To Dance or Not To Dance...?

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How do I put this mildly? Hmm.

I don’t know which Islam you’ve read up but it doesn’t give you a hall pass to “diss” other religions amongst a group of Muslims (how you justify that, god only knows :confused:). You fail and continue to fail at making your point when you think it’s okay to call practices of other religion “jahiliya (ie crap)”/“find them disgusting and abhorrent” (mind you, these practices are traditions and are in no way harming or hurting people) and then you have the nerve to say Muslims are encouraged to invite good and discourage wrong things. I find it amusing that you claim to not be a fundi Taliban beard-man.

And it’s great that you feel the need to SPEAK OUT when you see people doing unislamic things, except you are not their parent nor the religion police. Islam gives much higher importance to peace, respect and spreading harmony. The Quran also says “there is no compulsion in Islam”, meaning you are not told to shove your ideas down people’s throats. That being said, respect and tolerance is way up there in the priorities of Islam and had you actually bothered to study it and not adapt bits and bobs which you deem suitable to your needs, you would know this.

And for future instances? Nice story, bro.

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we have a whole load of girly parties when someone gets married but we don't dance in front of men even male cousins etc....

would def not want my nieces or daughters strutting away to sheila ki jawani while shakin their bits and maybe gettin perved on, hence the practice of not dancing in front of men will be continued by me for my own family too!!!

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p.s videos, filming are strictly banned also photos from the girly parties, so no risk of youtube and showing them to male members etc..

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"Islam gives much higher importance to peace, respect and speeding harmony. The Quran also says "there is no compulsion in Islam", meaning you are not told to shove your ideas down people's throats. That being said, respect and tolerance is way up there in the priorities of Islam "

I think I will take this away as the main outcome/message of this thread.

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Chalo altaf hussain has some company now! :p

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Spreading* :p

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You're right, it shouldnt be but it is. A girl that can dance is supposedly a plus. I dont know why. I remember that an aunty, who I actually quite like, once told my mom that girls should know how to dance.

It's not even necessarily that men will see the wedding video and like the girl but the girls that get most inquired about at weddings by the women at the weddings are the girls who have danced at the wedding.

My sister did a choreographed dance with my cousin at my cousin's wedding and the entire world wanted to know who she was.

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lol, this is laughable. As twisted as the rishta process is, this is the funniest requirement i've heard of.

Even if it does matter to some aunties, i bet it's only cuz the aunties notice those girls and remember them because they danced. Not necessarily because dancing is a pre-req to being a good bahu.

If you're sitting in a corner making faces, they're obviously not gonna "inquire" about you.

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You never know, some guys may want girls who are flexible :hoonh:

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You act as if I’m bashing people with a stick or pointing a gun to their heads lol, or bothering Non Muslim people outside of their places of worship. I’ll do whatever I want, if I want to advise people about the ills of following Jahiliya Hindu/Pagan/non Muslim culture, **you can’t do anything about it.
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If it wasn’t for someone speaking out, I would have never come back to Islam myself. It was on the advise of a Lebanese brother that made me reflect on certain aspects of my life, I want to help others too.

Pointing out Jahiliya practices of other religions and advising Muslims not to follow them is a good thing **Practices such as idol worship, drinking alcohol, mixed dancing, praying to statutes and pictures, hindu rasams etc…there is nothing wrong with calling such practices jahiliya and telling Muslims not to do it. **There is nothing in Islam which tells us to respect such stupidity, yeah we aren’t supposed to go make fun of people, but we must always warn Muslims to stay away from such ills.

You don’t have to be someones parent to advise them, if someone wants to follow the advise or not, it’s up to them, the Lebanese guy who decided to speak to me wasn’t much older than me. **There is a whole group of people who go around from city to city in North America, and go to Muslim peoples houses and invite them to the mosque for lectures etc..**The Quran says Muslims should “Invite to what is right, and prevent what is wrong”.

Islam totally forbids practices like mixed dancing at weddings, alcoholic drinks, non marham men and women dancing together to music etc.. these are all clearly haram, you don’t have to be some extremist, these are like basic things that all scholars from any school of thought agree with.

Most Pakistani people, especially in America already don’t have mixed dancing weddings anyway.

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I wouldn't say most Pakistani people in America don't have mixed dances at weddings, because If you think about it, it really comes down to the people you know. ^^

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@ #190
"However, among Muslims (and I assume most people on this site are Pakistani Muslims), there is nothing wrong with pointing out the Jahiliya(ie crap) practices of another religion, and discouraging Muslims from following them. "

In other words, if the majority is of one faith, it is OK to use disrespectful language regarding the minorities' religion. Last I checked, Paksitan has Hindus and Christain among its citizens.

Especially considering you are a minority (muslim) from Houston, this behavior appears very Jahil. I have little doubt if in the Houston media, some hate monger wrote negative things about Islam, you will be the first to protest.

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Well I've been to a total of 9 or 10 from LA to Virginia, to Toronto and Vancouver Canada, , and honestly I didn't personally know most of these people just very distant cousins or friends of my parents, but a diverse crowd of people, and all quite well to do.

Some of these were quite lavish weddings too, at big hotels like the Hilton etc..honestly I never saw any men and women dancing together, I mean no one was going up to a random girl asking her to dance, some had lots of guests, over 500+ and a good chunk of the women were hijabis.

All of these weddings did have an Imam there, and Islamic prayers and blessings were read, in some cases nikahs were done same day as Rukhsati.

Some weddings were segregated, and the girls just danced on their own side.

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Freedom of speech, it's in the constitution. People say and write negative things about Islam all the time over here and in the rest of America, you should have seen some of the vitriol over the proposed NY ground zero mosque, protesting or screaming about it is pointless.

Alhamdulliah I see new Christian converts almost every Friday at the mosque, or Christians coming to seek info about Islam, so its still growing.

Also yes, there is nothing wrong with discouraging Muslims from not following jahiliya practices, and advising them of its ills, even Christians do that with their own people, warning them about the ills of other religions.

There is a huge difference** between randomly hating on a people and demonizing a people vs pointing out the errors of their religion or customs etc..**
I'm not demonizing Hindus or hating on them, all I'm saying is that Muslims should avoid following the Jahil Hindu pagan practices, and should avoid putting these things into one of the most blessed and important aspects of a persons life, a wedding!

Don't start something good with something haram.

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^ you correctly characterized the negative writings about Islam as vitriol. I am trying to point out you are doing the same here about another religion.

Anyway, to be honest, I do not think it was your intent to put down another religion. I get what you were trying to do. I just respectfully suggest you could have chosen softer language to make your point.

Cheers.

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People love to post Quranic verses out of context.

Tolerance and respect for other religion and culture does NOT mean following other religion/culture.

Read the Surah Al-Kafiroon.

In essence, it says let others do what they want but more importantly one should say no to others when they ask one to follow their beliefs.

@ M_was-here:

No idea what your beliefs are but you have failed to understand what EDAL has been saying.
From a religious point of view EDAL has been correct and while we all do things irreligious that does not mean we have to fight tooth and nail to support it.

So just let it go. Enjoy what you like to do but don’t say somehow it is Islamic or Islam does not prohibit the silliness and madness which goes on in many wedding ceremonies.

As much as I see your subtle sarcasm, please let me clarify: Someone who brings Islamic ideas when discusses does not mean that person is somehow talibanic. :smack:

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Trust me, i know how ridiculous it sounds but the truth is the truth.

I think it is more of a thing that if a girl is dancing she must be outgoing and cheerful and what not.

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I am with you, bud. Now stop banging that head - not good for you.

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Thanks for your 'deep concern'.

You did not have to repeat EDAL statement unless you had some form of disagreement with his statement.

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The more things change, the more they remain the same.