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yes, i am glad u agree to this....
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ofcourse relationships guarantee nothing in the general case. if their fazeelat was implicit, why would the prophet take them in his cloak and explicitly spell out that these four people are my family and pray to Allah to purify them?
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Arm: well if we're talking about the Ahlul Bayt then thats another story all together.The prophet (saw) and the Quran specified these people. Apart from them, if your talking about the likes of Abu Jahal and Lahab, well their relationship didnt garantee them much did it.
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so for some ppl family relations do matter, but for others they don’t… 
we r moving back in circles now…
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so u was talking about the Ahl ul Bayt? :halo:
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alrite I’ll end your confusion for you. what me and mooli bibi are saying is:
- relationship doesnt guarantee any status. keyword: guarantee.
- certain relations of the Prophet(pbuh&up) are hated because of their actions
- other relations of the Prophet(pbuh&up), whom we and the Prophet called his aal, who were pure of action and character, the best examples of the Prophet’s religion after the Prophet(pbuh&up), were purified and elevated in rank which we substantiate through ahadees and the Quran.
i gave the specific reference from sahih Muslim here:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/031.smt.html#031.5955
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THANKS ALL FOR REPLIES. JAZAKALLAH
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Finally we had a sane discussion! 
AQ woh poetry urdu thee? 
Shuroo shuroo mein kuch samaj ae…
Ya, molvi gave a lecture on how relationships don’t gurantee janaat.
I read Irem’s question, first thing that came to my mind was Hussain a.s. mujh say hai or mein Hussain say…
There’s one saying (I forgot by who)
Ghardan-e Shabbir a.s. say khoon-e-Mohammad pbuh bayh giya.
The blood of the Prophet pbuh (actually) streamed from the (injured) neck of Hussain a.s.
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jo samajh naa aayee woh Farsi thee :-p
No, seriously 
it was farsi!
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That’s what I thought too.
Meree urdu kitnee bhee buree nahin ho saktee kay mujhe kuch samaj na i . 
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You know I was seriously thinking and I realized how true it is these days that Iqbal said when we see what is happening in Arab and Iraq:
Qaflaa-e-Hijaaz maiN aik Hussain:razi: bhee naheeN
**Garchay hai Taabdaar abhi waadi-e-Dajla-O-Furaat **
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I didn't get this ....Garchay hai Taabdaar abhi waadi-e-Dajla-O-Furaat
Hijaaz meaning?
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Hijaaz is the name of area that includes Madina Munawwarh, Makka-e-Mo'azzima, Taaif and surrounding areas.
Dajla-O-Furat are two rivers in shaam and Iraq I guess.... and waadi you know..... and taabdaar means bright :)
now read it again :)
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“Garchay” kiya hota hai
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Although
it’s a vairant of “Agarchay” mostly used in poetry for the balancing purpose.
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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
Now I understand.
Thanks for explaining.
Now..... yeh samjado......
Sidq-e-Khaleel bhee hai Ishq, Sabr-e-Hussain bhee hai Ishq
**Ma'rka-e-Wujood maiN Badr-O-Hunayn bhee hai Ishq!
Sidq-e-Khaleel - ? {Sidq-e referring to the word Sadqa?}
**The second sentence I don't understand at all.
Ma'rka -e- Wujood - ? {wujood is body but what's Ma'rka?}
Badr-O-Hunayn - ? {is it something to do with battle of Badr?}
Thanks for your patience. :D
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****Sidq-e-Khaleel -
Sidq meaning the truthfullness … you know the words : Siddique, Sadiq.. .. and Khaleel is the title of Hazrat Ibraheem:as:
Ma’rka -e- Wujood - ? {wujood is body but what’s Ma’rka?}
Wujood can be meant Existence too I guess.. and Ma’rka meaning battle
Badr-O-Hunayn - ?
Badr and Hunayn were two ghaz’waat as you rightly understood about bad’r
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Ohhhhhhhh!!!!! Now I get it.
Thanks alot. :)
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Each side will use Quranic verses in support of their arguments but it's apparent the verses do not support any POV, rather post Qur'anic stories attempting to give context to the verses.. which also differ on both sides of the divide.
The whole concept of Islam as a 'unique' religion in it's times was because it allowed EVERYONE a right to be close to Allah; no matter what their lineage. The absence of Kingdom, Princes and Royals and the shattering of the Arab-Non-Arab distinction was a major attraction of the religion. Why would we want to take the religion back hundreds of years and argue for someone's superiority based on familial ties to the Prophet?
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^ yeah so each side should come up to you so you can really explain the Holy Quran
anyways each side agree on ayat e mubahila..it talks about Prophet (pbuh&up) and His Ahlul Bait (Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain (a.s.))