Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
ummm what in the world are you talking about?? I'm saying that in the situation where all the soldiers(Indian as well as the pakistani ones) are withdrawn and if kashmir valley is declared independent, what guarantee is there that the minorities won't be treated the way they were in 1989(torture, threats, militant targets) and will be given full rights with a true,secular government?
if the minorities there are fully protected, then i think an independent kashmir valley is possible
I am sorry were the Kashmiris independent in 1989? I am sure guarantees can easily be given and the protection of the Pundits ensured. You make is sound as if the conflict is not about self determination but rather about the protection of the Pundits.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
let's simplify this.
J&K is correctly with India. The Pakistani sponsored terrorists have been thwarted and are busy taking care of business within Pakistan.
Some loser Pakistanis come here start wailing away for therapy. But it is getting stale, all this wailing. Go find something else to babble about.
Meanwhile we in India are focusing on building industries, colleges and tourism in J&K.
Jai Hind
Hey if you are referring to someone specifically, address them directly, don't be a Phatoo... J&K is not with India (just ask the populace or heck the UN security council). The freedom fighters are there and will continue to be there (especially now that a 1000 graves have been uncovered).
You in India if you are so busy, then what are you doing here? Here is a Pakistani board on which bhookas like YOU come to act all manly behind the keyboard....thats ok but sometimes you need to be called out.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
I find that a little odd, especially because this is a PAKISTANI medium. So why don't some los.. (never mind...i won't stoop to your level and call anyone names) indians go elsewhere for feel-good therapy?
PS: no offense, it's a rhetorical question!!!!.....Indian are most welcome. But lets not be so rude towards our hosts now, please. :)
Teggy - thanks for showing class. Appreciate it and be assured my 'some Pakistani losers" is targetted at a few select people and not at all in general, certainly not at the 'generous' hosts of GS.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Hey if you are referring to someone specifically, address them directly, don't be a Phatoo... J&K is not with India (just ask the populace or heck the UN security council). The freedom fighters are there and will continue to be there (especially now that a 1000 graves have been uncovered).
You in India if you are so busy, then what are you doing here? Here is a Pakistani board on which bhookas like YOU come to act all manly behind the keyboard....thats ok but sometimes you need to be called out.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Hey if you are referring to someone specifically, address them directly, don't be a Phatoo... J&K is not with India (just ask the populace or heck the UN security council). The freedom fighters are there and will continue to be there (especially now that a 1000 graves have been uncovered).
You in India if you are so busy, then what are you doing here? Here is a Pakistani board on which bhookas like YOU come to act all manly behind the keyboard....thats ok but sometimes you need to be called out.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
Yes I do condemn the war crimes in Kashmir there's no justification for that. And I agree with you all don't get me wrong. Kashmiris=Northern Pakistanis.
However I'm saying India's occupation there is necessary for their survival.
And you are wrong. There are seperatist movements all over "India" from East Punjab to Bengal and many others.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
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On the same token, what guarantee is there that India won't go back to fixing elections and trampling basic democratic rights as it has historically done in J&K?
The military excesses were a result of inability to quickly distinguish between cross-border terrorists, their supporters and locals, because Pakistan was sending in so many of them. Some of it was the survival instinct of the soldier and there I am sure was some where the soldier was evil.
That changes and has changed when the Pakistan sponsorship ended or reduced significantly. You saw some very senior officials brought to justice in public and you're seeing a lot more 'setting it right' going on.
As long as Pakistan does not resume the cross-border issues, the actions above speak louder than any words toward the guarantee which people of J&K are entitled to seek of their government.
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
The military excesses were a result of inability to quickly distinguish between cross-border terrorists, their supporters and locals, because Pakistan was sending in so many of them. Some of it was the survival instinct of the soldier and there I am sure was some where the soldier was evil.
That changes and has changed when the Pakistan sponsorship ended or reduced significantly. You saw some very senior officials brought to justice in public and you're seeing a lot more 'setting it right' going on.
As long as Pakistan does not resume the cross-border issues, the actions above speak louder than any words toward the guarantee which people of J&K are entitled to seek of their government.
Who brought up the Indian army's human rights violations? They're a different can of worms entirely.
I'm talking about the trampling of basic democratic rights in J&K preceding the militancy...the rampant rigging of elections at New Delhi's will that characterized the political process in Kashmir for 40 years, and after the debacle that was the 1987 elections, ultimately precipitated the armed resistance movement itself.
What guarantee is there that India won't return to its old ways in J&K yet again? How do we know history won't repeat itself?
Re: Times of India sez: India should end the Kashmir conflict: Withdraw Indian Army
what guarantee is there that the minorities won't be treated the way they were in 1989(torture, threats, militant targets) and will be given full rights with a true,secular government?
Let me here assure you that the Kashmiri Muslims (the Kashmiris are the most civilized people among all Indic folks and I'm sure they will never disappoint me) will never treat their minorities the way the Muslims were treated in Gujarat or the way they themselves have been treated by Indians in all these years-and neither their army will ever massacre the minorities the way the Balochs have been regularly massacred by the Pakistani army.