NO OFFENCE is meant to anyone. its a question out of curiosity.
its been in my head since i have been watching the Ashura programs this Moharram on TV. and had a discussion with someone on this topic as well. they presented a very “wordly” and “statesman” view of waqa-e-Karbala (event of Karbala) and it really left me with some questions…
so…with ALL due respect
i would be grateful if someone can please answer me based on ISLAMIC reasoning/logic/proof…jazakallahu khairan
hmmm…
we all know that Abu Lahab and Abu Jahal were BLOOD uncles of our Prophet (saw) … yet they were evil men
this means that just because someone is related to our Prophet (saw) by blood does not in any way make them better…
Hazrat Ali (RA) has been glorified because of his personal actions. and that makes sense. b/c in Islam we are only and only accountable for our ACTIONS and thats what separates Muslims in their levels of Jannah. NOT their ancestry.
but I saw that most commentators on TV were trying to glorify Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA) because he is the nawaasa-e-Rusool. grandson of the Prophet (SAW)
my question is…ISLAMICALLY, is that a correct justification for his glorification? Should his praise not be based on his actions? Though I can understand the emotional attachment Muslims have with the future generations of the Prophet (saw) and so we get emotional and sentimental and sympathetic about this…but… how does Hz Hussain (RA)'s being related to the Prophet (saw) give him a special darja/muqaam/level? Islamically in fact it should NOT, am i right or wrong?
Actually…I found it kind of a distraction from the main theme that the commentators gave so much emphasis to this that Hz Imam Hussain (RA) was our Prophet (saw)'s grandson…because that was not the point that should have been highlighted IMHO…The point to be highlighted is his ACTIONS and the CAUSE he stood for, not his ancectry, even IF it is from the Prophet (saw). am i right or wrong?
I hope I have not hurt someone’s feelings by my post I apologize if this is the case. It was not my intention at all GS Rel forum is the only place easily accessible where so many learned people come and contribute openly (mashallah) who can give some convincing answers to these questions… so I decided to post here…
I didn't say that we should not glorify Hz Imam Hussain (RA) naozobillah.. I mean... Ofcourse we should.... BUT...I'm talking about the JUSTIFICATION for that glorification.
Its not supposed to be the ancestry. according to what Islam teaches us. but b/c of his ACTIONS.
Thats what I mean.
I doubt that Shia brothers and sisters would be offended by this?
The flip side of the question is… if someone, other than a direct descendent of the Prophet (Peace be upon him), had stood up to face an unjust ruler of his time and is killed in the battlefield, would muslim remember him with such regularity and ferocity for so many years?
There is definitely some rutba associated with the ahl e beht because of their association with the Prophet. If we look at the lineage of the Prophets, we see that often they came from the same family across generations. So blood does play a part, although the examples of Abu Jehal and Hazrat Nooh’s son show that hereditry means nothing if you yourself are not worthy of it.
The prophet loved Imam Hussain very, very much (and remember, he died when Imam Hussain was still na baligh), and acting on ‘qul la asalu aleikum ajran illal mawaddata bil qurba’ where we treat qurba as the ahlebeyt, we revere them too.
Anyway heres some ahadith.. and theres quite a few that Im leaving out because I dont have an online link for them (from tirmizi, musnad ibn humbal waghera.. but browse through these references if u wish to trust the website on its authenticity http://www.shianews.com/hi/articles/islam/0000070.php)
Irem, are you saying that Prophet Mohammad is an ordinary man and lineage to him is no way a ticket to Janat? And he will be questioned like anyone else on the day of Qiyamat? He will be asked to justify his actions and other stuff?
What’s exactly there to ask? Does any of that make any difference? Who wants to know?
Im serious. We know about respect and Jannah and everything else to do with our Prophet (SAW) . We also know which of his companions or reltaives were pious and will be rewarded with Jannah.
What makes anyone think that "every single" person who claims to be related to the Prophet - really is. And secondly how does a relation help if they do not abide by what Islam has asked of them.
Shias are only praising the family of prophet and nobody should have issues with that. I didn’t approve of the way they express themselves but I am over that phase too. It’s not my body nor my eyes.
As for the justification for glorifying Hazrat Imam Hassan based on his relation with prophet, it can’t be considered wrong either. You can say they 'over do' it but I don’t think there is such a term for a person for whom you hold strong emotional feelings .
dat will be prophet {{{ ‘:saw:’ }}}rite ravage!!! and a question for the shi’ite any 1 of u guys feel free 2 answer. after muharram shareef during other islamic months for instance rabi-ul-awaal do u guys mourn the death of prophet :saw: in exactly the same manner as u guys feel for haz’ imam hussein and co’???
ager main lyari king hota to iss waqt kehta kay thora parh leti na to yeh sawal nahi ubharta :)
anyways ravage has posted some great ahadith from the famous sunni books..it shows u the importance of His (pbuh&up) Family (a)
there is also a famous hadith which both shia sunni agree and it goes something like this "Hussain (a.s.) is from ME (pbuh&up) and I (pbuh&up) am from Hussain (a.s.)
you are pretty smart..what do you think about this hadith? when He (pbuh&up) said Hussain (a.s.) is from me, well its natural He (a.s.) is the grandson of Prophet (pbuh&up) but then saying I (pbuh&up) am from Hussain (a.s.)..i think this should just explain your question
"abhi insaan ko baydaar to ho lainay do..har qom pukare gi hamaray hain Hussain (a.s.)"
Ravvy (dekha kitna cool nick banaya hae mein ne tumhara ) kia haal chaal hae?
yaar OK…see, I get you completely.
If we look at the lineage of the Prophets, we see that often they came from the same family across generations. <<<<
lekin hum sub shuru toh Adam (AS) se huay haen na?
so phir LINEAGE kia cheez hae?
its nothing if you think about it mere khayal se
The Prophet (saw) LOVED his grandsons. Fine.
Lekin, the whole point of Islam is that EACH human being is judged for THEIR actions. haena? Then how can being the descendent of the Prophet (SAW) be a plus point for anyone? Does that have any basis in the Quran? If so, show…?
I know bachpan se hum ye sab bhee sunte aye haen ke jis ne hifz kya ho ga woh 20 (forgot the exact number) logon ko jannat mein jagah dilva sakta hae and things like that. LEKIN think about it, kisi ko MUFT mein jannat kaise mil sakti hae yaar SIFARISH k thru???
khair…Allah BEHTER jaanta hae…
and btw…no hard feelings haan I mean, you know me I’m just asking betukay befuzool questions I’m not one of those people who are anti-shia or whatever. Mein toh khud guanhgaar insaan hoon deen se doore hoon boht zaada mujhay shia sunni ki fikar nai balkay apni fikar hae
Fayz I get you. Lekin my point is k agar Imam Hussain (RA) kee tareef kerni hae toh ye keh keh karnay kee tukk toh nai na banti ke he is nawasa-e-Rusool? I mean, is mein koi TAREEF kee baat toh nai hae na ke he was nawasa-e-Rusool? TAREEF kee baat toh ye hae na ke he made that SACRIFICE. Toh phir log is baat ko kyun ziada importance dete haen ke he is nawasa-e-Rusool? That actually goes against the spirit of Islam b/c Islamically no one is to be given credit simply because of ancestry. THAT was my point. I don’t know if it makes sense? Actually you know, I don’t know what my point is
luc Karbala is different from the death of the Prophet (saw) na. I mean, Karbala was a tragedy and Hz Imam Hussain (RA) made a SACRIFICE. So that’s why mourning is involved in Karbala.
Sheraz bhai hmmm I c Thanks for sharing the hadith
acha please read my reply to Fayz above and tell me your thoughts on that also?
Fayz remembered one more thing: Abu Jahal aur Abu Lahab se hamein ye example bhee toh milta hae na ke praising someone simply because they belong to the family of the Prophet (saw) is not justifiable?
irem i know what you are saying but again Allah and Prophet (pbuh&up) of Allah is giving them the importance
"Verily Allah desires to remove all blemish from you, O Ahl al-Bayt, and to purify you with a perfect purification."
- Quran 33:33
When the above verse was revealed, Prophet Muhammad spread his cloak over Hazrat Ali, Lady Fatima, Hassan, and Hussain (peace be upon them all) and declared: "These are the members of my House, and Allah has purified them all."
i believe you can find this hadith in sahih muslim as well
bibi, kisi nai kab kaha kei ahl e beyt ki fazeelat mehez rishtey ki bina pe thi. theek hei hum sab Hazrat Adam se hein, lekin sab utnay ehel nahi hein.
and by lineage i dont mean ancestry i mean direct descendents… Ibrahim Ishaq Yaqub Yusuf I dont know the order.. but I think most of them are direct descendents from hazrat Ibrahim.
I posted the hadith-e-kissa where the prophet took Hazrat Ali, Fatima, Hassan and Hussain into his cloak, called them his family, and prayed to Allah to purify them. I believe we tie this to ayat e tatheer as sheraz posted. thereby there is some significance to their being kin of the Prophet in addition to his familial love for them.
but dont you agree that in addition to Imam Hussain’s tragic death by itself, the fact that he was the grandson of the Prophet who we owe our eemaan to, and who loved him so much, doesnt that make it more tragic? its one thing to hear about the death of someone you barely know, another to hear about the death of your loved one.
"But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say: Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars."
- Quran 3:61 Ayah-e Mubahila
This verse, known as Ayah-e Mubahila, was revealed when the Christians of Najran had contested Prophet Muhammad's claims to Prophethood and upon the instructions in the above Ayah, a confrontation of sorts was arranged where there would be a settlement of affairs.
As outlined in the verse, each party to the event was to bring their women, their sons, and Anfusana, their nearest of kin and of kind.
The Christians brought a great delegation of clergy and learned scholars whereas Prophet Muhammad summoned Hazrat Ali, Bibi Fatima, and his grand-children Hassan, and Hussain and said: "O Allah, these are the Members of my Household," and led them to the agreed location.
As the Christian delegation saw these Five Purified souls approach, they quickly conferred among themselves and pleaded to call off the Mubahila at their vision of these Holy Spirits. They agreed to not question the nobility of the Prophet and his message again. A treaty was drawn up by Hazrat Ali to seal this agreement and the Muslims were never troubled by these Christians again.
and Irem, sunni also believe in this..i don't know if u were watching alim online during the first 10 days..a sunni scholer himself spoke about this ayat..i am forgetting his name
and co’???
) kia haal chaal hae?
sigh
Actually you know, I don’t know what my point is 
