To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims...

[muqawwee123]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

iss thread ke anjaam pe rona aaya

yash ChopRa ki ‘Lamhe’ yaad aa gai. First half main superb, second half main boring

But at the end, all is well if the end is well.

Moral of the story: We can’t change others views. hum sab dheet hain

[diwana]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@muqawwee123

iss thread ke anjaam pe rona aaya

yash ChopRa ki ‘Lamhe’ yaad aa gai. First half main superb, second half main boring

But at the end, all is well if the end is well.

Moral of the story: We can’t change others views. hum sab dheet hain

hum?

[P_G]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

muqawwee123^ yash chopra ka pakistan say kia taluq…?
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moral of the story** yeh hay k ..we love pakistan…lakin muhabbat k izhaar main ferq hai…

musbaat soch bhi kissi chirya ka nam hai ..app k baagh main nahi aate ?

[McPendo]

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@KKF

yeh aap beech meN ‘chuski’ lene kahaN se aan TapkiiN?

Pray explain what a “Chuski” is.

[redvelvet]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@McPendo

Pray explain what a “Chuski” is.

he means chaska

[KKF]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@redvelvet

he means chaska

chuskii aur chaskaa do alag alag alfaaz haiN:

chuskii = chheR chaaR karnaa, tafreeH lenaa, to tease
chaskaa = bejaa shauq, kisii cheez kii aadat Daal lenaa, misplaced hobby, habit forming

[redvelvet]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

:hinna:

AcHaA baRaA-e-meHrBaAnI

[P_G]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

^ hahahahhaha…

[KKF]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@redvelvet

:hinna:

AcHaA baRaA-e-meHrBaAnI

nawaazish!

[Southie]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

Hum tUm
Yug yUg ke yAy geEt miLan ke
GaaTe raHe hAin
gAate raHeNge
HUM tum

This is chuSke

[P_G]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

issay kehtay hain thread ka satya naas marna

[Southie]

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@McPendo

Pray explain what a “Chuski” is.

It is not a proper name. Capitalization inappropriate

[Southie]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

Proper NOUN, hum meant to say.

[diwana]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@Ali_Syed

I don’t think I am qualified to label others Muslims or otherwise. The fact remains some people are committing the worst possible atrocities using our religion. It’s our responsibility first of all to recognise, shun and isolate them. When I see around myself there’s a lot of confusion which is an ideal atmosphere for them to thrive. I know that some people do have soft corner for these people. We need to sit back and think if the activities these people are carrying out helping Islam or not.

I believe those people who keep quiet on the atrocities carried out by these people are a partner in crime of those bring disgrace to the religion. Strangely for you those people who are using the name of Islam for nefarious activities are not a disgrace and those speaking against their acts are disgrace. You are entitled to your opinion. I hope I won’t be lynched for mine.

@StrangeOne

I’m not a nabi with divine guidance to cast someone out from being a Muslim. Sorry.
If I start casting out people on my standards then phir Pakistan won’t be a Muslim majority country any more.

You do not need to be extra qualified in religion or nabi to say those people who commit crimes against humanity are NOT Muslims. Regardless of what they say.

Picture of mask men with a banner of Kalima in background are NOT Muslims. Agreed?

[KKF]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

Islamic Qualification to be counted as a Muslim is recitation of Kalma-e-shahaadat. once you do that, you ARE a Muslim. we can NOT judge their status as Muslim or not!

here is a Hadees #26](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=26) [from 40 aHaadees] which narrates:

26. Usama ibn Zayd killed an [enemy] idolater in battle after the latter had said: “There is no god but Allah” (La ilaha illallah). When news of this reached Allah’s Messenger he condemned Usama in the strongest terms and he said to him: “How can you kill him after he said La ilaha illallah?” He replied: “But he said it with the sword hanging over his head-” The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – said again: “How can you kill him after he said La ilaha illallah?” He replied: "O Messenger of Allah, he said it in dissimulation (taqiyyatan)." The Prophet – **Allah bless and greet him – said: “Did you split his heart open (to see)?” **and he did not cease to reprove him until Usama wished that he had not entered Islam until after he had killed that man so that he might have been forgiven all his past sins through belief.

so, those who call a kalmah-go a non-Muslim should think twice in light of this Hadees.

those MUSLIMS who commit crimes against humanity in the name of Religion are considered Muslims and will be punished in the hereafter for the crimes…these crimes, however, DO NOT make him/her a NON-MUSLIM…period!

[diwana]

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@KKF

Islamic Qualification to be counted as a Muslim is recitation of Kalma-e-shahaadat. once you do that, you ARE a Muslim. we can NOT judge their status as Muslim or not!

here is a Hadees #26](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=26) [from 40 aHaadees] which narrates:

26. Usama ibn Zayd killed an [enemy] idolater in battle after the latter had said: “There is no god but Allah” (La ilaha illallah). When news of this reached Allah’s Messenger he condemned Usama in the strongest terms and he said to him: “How can you kill him after he said La ilaha illallah?” He replied: “But he said it with the sword hanging over his head-” The Prophet – Allah bless and greet him – said again: “How can you kill him after he said La ilaha illallah?” He replied: "O Messenger of Allah, he said it in dissimulation (taqiyyatan)." The Prophet – **Allah bless and greet him – said: “Did you split his heart open (to see)?” **and he did not cease to reprove him until Usama wished that he had not entered Islam until after he had killed that man so that he might have been forgiven all his past sins through belief.

so, those who call a kalmah-go a non-Muslim should think twice in light of this Hadees.

those MUSLIMS who commit crimes against humanity in the name of Religion are considered Muslims and will be punished in the hereafter for the crimes...these crimes, however, DO NOT make him/her a NON-MUSLIM…period!

Wrong example and analogy.

Wrong example based on someone who recited kalima even under threat. Nothing in this example shows what he wanted to do AFTER reciting kalima, hence killing him was wrong.

Someone who kills innocent people despite reciting kalima is NOT Muslim.

With your analogy in** red** their matter with Allah then ISIS should not be fought against…is that what you are saying?

Being Muslim is not ever reduced to reciting Kalima only. it requires much more than that. Period. Please get this fact clear.

Do not get fooled by the pictures or videos posted on internet of so called, self proclaimed “Muslims” who do criminal activities.

[KKF]

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@diwana

Wrong example and analogy.

Wrong example based on someone who recited kalima even under threat. Nothing in this example shows what he wanted to do AFTER reciting kalima, hence killing him was wrong.

Someone who kills innocent people despite reciting kalima is NOT Muslim.

With your analogy in** red** their matter with Allah then ISIS should not be fought against…is that what you are saying?

Being Muslim is not ever reduced to reciting Kalima only. it requires much more than that. Period. Please get this fact clear.

well. now, it’s up to you what you wanna believe. you are answerable to your own beliefs and i’m responsible for mine.
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reciting kalima makes you a MUSLIM, committing sins [biggest to smallest] makes you a sinner, punishable by ALLAH or FORGIVABLE by Allah…the door of Tauba is open until the very end of one’s life!**

[diwana]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@KKF

well. now, it’s up to you what you wanna believe. you are answerable to your own beliefs and i’m responsible for mine.
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reciting kalima makes you a MUSLIM, committing sins [biggest to smallest] makes you a sinner, punishable by ALLAH or FORGIVABLE by Allah…the door of Tauba is open until the very end of one’s life!**

With your argument, ISIS should be given chance to do tauba.

Maybe you are confused about someone NOT being Muslim at the time of committing sin in his/her personal life.

But that is very different from these criminals doing bad deeds consistently. They are NOT Muslims, I repeat.

[KKF]

Re: To those who are ashamed of being Pakistanis or related to Pakistan or Muslims…

@diwana

With your argument, ISIS should be given chance to do tauba.

Maybe you are confusd about someone NOT being Muslim at the time of committing sin teaching in Islam in his/her personal life.

But that is very different from these criminals doing bad deeds consistently. They are NOT Muslims, I repeat.

ISIS must be punished in this world. the punishment in the hereafter will be decided by Allah ALONE…we have NO say in this. Tauba part is between ISIS members who kill and Allah…Allah has commanded US to punish the people who cause fitna, kill humans and do other capital punishment crimes.

**YES, anyone who recites Kalima is a MUSLIM whether you or i LIKE it or NOT. i repeat!
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a criminal must be punished in this world. you are confusing between crime [punished in this world] and SIN punishable in this world and/or in the hereafter.

[diwana]

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@KKF

ISIS must be punished in this world. the punishment in the hereafter will be decided by Allah ALONE…we have NO say in this. Tauba part is between ISIS members who kill and Allah…Allah has commanded US to punish the people who cause fitna, kill humans and do other capital punishment crimes.

**YES, anyone who recites Kalima is a MUSLIM whether you or i LIKE it or NOT. i repeat!
**
a criminal must be punished in this world. you are confusing between crime [punished in this world] and SIN [punishable in this world and/or in the hereafter.

No they are NOT.

Man! what kind of Islamic books you read so far telling you just reciting Kalima one can prove to be Muslim?

Did you not read Half Iman is cleanliness? Half Iman! (After reciting Kalima)

Did you not read a muslim is one who does not kill innocent?

Did you not read many many other requirements to be a Muslim?

First you brought wrong hadith.

You keep calling terrorists Muslims.

You finally agreed criminals need to be punished, after I corrected you.

Who’s side are you on?