Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
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Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
You're right. It's just as ridiculous as when Indians sit around and discuss their God-given, proprietary rights over Kashmir.
Real good answer.:biggthumb
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
With India and Pakistan being nuclear powers I do not see any solution for Kashmir issue .
There is no way on earth that a limited or all out war in India and Pakistan will happen again on this issue.
India will never declared Kashmir a separate Independent state for fear of other states demanding the same.
There is no super power or UNO resolution of the issue as super powers and UNO do not think Kashmir is a burning issue which can threaten the survival of any super power or world peace.
India will never pull out forces from Kashmir till maintaining heavy military presence in Kashmir becomes so expensive that its own economy goes into shambles .
Both India and Pakistan think that Kashmiries want to merge with India or Pakistan.
If Kashmiries were loyal to India , India would not need such a heavy military presence in Kashmir.
Whether Kashmiries really want to merge with Pakistan or India or want to be independent there is no proof of any of these theories. The only way to find out will be if there is a referendum in Kashmir on this subject , but India will never let it happen.
So what is the solution ? You tell me.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
No, it doesn't.
Kashmir = Kashmir.
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Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
No, it doesn't.
Kashmir = Kashmir.
You're right. It's just as ridiculous as when Indians sit around and discuss their God-given, proprietary rights over Kashmir.
coming from a Pakistani mouthpiece such as you, it proves the opposite!
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
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India will never declared Kashmir a separate Independent state for fear of other states demanding the same.
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WHICH other states would demand independence, save some terrorist organizations in the North east?
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
is there any guarantee that if kashmir valley gets independence that the kashmiri pandits (the few hundred thousand left) as minorities will be treated well with full rights and be under a truly secular government?
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
is there any guarantee that if kashmir valley gets independence that the kashmiri pandits (the few hundred thousand left) as minorities will be treated well with full rights and be under a truly secular government?
Is that the justification for the Indian Army and thier antics in Kashmor? They they are just out to protect the pundits???
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
coming from a Pakistani mouthpiece such as you, it proves the opposite!
No it doesen't! You are just out of answers
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Is that the justification for the Indian Army and thier antics in Kashmor? They they are just out to protect the pundits???
ummm what in the world are you talking about?? I'm saying that in the situation where all the soldiers(Indian as well as the pakistani ones) are withdrawn and if kashmir valley is declared independent, what guarantee is there that the minorities won't be treated the way they were in 1989(torture, threats, militant targets) and will be given full rights with a true,secular government?
if the minorities there are fully protected, then i think an independent kashmir valley is possible
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
let's simplify this.
J&K is correctly with India. The Pakistani sponsored terrorists have been thwarted and are busy taking care of business within Pakistan.
Some loser Pakistanis come here start wailing away for therapy. But it is getting stale, all this wailing. Go find something else to babble about.
Meanwhile we in India are focusing on building industries, colleges and tourism in J&K.
Jai Hind
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Problem is...No body is building nothing in Kashmir & it's Kashmiri's suffering.
And yelling Jai Hind etc wouldn't solve Kashmiri's problems either.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
I'm saying that in the situation where all the soldiers(Indian as well as the pakistani ones) are withdrawn and if kashmir valley is declared independent, what guarantee is there that the minorities won't be treated the way they were in 1989(torture, threats, militant targets) and will be given full rights with a true,secular government?
If you actually look at what the native Kashmiri leadership have said, you'll find that they're actually some of the most pragmatic, forward-thinking politicians in South Asia today. The Mirwaiz (one of the most important religious leaders in Kashmir, and chairman of the APHC) has repeatedly stated that he's in favor of a democratic, secular constitution...and has even been recognized in the Indian media for his modern outlook.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Problem is...No body is building nothing in Kashmir & it's Kashmiri's suffering. And yelling Jai Hind etc wouldn't solve Kashmiri's problems either.
if pakistan withdraws all its militants and soldiers from Kashmir valley then wouldn't India withdraw it's soldiers? Then maybe both countries could actually contribute to the betterment of the Vale of Kashmir in terms of all the problems that have resulted after all these years.
improving infrastructure and bringing progress to the area rather than bringing more misery to the kashmiris. Actually taking steps to bring the Pandits back. Creating jobs and stimulating the economy there.....giving more autonomy to the state or just kashmir valley....If all of this is something India is willing/wanting to do then Pakistan should support these efforts.
Abdelyuuki had written a pretty good post in terms of this kind of change. Need to find it......
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
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On the same token, what guarantee is there that India won't go back to fixing elections and trampling basic democratic rights as it has historically done in J&K?
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
if pakistan withdraws all its militants and soldiers from Kashmir valley then wouldn't India withdraw it's soldiers? Then maybe both countries could actually contribute to the betterment of the Vale of Kashmir in terms of all the problems that have resulted after all these years. improving infrastructure and bringing progress to the area rather bringing more misery to the kashmiris. Actually taking steps to bring the Pandits back.
Abdelyuuki had written a pretty good post in terms of this kind of change. Need to find it......
Yes and you know that it's not all Pakistani's. It's not a game of acquiring a real estate etc. There is a genuine indigenous struggle too. If and when India recognizes and accepts Kashmiri's aspirations and allows them to live freely... they won't have to keep that much of their forces in Kashmir. Let them live like decent human beings and according to their own aspirations, let them meet their brethren in Pakistani Kashmir and vice versa and i can assure you , India wouldn't face that much resistance from the Kashmiri's.
Kashmir should be a free zone in south asia where both sides can move/live/trade etc freely.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
^yikes I didn't think you would reply so soon.....I added some more thoughts to my post up there
i'm not denying all three sides are at fault here in some way or another.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
let's simplify this.
J&K is correctly with India. The Pakistani sponsored terrorists have been thwarted and are busy taking care of business within Pakistan.
** Some loser Pakistanis come here start wailing away for therapy. But it is getting stale, all this wailing. Go find something else to babble about.**
Meanwhile we in India are focusing on building industries, colleges and tourism in J&K.
Jai Hind
I find that a little odd, especially because this is a PAKISTANI medium. So why don't some los.. (never mind...i won't stoop to your level and call anyone names) indians go elsewhere for feel-good therapy?
PS: no offense, it's a rhetorical question!!!!.....Indian are most welcome. But lets not be so rude towards our hosts now, please. :)
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
^ On the same token, what guarantee is there that India won't go back to fixing elections and trampling basic democratic rights as it has historically done in J&K?
A better solution should be that , India and Pakistan won't interfere in Kashmir's elections, they elect their own one assembly(both Indian & Pakistani sides) and rule according to their own aspirations. Kashmiris won't have to acquire a visa in Dehli or Islamabad to travel between the two sides , they won't have to ask Pakistan's and India's permission to develop their own infra structures , trade agreements etc. They can make their own policies and rule accordingly.That way the borders atleast for Kashmiri's would become meaningless and atleast they would be happy to live according to their own wishes. Gone are the times when India & Pakistan should fight for the better half of the cake. It is the Kashmiri's that have to decide.
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Yes I do condemn the war crimes in Kashmir there's no justification for that. And I agree with you all don't get me wrong. Kashmiris=Northern Pakistanis.
However I'm saying India's occupation there is necessary for their survival.
And you are wrong. There are seperatist movements all over "India" from East Punjab to Bengal and many others.