Thousands-strong mob attacks police station, burns man to death for alleged blasphemy

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Religions are divisive , discriminatory US Vs Them ] , and self-righteous only we are correct every one else is wrong ] , and that induces extremism .

my question so , why does this demonstration of extreme barbarian conduct becoming a Muslim specialty trait ..?? ..if you will ask them ...they will quote tons and tons of religious material in favor of their heinous conduct ..... so if the justifications are in religion , then its followers only do what their religion with justifications tell them ....

..its a futile long circular debate , my own point of view is , ... the root cause is religion ,not any , all religions and ISLAM is one of them ... with enough justifiable material , in form of FATWAS and HADITHS ...which condone such barbarity .

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You are wrong again sorry to point out.
Why?

There are lots of reasons people with sick mind discriminate others.

These include race, color, language, country of origin and off course religion.

You are just lashing out religion for your own biased views.

Barbaric conduct/raging mob is not just the domain of muslim countries or by muslims only, you should know by now.

You do need to get out a little more in my humble suggestion. If bound for any reason, then read the news of world a little more.

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yes race, color, language, country of origin discriminates , but religion does it at an organized and most effective level.

perhaps you wanted to point out the Barbaric conduct we are witnessing with regard to WOT around the world by co-alition forces ...etc....

but you are forgetting Mr Bush's slip of tounge calling it " CRUSADES " ... again a religious symbol ... and the Shiv Sena in India ....again the motive is Religion ... that takes care of the non-muslims aspect of religion in the argument ...

...but perhaps there is another overlooked example , and its that of Japan ... a predominately non religious STATE ....and the mark difference in behaviour is too obvious...

my argument is not just of ISLAM ..its for all organized religion ... including the Abrahimic religions which base their argument on the divinity of a creator ... and its consent in form of sending appointing messengers and prophets ..

Jew, Chrisitian , Muslims ..... ver 1.0 , 2.0 and 3.0 of the same argument , all have similar history , same barbaric presentations all over history , and their inner conflicts , Islam Vs Jews, Jew vs Christian and Christian Vs Muslim ....
Jews never allowed any one to enter Judaism , so Christians or Genitles , found a direct divine intervention from the jews God , in form of Chirist with miraclous birth , hence One Up ..of the other jews messengers , and a few centeries later their cousins Arabs , joined in the band wagon , claiming to actually Purify the corrupted messages from the Divine .
and their Zeal to convert the PAGANS , into their faith , and then the Use of Barbaric methods , including annihilation of weakened civilization , like Christians did in the Americas Inca, Maya and Aztec civilizations ] is on record .
Muslims are just a part of that , whole religious phenomena of using " Divine '' to control in a systematic and ruthless way , albeit with a mellow soft outward face

Like I said , its a long winding and inconclusive debate ... the bottom line in present scenarios is the Muslim behavior , which finds its sanction in Islam ... that sanction is already there ...thats why it is used ...and condoned and defended .

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Do you agree that there are many other 'differences', sick people may exploit to commit crimes?
One of these differences is religion.

My objection to your point of view is that these differences race, color, country of origin and ...the religion are not to be blamed, those who exploit the differences are to be blamed.

Very simple concept for you to grasp. :)

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and my argument is they are " inbuilt " into a religious doctrine , whatever that may be...

simple ...

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You mean the hatred is inbuilt in religious doctrine?

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yep ... with an outer sweet face , thats why you will find all the justification and condoning within the doctrine ...

else a few maybe exploiting , but not all condoning ... because there are religious arguments in favor ... and in Islam the most oft used and debated is the Ayat which says something to the effect '....and kill infidels ... " ... you can argue about the context and occasion , thats why I said the most debated . but this DOES sanctions irrespective of the context and occasion ..

also ... with regard... the abrogation , abrogated and abrogating .....there is a hugh array of arguments in favor as well against it ..... its a very long and sort of inconclusive debate like I said earlier .... and I am in no mood to go all over it again ...

the bottom line , like I said ..... " it is inbuilt ....'" ..... not only in case of Islam , but for all religions , especially Abrahimic divine ones.... else how could you explain the sanction of Inquisition in Christanity , ....the Church Found arguments and justification in the religious material that why they choose of implement it .... ie it was already there... only Church used it....

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There is a reason that law is in place, because there are mullahs inciting people to 'defend Prophet's namoos'. If we didn't have this law mullahs would still create a mob and kill someone who was accused of blasphemy. In fact, this law could potentially save someone who was falsely accused of blasphemy.

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I am sorry but that is bull****. If anything it makes sure innocent people end up dead.

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like this law allows people to kill someone as a mob? :konfused:

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This law states basically that its a crime. When it is not. And people get caught up in the fact that since its a crime he must be punished and lets do it.

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No, people get caught up in the thoughts that ‘molvi sahib says he is wajib-ul-qatl’, not “crime”… who cares about what is crime and what is not a crime anymore :hehe:

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First let me say all religions Abrahimic or not, do boast about their validity and on being on the right side. Why go after abrahimic religions selectively? Do you belong to hinduism or something?

2- You are mentioning something which has been hugely misinterpreted. You do not want to go in detail. Fine.

3- Wars and killings have occurred in this world based on many reasons and non-religious reasons predominate.

4- Killing another countrymen over land, perceived danger/ preemptive strike, control over resources and; plain and simple nationalism are few other factors you should also feel bad about. These are also reasons when we the 'human' have killed each other.

Lastly, like I said earlier..... it is some people who are sick and evil, and these people are to be blamed.
The differences including the religious differences are not to be blamed.

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So the answer is to keep legislation that encourages and rewards this mentality. Makes a lot of sense.

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In fact, this law could potentially save someone who was falsely accused of blasphemy.
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How many people has it saved so far?

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..there you go again , repeating your own earlier arguments , I said religion all religions ] , ....especially Abrahimic as a case among religion ] , because it claims Divine roots .

... Religion sanctions barbarity , its an inbuilt trait in any religion .... of course there are other factors too for the human barbarity ,but then it is called barbarity , ....but when its done in the name of religion , its condoned because religion allows it .......and people find arguments and justifications and reasons from within religion ....

Christanity sanctioned Inquistion , Islam sanctions blasphemy as well as Takfeer to declare other Kafirs , hence wajub-ul-Qatl ] ... you can argue about the wrongness of interpretations ...but that is exactly the point ...it is there ..in the first place ...that why its interpreted ....

so you see , we are going in circles ... so this is my last post on this subject ... if you want to understand it again.... then read my earlier posts again ...

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Every religion claims divine roots in one way or other

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... Religion sanctions barbarity , its an inbuilt trait in any religion .... of course there are other factors too for the human barbarity ,but then it is called barbarity , ....but when its done in the name of religion , its condoned because religion allows it .......and people find arguments and justifications and reasons from within religion ....
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As Diwana has already pointed out lemme name a few occasion where religios zombies failed to turn up but still hundredthousands or even millions died .... the American North vs. the American South ..... The Spanish Empire against the English Empire ..... the 30 year war in Europe .... the WW1 and the WW2 ..... in the mentioned wars most parties were christians and at times from the same sect within christians .... or Japenese killing spree against the chinese

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Christanity sanctioned Inquistion , Islam sanctions blasphemy as well as Takfeer to declare other Kafirs , hence wajub-ul-Qatl ] ... you can argue about the wrongness of interpretations ...but that is exactly the point ...it is there ..in the first place ...that why its interpreted ....
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I don't know about the Bible or the Torah for that matter but please point a verse in the Holy Qur'an (only Quranic verse so please no Hadith etc.) which condones or even asks/suggests to declare soneone "wajub-ul-Qatl" .... maybe u can enlighten me

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so you see , we are going in circles ... so this is my last post on this subject ... if you want to understand it again.... then read my earlier posts again ...
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Would u also lay the blame at the doorstep of Religion for the henios crime against the 2 boys in Sialkot (in 2011 i think) ????

As Chacha Ghalib wrote in an earlier Post ..... These PPL have made a habit of going after each others throat ..... when all this began against us Ahamdis we pointed out this very matter .....

It's a dangerous development no question about that ..... but then it's a whole society that doesn't see which direction it's going and PPL tend to ignore or even condone it until they r in the firing line ..... Sad but true

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"....And kill them wherever you find them..... "
[sura touba verse no 6 ]
.is one among many ..... its the most famous ... irrespective of its context is the most quoted /'debated / and used verse........google it you will tons of references for it ...

also there are tons of material in Hadiths on similar topic .....sanctioning similiar actions ...etc..

the justification , reference to context , analogies to other factors for barbaric behavior are irrelevant ... condemn able as they are .... point is simple...

....Religion Sanctions it ...

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like i said , all argument after a point become circular , just like you did , repeated the same objections ...someone else earlier posted ...the same reference to other factors , the same comparing to other heneous crimes , the same argument ....etc.etc.etc..

the bottom line , all those incidents , references and voilence caused by non-religious factors are also condemn able ...and cannot be justified ....but religion takes a high moral ground ...and when it sanctions them........then well ...well well ..... you can wonder on the exclusive high moral ground it has taken ..

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Nope, the law is ir-relevant, whether to keep it or remove it is not going to help in creating mobs and killing people accused of blasphemy.

'potentially'

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You are shockingly dim. Ahmadis are about as likely to say they are non Muslim as Sunnis are. You should encourage them by first admitng you are not a Muslim, how about it?

Pakistanis will just have to learn to live with Ahmadis, regardless of what they call themselves, or continue this insanity, suit yourself.