To set the record straight: the wife must obey her husband

Re: To set the record straight: the wife must obey her husband

I'm not a scholar or an aalim, but if I were reading the translation out of context, my first question would be:

To whom are these pious women being asked to be obedient to, as it is not specified. Isn't Allah asking for obedience to Him and devotion to Him?

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it's to the husband, that's the whole gist of the ayat. The man starts out as being the incharge/maintainer and due to that the woman is bound to be devoted/obdeiant to him.

But you're right in a way. We are all obediant to Allah , man or woman.

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I just got a translation of whole verse. It is not good idea to translate a bit of verse. lets read whole verse completely.

Ch # 4, Verse 34
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allâh has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient (to Allâh and to their husbands), and guard in the husband’s absence what Allâh orders them to guard (e.g. their chastity, their husband’s property). As to those women on whose part you see ill¬conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great

Translation source:
http://quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx

Translator:
Engr-Dr. Mohsin.

Re: To set the record straight: the wife must obey her husband

I don’t know about this beating part being rightly translated. I am FULLY AGAINST any physical violence. If a man wants to fight, pick someone of your own size.

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ٱلرِّجَالُ قَوَّٲمُونَ عَلَى ٱلنِّسَآءِ بِمَا فَضَّلَ ٱللَّهُ بَعۡضَهُمۡ عَلَىٰ بَعۡضٍ۬ وَبِمَآ أَنفَقُواْ مِنۡ أَمۡوَٲلِهِمۡۚ فَٱلصَّـٰلِحَـٰتُ قَـٰنِتَـٰتٌ حَـٰفِظَـٰتٌ۬ لِّلۡغَيۡبِ بِمَا حَفِظَ ٱللَّهُۚ وَٱلَّـٰتِى تَخَافُونَ نُشُوزَهُنَّ فَعِظُوهُنَّ وَٱهۡجُرُوهُنَّ فِى ٱلۡمَضَاجِعِ وَٱضۡرِبُوهُنَّۖ فَإِنۡ أَطَعۡنَڪُمۡ فَلَا تَبۡغُواْ عَلَيۡہِنَّ سَبِيلاًۗ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَلِيًّ۬ا ڪَبِيرً۬ا

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:k:

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*They (women) are raiment (comfort, embellishment and protection) for you, and you (men) are raiment for them. *(Surah al-Baqarah: 2 : 187).

In charge to me means, ALLAH has made man captain of team. A smart captain doesn't chill around and force team to obey him, he sets an example by working hard and then demands some respect. If Captain is misusing his authority teammate can question his authority and if not satisfied change the team.

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why are you so offended on last step. will you go directly on last step.

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and thats the beauty of being a muslim today. Use Islam in pieces and bits for your own convenience. I would have been more impressed if you had quoted some ayaahs in favour of wives right too. Wasnt she the Beloved Prophet Sal Allah o Aleh Wa Alehe Wasalam's wife (Hadrat Aisha Radi Allah Taala Anhu) in whose favour Quran witnessed? And dont go far, take up the books of Ahadees. Is all that you find there are husband's rights? Can you people even TRY to follow the Iswa e Husna of the Beloved Prophet Sal Allah o Aleh Wassalam being such a LOVING, CARING and AFFECTIONATE husband? Oh come on, forget it. Yeah, so whats next? Quran in favour of trashing your wife, right? Waitin.

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HotTea ki HotCoffee ban gaee :omg:

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are you the multi of Majazi Khuda? :hmmm:

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haaha, cold tea…

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You know what if my husband treated me how has been asked for in islam (like a valuable diamond) and he asked me to look after him, i would.

We have to look at islam as a whole, if we look at how men are supposed to treat their wives in islam we see that men dont have to right to ask for anything unreasonable which we have to 'obey' in the modern sense of the word.

i have put some quotations below which talk about the rights of a wife in islam.

"And give to the women (whom you marry) their Mahr (obligatory bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) with a good heart, but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, take it, and enjoy it without fear of any harm (as Allah has made it lawful). (An-Nisa’ 4:4)

"And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them , and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect." (Ar-Rum 30:21)

"…But the father of the child shall bear the cost of the mother’s food and clothing on a reasonable basis. No person shall have a burden laid on him greater than he can bear…" (Al-Baqarah 2:233)

"’O Messenger of Allah (SAW), what right can a wife demand of her husband?’ He replied, ‘that you should give her food when you eat, clothe her when you clothe yourself, not strike her on the face, and do not insult her or separate form her except in the house.’" (Reported by Ahmad, Ibn Majah and Abu Dawud)

"A woman came to the Prophet (SAW) complaining of her husband, ‘Messenger of Allah (SAW), Abu Sufyan is a niggardly man who does not give me and my son enough; except what I take from him without his knowledge.’ He replied, ‘Take what is enough for you and your son according to what is ma’roof (well-known in your society).’" (Reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)

"…They are Libas *, for you and your are the same for them…" (Al Baqarah 2:187)

"It is He Who has created you from a single person (Adam), and (then) He has created form him his wife (Eve), in order that he might enjoy the pleasure of living with her…" (Al-A’raf 7:189)
"I command you to treat women kindly. Woman has been created from a rib (the rib is crooked), and the most crooked part of the rib is the upper region. If you try to make it straight you will break it, and if you leave it as it is, it will remain curved. So treat women kindly." (Reported by Al-Bukhari)

Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also said:

"The best of you are those who are best to the women." (Sahih At-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and Al-Jami Al-Saker)

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the Mahr (dowry, bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage) you have given them, unless they commit open illegal sexual intercourse. And live with them honorably. If you dislike them, it may be that you dislike a thing and Allah brings through it a great deal of good." (An-Nisa’ 4:19)

"Among the Muslims, the most perfect as regards his faith is the one whose character is most excellent, and the best among you are those who treat their wives well." (At-Tirmidhi)

"A believer must not hate a believing woman; if he dislikes one of her characteristics he will be pleased with another." (Sahih Muslim)

"Woman has been created from a rib and in no way will be straight for you; so if you enjoy her you will do so while crookedness remains in her; but if you try to straighten her you will break her; breaking her being divorcing her." (Sahih Muslim)

Im sure there are many more thingss to say.

Women have the right to say no to living with in laws, the right to make their own living, the right to fight in war...

Do not cherry pick in religion.*

Re: To set the record straight: the wife must obey her husband

do you beat your wife?

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you meant Ice tea.

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inspiron, as I have said many times before, I think its fair for a man to fullfil all responsiblities as mandated by Islam. In return, the woman needs to obey.

I agree with you.

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Hotit i mean hottea

The way you say 'the woman needs to obey' comes across very egotistical and chavanistic.

You are not really putting your point across very nicely.

Obey does not mean 'oh great master i serve you' i think 'obey' means, look im going to treat you so well and make sure you dont have any problems in your life and in return i would like you to protect my house, be loyal to me and look after me but not beyond your rights.

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The responsibility includes dealing with women with honour and respect.

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yeah ok, put whatever spin you want on it, at end of the day islam asks the woman to be respectful/devoted/obediant to her husband. Thats the point im trying to convey.

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yeh duh, you should deal with EVERYONE with honor and respect.