy to say Ya Muhammad, and he taught him tawassul, as he told him to say “..O Muhammad I ask Allah by your virtue to grant my need.”.. So do we listen to a man who knows nothing about fiqh and leave the sayings and doings of the Prophet and the Sahabah.

Grave worshipping is haram and not accepted. But going to the grave of Prophet Muhammad and making tawwassul or any true scholar of Islam, asking Allah to grant them their need by their great virtue is not grave worshipping but it sure makes wahhbies happy because they fabricate the name and the weak ones think it’s something un-Islamic. There are some grave worshippers, but everyone knows that only Allah deserves to be worshiped. The stories and the traces of sahabah are numerous that prove that. But one hadith is sufficient to prove the truth.

O Allah guide us to follow your Prophet and the honorable Sahabah, we ask you by the virtue of the Prophet to make this month a gracious and a blessed month. Ameen.


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Ahmad/Islamic Studies

Watcher..
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No where in quran did ALlah call Prophet Mohammad with "ya Mohammad" he has called Moses with "Ya musa" and also "ya Maryam" but no where "Ya Mohammad?" If you can get me ONE verse where Allah calls his beloved prophet with such words as "ya Mohammad" I will believe it, other wise to you your deeds and to me my deeds and let Allah be the judge.
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I agree that no where in the Holy Quran does Allah Taala Refer to the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as 'O Muhammad'. My point in the previous post was that 'YA' and 'O' were the same words with the same meaning.

As for referring to the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) as 'Ya Muhammad' (salal la hu aley hey wa sallam), personally I tend NOT to refer to our Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) by Name, simply because I find it would be a sign of disrespect. It does not matter wether you put a 'YA' in font or not.

No muslim would ever call his/her father by their first name, you always say 'Abba' or 'Dad' or 'Father' or whatever, but NOT by their actual name, because that would be seen as being disrespectful. If you wouldn't dare call your father by his first name.. then I don't think it would be prudent to call our Beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) by name either.

The point I was trying to make in my previous post (and did a pretty lousy job of it !) was that this has nothing to do with the words 'YA' or*'O'*.. the issue here is whether or not,one should address the blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) by his actual name.

I'm not saying that it should Never be done, I'm just saying that out of respect, for the majority of times, we should refere to the blessed Prophet (peace be upon him)
by his attributed names ie 'Ya Rasool-ul-laah'(peace be upon him).

I can't provide any references from Hadith or the Holy Quran about this issue, only that as you (watcher) mentioned that Allah Taala has never directly address the Blessed Prophet (peace be upon him) as ** 'Ya Muhammad'** and so neither should we.


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I totally agree with you Brother Ahmed G

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All I have to say is this:

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Surah 2, verse# 139.
Say, [O Mohammad], “Do you argue with us about Allah while He is our Lord and your Loard? ** For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. And we are sincere [in deed and intention] to Him”**

Surah 28, Verse# 55.
And when they hear ill speech, the turn away from it and say, “For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. Peace will be upon you[you are secure from being treated in a like manner by us]; WE SEEK NOT THE IGNORENT.”

Surah 42, Verse# 15.

So to that [religion of Allah] invite, [O Mohamad](another meaning understood from the arabic is “so because of that [division and sepration into sects], invite [them back to Allah]…”) and remain on a right course as you are commanded and do not follow their inclination but say, "I have believed in what Allah has revealed of scripture *, and I have been commanded to do justice among you. Allah is our lord and your lord. For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. There is no [need for] argument between us and you. Allah will bring us together, and to Him is the [final] destination."

Ba-bye.

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Shias practice something called “taqiyyah”(concealment of truth, lying).>**“Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” **<(Al-Kafi vol.9)

“A believer who does not dissimulate(lying) is like a body without a head.”<(Tafseer al-Askari) - And they have many more self-created lies and practices which contradict with Quran and sunnah.
Above listed material in “bold” from shia hadith books contradicts with the teachings of Quran and Sunnah here:
Allah states in the Quran: “Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur’an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse.” (2:159) And the statement of the Prophet (s.a.w) who said: “Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement.” (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
You be the judge, who is right, their lies or word of Allah and Mohammad(pbuh)!!!*

bingo

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Watcher is a BS artist..thats all he is..his signature is full of BS..he has got nothing better to do then BS..God, please show such morons the path to the truth

Watcher.

AOA

There is mistake in your last post!!!

At the end you forgot to say **Take It easy ** which I think is fast becoming your trademark as

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for cool guy

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but seriously I am following this discussion and thank everyone for providing a great opportunity to supplement one’s knowledge.

Allah hafiz

and Take it easy.

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Hey Ahmad G, I checked your pathetic hadiths, they are all fake, fabricated. Its ramazan man, shame on you. You couldn’t stop your self from lying in this holy and glorious month? Its sad to see, how people like you lie and deceive others.

Take it easy.

PS: Mod, I do not want to drop down to the low level of Sherazz, could you please ask him to remove his-like signatures. I guess, lying is his profession now. Oh, well. Good for him, but please ask him not to drop so low. Thanks.

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V~V~VHe came, He saw, He conqueredV~V~V**


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Shias practice something called “taqiyyah”(concealment of truth, lying).>**“Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah (dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion.” **<(Al-Kafi vol.9)

“A believer who does not dissimulate(lying) is like a body without a head.”<(Tafseer al-Askari) - And they have many more self-created lies and practices which contradict with Quran and sunnah.
Above listed material in “bold” from shia hadith books contradicts with the teachings of Quran and Sunnah here:
Allah states in the Quran: “Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur’an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse.” (2:159) And the statement of the Prophet (s.a.w) who said: “Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement.” (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
You be the judge, who is right, their lies or word of Allah and Mohammad(pbuh)!!!*

watcher have u ever agreed with anyone elses references..i notice after a very very short period of time u come back with another post and telling others “oh i have checked ur references they are all fabricated” ..

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man i would hope it takes long to check references from different books..what do u say Mr B.S.

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first u get rid of ur BS signature..many people proved u that these things are all wrong but u got nothing better to say thats why u wanna repeat the same thing..but its not making it convincing ..take it easy

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Watcher is a BS artist..thats all he is..his signature is full of BS..he has got nothing better to do then BS..God, please show such morons the path to the truth

[This message has been edited by Sherazz (edited November 30, 2000).]

very true bro

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True.