As long as Shoaib shows the same application as demanded of the rest of the squad I'm sure he'll do ok and Javed will continue to back him. The old days of preferential treatment are gone for good hopefully and he'll either knuckle down or get booted out of the squad.
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Waqar said it quite right! I personally don’t think Akhtar should be opening his mouth ever. As pointed out by Waqar and noticed by many, Akhtar is very inconsistent. He spends more time out of the game than in the game. He shouldn’t have BS’ed about Wasim and Waqar. Waqar did the right thing. Now I’m waiting for Wasim to tell him off. If my memory serves me right, I believe it was Waqar and Wasim who helped Akhtar, particularly Waqar (I could be wrong here).
In my opinion, he does not deserve a spot in the Pakistan squad unless he fixes his attitude and watch what he says about his seniors. We can do just as well if not any better without Akhtar.
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Sadiyah! i totally agree with u. The only reason i did not point it out on other threads that i feel that at GS, minds of all the guppies are stuck at what happened at the world cup, and most of them belive that waqar was responsible for that since he did not perform up to his level. i thought it would like Bhaaiins Kai aagey Beean Bejaana :frusty:to say something in favor of waqar’s statement.
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Now I'm waiting for Wasim to tell him off.
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You'll be waiting for a long time. Wasim isn't that type of guy and he had the good grace to retire after the world cup unlike Waqar. What Shoaib said was wrong but it's getting blown up out of all proportion here. If the management want him as part of their set up then they must have good reason.
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Waqar said it quite right! I personally don't think Akhtar should be opening his mouth ever. As pointed out by Waqar and noticed by many, Akhtar is very inconsistent. He spends more time out of the game than in the game. He shouldn't have BS'ed about Wasim and Waqar. Waqar did the right thing. Now I'm waiting for Wasim to tell him off. If my memory serves me right, I believe it was Waqar and Wasim who helped Akhtar, particularly Waqar (I could be wrong here).
In my opinion, he does not deserve a spot in the Pakistan squad unless he fixes his attitude and watch what he says about his seniors. We can do just as well if not any better without Akhtar.
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you're spot on.
Xtreme how long do you think this fragile setup is going to work? You got Rashid Latif, Miandad and Akhtar in the same team - very volatile situation. Akhtar bowled us to victory in the Aussie series and people thought he'd turned the corner. We were perhaps the top ODI team for those two months or so. But Akhtar came back to his normal self. And he will do the same again. It's just a matter of time.
Shoaib will be kicked out of the team unceremoniously if he doesn't toe the line. The superstar era is over, a point made pretty emphatically by Rashid yesterday. I'm more than happy to back their judgement but everyone's entitled to their views I guess.
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Shoaib will be kicked out of the team unceremoniously if he doesn't toe the line. The superstar era is over, a point made pretty emphatically by Rashid yesterday. I'm more than happy to back their judgement but everyone's entitled to their views I guess.
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I hope some one will at least put a zipper on his big idiot mouth...
and then ask him to perform well in the field......
this super star syndrome/virus that he has in in his head is coz of Wasim..
if you remember wc99, Wasim used to give statements about him before each match that he will do this and that and he will literally kill batsmen with his bowling..
so offcourse one person will start thinking that he is something.....
Waqar is right in his remarks that Shoaib is in the team for some years now.. he only performs well once int he eyar and then whole year nothing.... and further Shoaib made that stupid comments that he wish he was Born in Australia,, how patethic naa..
Another thing I remember from WC99 was Glenn MCgrath comments.. when he was asked keh whether you want to be the fastest ,,, he replied in plain simple words that he wants to be the greatest... this shows his attitude and his mind set........
McGrath Seldom crosses 140Kph,, but his line length is deadly.. and thats why he is one of the greatest bowler of current era of cricket...
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Younis khan came in at the end of the 14th over. Played till the 43.4 Over
Scored 63. Made me realize, and I agree, what some of the people that have been saying about Younis Khan having fewer opportunities to score a 100. From his inning I concluded that he obviously need to play around or over 80 overs to make a 100 …
Obviously he does not have the talent and the class to score 100 in 35 odd overs. Why do I say that ?
1.Unlike good batsmen he can not pick the ball early. He was never comfortable with Giles. Giles looked much quicker in the air when Younis played him. When Shoaib Malik and later Abdul Razaq played Giles, they made it look simple, with them having ample time to play against Giles.
2.He can not score boundaries as easily …. His placement is ordinary and can not pick the bowl early which makes it difficult for him to score boundaries. After his 50 he tried, unsuccessful to up the run rate but only managed to sky one in no mans land and then getting out on his next attempt. This was when we was supposed be dangerous…
3.Though I am glad he did get out .. Had he done that a few overs earlier may be Pak total would have been around 250 but from a cricketing point of view he was the supposedly “set” batsmen and towards the end should have rotated the strike such that Abdul Razaq got most of the strike so he could play this big shorts. But to the contrary Younis Khan tries to do it himself and gets out … sending a new batsman in…
In my view he can stay until we find someone better, I do not think of him very highly or even a good batsman. He is ordinary.
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Ahemm...
Do you remember a fellow name Javed Miandad, and how he played his innings.
If it wasn't for Younis Khan, Pakistan wouldn't have passed 150 mark, the only reason Razzaq and Azhar Mahmood had guts in the end to blast the batsman is because Younis Khan set up a perfect stage.
Same kind of performance that Miandad put up for Pakistan in 1992 WC, when he would score slowly and by the time of 40th over, he had the likes of Wasim, Moin, Inzi to come and blast in the death overs.
The same reason Younis Khan doesn't score a century is the same as why Bevan is not a century maker, these guys try to build on their innings rather score 6 or 7 runs an over. I wouldn't want Younis to improve as far as his technique is concern. He is doing a very decent job.
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Sadiyah behan, please go back and read what Shoaib said about Wasim and Waqar. He said that they are not as good as they used to be.
Isn’t that true, are you saying 2 Ws have been better bowlers in the last couple years then they have ever been.
Umair , You cannot compare a player like Younis with Bevan or Miandad. Given he doesnt crumble in pressure but he hasnt done anything special yet nor do I expect him to be extremely useful in ODI. He is an "ok" player who doesnt give up his wicket easily unlike other Pakistani batsmen. Yes, I do believe he still can be a great test player. I have no choice but to retain him in my list(not that one) until someone better comes along. I won't really regret if he is axed or anything. We need someone like Rahul Dravid or Bevan.
Firstly I do not totally agree with this practice of keeping wickets in hand and leaving a whole lot for the end overs. Even if this is practiced, a certain run rate should be maintained which, with the late hitting, would provide a defendable total on that particular pitch. It is not every day that you can score 90 runs or more in the last 10 overs. [In the second game Youhana “setup such a perfect stage” with his 75. How much did we end up getting over there? ]
With ODI being played on good batting wickets 280 to 290 is the kind of total a team looks for. That means if we do want to blast 90 or so off the last 10 overs we need to have around 200 on the board meaning playing at around 5 an over. The Australians play their test matches at an average of 4 an over…. Why cant we play the deliveries on merit, rather than on the** over number**? Younis khan played full toss and half volley deliveries in the hands of the fielders during the “building process”. Would javed have done that ? With only Azhar Mehmood to follow and Rashid Latif in poor touch, Javed would had stayed with Abdul Razzaq and would had tried to give as much strike as possible to Abdul Razzaq. Javed would not gotten out the way Younis Khan did. [But I do consider it a blessing that he did get out]
Javed when given the opportunity grabbed it both hands. Javed build an inning and paced it. He scored hundreds as well. He was eager to come to the crease. It was not only how many runs he got them but the manner in which he got them. There is no point in building an inning, getting set and then not being able to capitalize. Javed gave confidence. He could go to the end and play till the end. Where as for Younis Khan…
Normally I expect a 30 from Younis, on his good day he might make a fifty but that is where it stops. He does not give me confidence that he will carry on and go on to a century and beyond. Why?
Please I do not mind Younis Khan playing in the team for the next 10 years. I do not mind him making 10 consecutive ducks and still getting the next game. But I do have a problem when you start to compare this ordinary batsman with the two of the very best. Just in this very match, one of the commentators, described Javed as the very best. I will not even try to show that there is absolutely no comparison in the class and talent of Javed and Bevan with that of Younis Khan.
What I have being saying is Younis Khan is an ordinary batsman and he has his place in the team because of the present circumstances. So comparison with Javed and Bevan is defiantly pushing it too far.
The only “stastic” that you could have used for your argument would have been that in the 220 ODI odd games played by Javed, he has just 8 hundreds. But then Javed played in a different era. ODI games were not played on such batsmen friendly wickets as today.220 to 250 were the kind of total the teams would look for, later 260 to 270 was enough to make you win. 300 was a very rare occurrence. On top of that Javed was in the team with the likes of Asif Iqbal, Majid, Zaheer,Saleem Malik and likes, making it difficult to score hundred. Perhaps you forgot there were the openers of the likes of Mudussar and Shoaib Mohd in those days and they unlike Afridi were in no hurry to get back to the pavilion.
Same is true for Bevan. He comes in the middle or lower middle order of the Australian batting line up and not for the “famed” Pakistan batting line of present era. Btw Bevan coming in at no 5 is a finisher. Coming in at number 5 with 10 or so overs remaining Bevan does not build an inning he fisnishes it.
The same can not be said of Younis Khan, unlike other middle order batsmen, Younis gets more overs to play and thus to score big runs. He has certainly had more opportunities and if you check the statistics you will find out that there were numerous occasions where he had around 30 or more over to play. And this is why it bothers me that Younis Khan does not have a century.
i think i should be added to Pakistani squad, then Pakistan will win every game :D
chill guys.. trust ur team after all they are NEVER EVER EVER EVER in our life time going to ask us to pick the team .. so chill :) relax and eat all u can!
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Umair , You cannot compare a player like Younis with Bevan or Miandad. Given he doesnt crumble in pressure but he hasnt done anything special yet nor do I expect him to be extremely useful in ODI. He is an "ok" player who doesnt give up his wicket easily unlike other Pakistani batsmen. Yes, I do believe he still can be a great test player. I have no choice but to retain him in my list(not that one) until someone better comes along. I won't really regret if he is axed or anything. We need someone like Rahul Dravid or Bevan.
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Well I never said he is as good as Bevan or Miandad but he is a same type of batsman, who builds on his innings and let the agressor down the order blast away, I would keep him anyday in my team. He is contioniously improving his batting, and he will be a huge asset to the Pakistani team in years to come.
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Please I do not mind Younis Khan playing in the team for the next 10 years. I do not mind him making 10 consecutive ducks and still getting the next game. But I do have a problem when you start to compare this ordinary batsman with the two of the very best. Just in this very match, one of the commentators, described Javed as the very best. I will not even try to show that there is absolutely no comparison in the class and talent of Javed and Bevan with that of Younis Khan.
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Younis Khan is no where is being as good as Miandad or Bevan but he is a similiar type of batsman. And if you didn't know he also scores at a fast rate but the problem is that batsmen on the other end depend entirely too much on Younis Khan. Someonlike Razzaq who score his first 10 runs in 30 balls and then he occaisionally goes for big shots in the end.
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What I have being saying is Younis Khan is an ordinary batsman and he has his place in the team because of the present circumstances. So comparison with Javed and Bevan is defiantly pushing it too far.
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Maybe you should go back and read where said that he is as good as Bevan or Miandad. If you didn't know Younis Khan has been around this Pakistani team since 2000, thats when both Yousuf Youhana and Inzimam ul Haq were also around, so he is not here due to certain "circumstances" but he is here because he is the kind of play Pakistan needs @ number 5. He is been without any doubts Pakistan's best batsman since Post world cup.
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The only “stastic” that you could have used for your argument would have been that in the 220 ODI odd games played by Javed, he has just 8 hundreds. But then Javed played in a different era. ODI games were not played on such batsmen friendly wickets as today.220 to 250 were the kind of total the teams would look for, later 260 to 270 was enough to make you win. 300 was a very rare occurrence.
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Yeah but Javed was also in the era or early 80s where most matches were played in 60 overs, then he had alot more opportunities to score centuries then Younis Khan.
Younis Khan is the kind of player who doesn't go for boundries, but takes singles and doubles to keep the RR ticking, unfortunatly he doesn't stick around till 50 overs but he is definitly capable of doing that, I saw him play some amazing innings while chasing, most recently comes to mind is the 90 runs he scored against New Zeland in Rawalpindi and the amazing knock he scored along Razzaq in Morocco against Sri Lanka.
In the end of the day, I still have to agree with you about the lack of centuries, he will get there one day but as of this moment, he is doing a decent job.
Waqar Younis has said key Shoaib shouldn’t compare himself with a class bowler like McGrath. It would have been better for Pakistan as well if he had been born in Australia
I didn't know he compared himself with McGrath, 2 very different type of bowlers.
na he doesn't compare he simply says he's better :D
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na he doesn't compare he simply says he's better :D
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Can you provide me the link where he said he was better then McGrath.
I won't be surprised if the english media is trying to cause some trouble again.
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lolllll this is funny indeed!!
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Perhaps you forgot there were the openers of the likes of Mudussar and Shoaib Mohd in those days and they unlike Afridi were in no hurry to get back to the pavilion.
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First of all, why do u have to bring Afridi into this. He isn't even in the team any more. Why don't you blame the current openers like Imran Nazir, Hafeez, or Taufeeq. Afridi is history for now. And as Umair stated, Younis is doing a decent job down the order. You don't need a bunch of centuries to be a good batsmen or hit a lot of boundries. He rotates the strike and takes quick singles which most Pakistani batsmen struggle at.