Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
If not cleared: This thread is about self hating by including oneself in to the criminal groups while using words like “us”, “we” and “our”.
It is not by any means constructive criticism when those who have nothing to do with criminals are dragged day in and day out and are being lumped summed with wrong people.
Muslims and Pakistanis by and large are peaceful.
**And this fact needs to be acknowledged more often than not. Especially by those who claim to be Pakistanis or Muslims. **
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This thread reminds me of those right-wing Zionist websites which call people self-haters all over the place..
Name-calling, deciding who’s a “real” Jew (or in this case Muslim) and the intent to silence any criticism or shut up those who don’t toe the line..
Fighting over the use of random words like “we” (which by the way could mean my husband and I, my family, us and the dog, those in our town etc etc, it does NOT need to mean “everyone” ).. Again this tactic tends to be used by right-wingers and last but not least how can people who CLEARLY speak out against ISIS be supporters of them in contrast to those who keep quiet???
Some of the arguments in this thread completely defy logic.. but then again there are few who love running around in circles typing absolute rubbish hoping if they repeat themselves enough times people might actually believe them..
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
People use the “we” term, because they are culturally related to those committing atrocities. They might even comprehend, and once upon a time, condone such atrocities.
I see Pakistani mobs burning religious minorities, and I fully comprehend the thought process behind it. I know people who would condone the thought process, but condemn the actions. (When in reality you can not have one without the other)
Its only natural to use the we term. Doesnt mean there is any self-hatred involved.
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Human rights violations are quite common in most muslim nations. ISIS and the likes are just the tip of the ice berg. The real issues lies within the societies which help nurture the fascist thought process behind the atrocities committed by the likes of ISIS. Then you can conviniently say, “its not us”, because some lunatics actually act upon the thought process.
Condemn the actions, condone the thought process. Ie "slavery is permissable, but there are certain rules.. " Instead of just saying outright slavery is barbaric, no matter which form it takes.
Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…
Whether you’d like to believe it or not…there are crimes being committed against humanity by people who not only claim to be Muslim but use Islam to justify those crimes. That is the reason why threads like yours exist…the need to say who’s a Muslim and who’s not.
Re: being a Muslim. Islam is a justice system…meaning within this very religion you will find rules that punish Muslims who commit crimes. Not every crime makes someone a non-Muslim.
Re: being a Pakistani. Not all Pakistanis are Muslims. And within every country you will find different schools of thought in reference to a multitude of topics. Not all of their opinions will jive with yours or even be found agreeable to all. What does that mean? They should be shot? Hung? Silenced?
If someone is ashamed of being Pakistani, let them be. Tolerate it because that is the one thing missing in Pakistanis: tolerance for differences.
Do you think everyone that lives in the US is proud to be an American? No. We have all kinds of people who live here yet hate the people here…what should their punishment be?
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Claim from anyone to be Muslim does not mean the person is Muslim. Yes. It’s that simple. Does NOT require anyone to be extra qualified in religious knowledge.
You said “use islam”.
If a non-Muslim uses Islam and portrays himself/herself to be Muslim to commit crimes, would you accept him or her being Muslim?
Maybe you would, but that will make you a naive and gullible person.
Wrong example.
One has to be proved to be Muslim before ANY justice can be applied in Islamic System
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What real proof can you provide ISIS type of people are Muslims? Let’s see what you come up with.**
Absolutely no idea what you are saying.
I never claimed ALL Pakistanis are Muslims.
I always talked about vast majority Pakistanis and that would include Majority Muslims and Non-Muslims living peacefully in Pakistan.
But the thread is not about minority non-Muslims in Pakistan.
Both the media and self hating pathetic, self claimed Muslims or Pakistanis do not talk about minority non-Muslims when they say “we”, “our”, or “our own”. They target majority Muslims.
You are totally off there.
I never asked anyone NOT to be ashamed of himself/herself.
You are making it up.
The problem is that these depressed, self hating and pathetic thought holders include all others in those thoughts and eventually disgrace the whole nation of Pakistanis or Muslims.
Their treatments lies in visiting psychiatrist at least IMHO.
But the moment any American says ‘we’ or ‘us’ to include the criminals who are not even Americans, it will be met with opposition like mine.
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It is very obvious and interesting, whomever I ask a question or two, that person disappears like…You know what, and avoids answering direct and clear question.
Let’s see who answers so many questions I posed so far. Exactly the way they were asked without hanky panky.
There are some gullible and mindless Pakistanis and Muslims who think criminals like ISI, Boko Haram or any other terrorists are Muslims (), who are nether Muslims nor Pakistanis.
These Pakistanis and Muslims are brainwashed through constant bombardment of biased media.
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ISIS, Boko Haram and the likes are just the tip of the berg. And they are just acting upon the mindset and thought process which already exist in their societies. They don’t appear out of the blue and start committing these atrocities. We need to recognize this, before we can start finding solutions to the problem. Merely saying, this is not us, is not going to cut it.
We share the same type of upbringing, with the same type of moral and “theological” values. What do you think makes these people tick? Why is it so easy to incite mobs in Pakistan to commit atrocities against religious minorities, who have presumably committed blasphemy? Are these actions just the result of “a few minutes madness”, or is the resentment against the “impure” non-muslims already deeply rooted in their mind, beforehand?
Can this resentment, in one form or another, be witnessed in people who are not committing atrocities against religious minorities? Personally, I have witnessed it enough times, to call it OUR problem.
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Well, I am of Pakistani origin, and the sole reason why I criticize these aspects of muslim societies, is because I want these societies to progress towards putting much more emphasis on human rights. Only then can these societies actually compete with the western ones, on all fields.
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You did not read my post(s) carefully.
You brought “cultural relationship” as an argument to support your wrong idea as if Pakistanis have something in relation to ISIS or Boko Haram or talibans type of people.
I posted answer to that and asked what do YOU as YOU IN PERSON feel that they are related to you culturally.
You wrote: " I am of a Pakistani origin". You are deliberately trying to fool the readers by saying that.
Why?
Large majority of Pakistanis have nothing to do with ISIS people (Arabic origin), Boko Haram (Nigerians) or Talibans (from a small area of Northern Pakistan close to Afghanistan).
So there. **Your attempt to try to lump sump ALL Muslims and ALL Pakistanis (Muslims) is plain and simple hogwash. Try again. You will fail miserably.
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You used words like “we” and “us”.
You missed my post earlier which simply said **if YOU use word like “we” and “us” when talking about criminals, YOU are included in those criminals. **
Learn English if confused about what I said.
YOU are including YOURSELF in to those criminals and terrorists by using those words.
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And …YOU are among those terrorists, to put is bluntly by using those words. YOU self incriminated and admitting to it.
This the essence of my thread.**
No one gives you the right for speaking for anyone else.
Speak for yourself.
When you said “we”,.. it means YOU are the one who were brought up with this kind of upbringing. I sincerely pity you. Sorry.
Are you one of those mob or holding resentment against non-Muslims?
You MUST be by saying what you said earlier.
If not, then talk about yourself. Do not say “we”, “our” and “our own” and make readers get confused of who YOU really are and included in the mob.
).. Again this tactic tends to be used by right-wingers and last but not least how can people who CLEARLY speak out against ISIS be supporters of them in contrast to those who keep quiet??? 
