It's not a matter of who's first. The point is that you are losing credibility by showing such blatant hypocrisy, and making an ass out of yourself. On one hand, you are jumping the gun, and it seems like you have reached the conclusion, even before today's killing are properly investigated. I can assure you one thing, a true muslim would never commit such an act. Secondly, it's transparent to point fingers at Pakistan, when the muslims and other minorities are being persecuted all over India, in a repressive manner.
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Originally posted by Talwar: *
**If I show you my picture at the DC protest and my check, will you shut up? You didn;t send a check to Pak christians - so does it mean you support their killings. I helped out my Muslim countrymen more than you did to your Christians Malik - tell me what you have done other than say -"I condemn"?*
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Talwar, What do you want from Malik - a pat on the back for attending the protest and sending that $300 check? Those are good gestures; all we are stating is that we would like to see less hypocrisy when we are discussing attacks against ANY minorities of ANY country. The same manner in which you start to become angry when you hear that Muslims have attacked a Christian gathering in Pakistan - it would seem less hypocritical if the same anger was levelled at particular Hindu mobs (and the govt.) when it kills 2500 Muslims. i read about this Church attack by Muslims on BBC, came to Gupshup and the Pakistan Forum, read the thread, and posted my comments denouncing it unequivocally. Agar tomorrow, you read a thread regarding another attack by Hindus against Muslims and Christians, will you unequivocally denounce it - without being asked to, without any conditions attached?
Doesn't matter - Hindu, Muslim, Christian. No one should be attacked for their religious beliefs. We should focus more on our own respective governments first before we jump up and down pointing at others.
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Yet another lie. In fact in this thread alone you have:-
1) Admitted that you have rarely posted in WA, hence ever condemned the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat.
2) Downplayed the numbers of Muslims slaughtered in Gujrat, by saying only hundreds were killed, when all major reports say thousands upon thousands were butchered.
3) Stated that there is no there is no proof that Modi was responsible for the Gujarat massacre.
Also, you have not even been brave enough to give any comment at all yet, on the attack on Christians in India yesterday. Hypocrisy unlimited...
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In this thread alone, you have:
Did not condemnt that Azam Tariq was released thereby showing your support for killing of Shias
Admitted not sending money to Pakistan christians thereby proving you don't have symapthy for them
Didnt say you participated in protest march agianst Christian killings thereby showing your shallow condmentantion
REfusing to answer what you did to support Minorties in Paksitan thereby showing your sympathy for the killers.
Your arguments can be twisted against
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
Talwar, What do you want from Malik - a pat on the back for attending the protest and sending that $300 check? Those are good gestures;
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No. Malik is saying that just because I didn;t post in WA, I did not condemn Gujarat killings.
That is wrong, wouldn;t you agree. My condemnation went beyond mere words on a board.
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all we are stating is that we would like to see less hypocrisy when we are discussing attacks against ANY minorities of ANY country.
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In that case, why are you reluctant to say Pakistan's release of terrorists is wrong?
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attack by Hindus against Muslims and Christians, will you unequivocally denounce it - without being asked to, without any conditions attached?
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Absolutely.
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*Originally posted by Talwar: *
In this thread alone, you have:
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Not yet dared to condemn the attack on Christians in India yesterday.
btw, when you claim someone has said anything try to find their own words to back yourself up, otherwise you can be seen as spreading more lies. :)
So still waiting for you to condemn the attack on Christians in India yesterday...
I ask you again, what have you done to champion the cause of muslims in Kashmir. Have you issued condemnations or decried the crimes, perpetrated by the Indian forces. Or, do you consider all means as justified actions, whether it's killing the innocents, to keep the Indian occupation is place ?
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*Originally posted by Talwar: *
No. Malik is saying that just because I didn;t post in WA, I did not condemn Gujarat killings.
That is wrong, wouldn;t you agree.
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It is in fact entirely correct, and backed by your very own words. Did you not:-
1) Admit that you have rarely posted in WA, and hence ever condemned the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat on these forums. Unless specifically asked by others.
2) Downplay the numbers of Muslims slaughtered in Gujrat, by saying only hundreds were killed, when all major reports say thousands upon thousands were butchered.
3) State that there is there is no proof that Modi was responsible for the Gujarat massacre.
Still waiting for your condemnation of the attack on Christians in India yesterday...
Outlaw,
Please answer my questions. You are ducking them.
In Kashmir, Jihadis and Indian Army have killed people. It is war. I didn;t see you say anything aboput the people killed by Jiahdis. You always blame "Indian Agents"
Unlike Gujarat where innocent Muslims were killed by Indian Hindu fanatics.
I told you I was in Washington, DC at that time. I actually did something other than posting “I condemn” on a board.
You tell me now - "What have yo done other than saying “I condemn”
Your own words tells us that you did nothing else.
Please show the reports.
Care to show the proof that you have? 
Your countrymen said there is no proof against Azam Tariq. You didn’t say anything. So does it mean, you support Shia killings?
Go look for it.
I do actually condemn when innocents are killed. For instance, those who know jehad will never go ahead and butcher innocent people in a hindu temple. You cannot win by going against the fundamental teachings of your faith, which essentially forms the core of your discipline as a soldier. But, on part of the Indian army, it has unleashed state sponsored terrorism in a most barbaric way, against the Kashmiris. Even, the Indian human rights group have paid lip service, to what's being taking place over a decade. Considering it just to be another "internal matter". It does speak volume about the morality of entire Indian nation.
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Outlaw,
Please answer my questions. You are ducking them.
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In fact even after 18 posts, you are still ducking all the questions put to you i.e. in your repeated failure to condemn the attack on Christians in India yesterday. I am sure you will eventually strike up the courage to make one of your rare posts in WA to do that. After all you have asked to be specifically asked to do this, before you ever will.
Whenever 2500 Christians in Pakistan are burned, raped, and hacked to death, i will be sure to donate some money to an organization. Donating money (still) won’t clear my conscience unless the parties that committed those crimes are held responsible.
In a response to Malik, you stated “Please show the reports” that thousands of Muslims were slaughtered in Gujarat. 
Are you doubting that more than two thousand Muslims were murdered ?
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*Originally posted by outlaw: *
I do actually condemn when innocents are killed. For instance, those who know jehad will never go ahead and butcher innocent people in a hindu temple.
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Since Lashkar claimed responsibilty for a prior temple attack, will you admit they are terrorists?
Also, answer my questions please - Why did your govt ban them?
So 2,500 is your magic number.
Less than that, you will just make a “I condemn” statement and escape.
Also, since you want to make “that committed those crimes are held responsible”, then why are you silent about Pakistan releasing Azam Tariq and other terrorists?
Are you waiting for 2,500 Shias or Christians to be killed before you speak up against Azam Tariq and his ilk?
I said “hundreds” were murdered. The reports are not unanimous. some say thousands, some others hundreds.
**Malik,
If you bothered to look it up, you’ll realize I already did it.
Your repeated failure to speak up on Azam Tariq shows your true colors.**
Of course he does Nadia, he has clearly downplayed the genocide of Muslims in Gujrat, by saying only hundreds were killed. He went further and said there is no proof that Modi was responsible for this genocide.
Here is he is condemning an attack on Christians in nearly 20 posts, yet has to be specifically asked before he will condemn a similar attack on Christians in India.
**Malik,
So you say I had to be asked 20 times before I condemn Indians
How many times will it be for you to speak up against Shia killer Azam Tariq or Christian killing Jaish people.
200? 2000? Or is it the truth that you support him and Jaish?
If you really dare, tell me how you feel about his release?**
Atleast I spoke about Modi now on this board.
You are stubbornly refusing to talk about Tariq even after being specifically asked 5-6 times!!!
What does it say about you?
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**Malik,
If you bothered to look it up, you'll realize I already did it.
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Sorry, but another lie. You have spent over 20 posts in this thread condemning an attack on Christians in Pakistan. Show us in which of those posts in this thread that you have condemned a similar attack on Christians in India yesterday? You have been repeatedly asked.
So, are you willing to call your Indian army a state sponsored terrorist entity, since it has killed thousands of Kashmiri Muslims ? If yes, are you willing to denounce your country and give up your citizenship. It's not one temple or one house, we are talking about entire villages, ransacked by the Indian forces to avenge the lives of fallen comrades.
I am sure you will not have guts, since you can just talk the talk. Admit it, in fact you felt joyous when this incident happened, only because it would look Pakistan bad on global stage.
Malik, apparently so 
i was giving the benefit of the doubt last time, thought maybe that was a typo. So hurtful to see that one would genuinely dispute the 2500.
Please, Talwar, kindly i would like to know which independent, third-party reports precisely you utilized.
Less than that, you will jsut make a “I condemn” statement and escape
Please do not talk to me about escaping; it took two pages of this thread of Malik’s persistence to finally make you issue a statement in the WA thread regarding the Indian attack against Christians. Talk about escape - you are attempting to bring down the widely-accepted 2500 loss, to “hundreds” AND arguing that Modi is guilt-free.
Talwar Sahib, just because one has donated money and participated in a protest does not absolve one of their government’s actions. If the individual’s attitude towards Muslims is no better, than i would humbly believe there is no use in participating in such protests.
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Malik,
Atleast I spoke about Modi now on this board.
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Yes now, after being pinned down on your hypocrisy, double standards and lies. The genocide of thousands of Muslims in Gujrat happened in February this year, yet it took you 10 months until now to really condemn it. Even then you have downplayed the numbers of Muslims slaughtered, and made excuses for Modi in saying there is no proof against him.
As Nadia has correctly stated it took you two pages of this thread, where you have been condemning Pakistan for an attack on Christians, before you went to WA, and made a very, very belated condemnation of a similar attack in India. What does that show about you?