As far as the bold part concerns, thats your personal opinion and I respect is as much as you hold it.
My personal opinion is based on the teaching of Allah 's final messenger Muhammad ( PBUH) - who said on the day of his final Hajj ..He said
And beware of transgressing the limits set in the matters of religion, for it is transgression of (the proper bounds of) religion that brought destruction to many people before you.
He also said
Behold! Worship your Lord; offer prayers five times a day; observe fast in the month of Ramadhaan; pay readily the Zakat (poor due) on your property; and perform pilgrimage to the House of God and obey your rulers and you will be admitted to the Paradise of your Lord
Thus it completes my religion on what he said ... not on what others privately do to seek Allah's attention and love ...
Shari'ah has to be in tact ... to assert anything to Rumi about him doing anything against Shari'ah I disregard ... Rumi loved Allah (SWT) and it was out of his love he moved ... it is reverse programming - some people move to induce love in themselves for Him ...
From my limited knowledge "dancing per se is not against the Shar'ah"
^ It was Islam's Golden age that this beautiful rendition of the Sema with tranquil poetry came in to being, now we live in a despotic trynnical extremist mullah rule so we can't picture something as beautiful as Sema being connecting with Allah. Sufism has lost its roots its no longer what it used to be. Men have created their own demi-gods and have become gods themselves. In this world i don't expect people to look past their petty toys and in to their souls. If Rumi saw this thread he'd have only one thing to say.
**“In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest where no-one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art.” **
With the logic that the Prophet p.b.u.h didn't do it himself thus making it unacceptable, he did not sit in an airplane or browse the internet either,.
yes they did not. But then we also dont consider using internet a form of ibadat
yes they did not. But then we also dont consider using internet a form of ibadat
Nor did he say that you must worship 24/7 making every act of human life a worship one? 5 times a day to pray the rest you can use to go about your daily lives. So sitting on the internet or in a plane wouldn't be worship, nor is Sema a form of worship its just to connect your inner self with God and to eliminate desires. Wearing a woolen frock symbolizing poverty and purity and spinning on a circle just how the planets do in accordance with God's laws. What is so hard about this?
nor is Sema a form of worship its just to connect your inner self with God and to eliminate desires. ?
ok ok got it. I think i got confused that it had been presented as form of ibabdat.
But if it is form of connecting to God, it may not be duplicate, right? This connection may or may not happen and results would vary from person to person, right?
ok ok got it. I think i got confused that it had been presented as form of ibabdat.
But if it is form of connecting to God, it may not be duplicate, right? This connection may or may not happen and results would vary from person to person, right?
Yeah its totally subjective, the Sufi school of thoughts teach different paths to reaching God. There is no one proper method and result definitely vary from person to person.
Yeah its totally subjective, the Sufi school of thoughts teach different paths to reaching God. There is no one proper method and result definitely vary from person to person.
so Sufism is more of a philosophy than an actual sect, if you may. I mean I can be hanafi and Sufi, and someone can be Shia and sufi at the same time. is that right?
I have seen people practicing sama and it never seemed a ‘kind of a dance’ to me. The dedication and devotion with which they do it is admirable to say the least.
I wish I could lose myself like that while praying to God.
oh and as a side note, I just love this song and it depicts what bullay shah poem is about.
well thank God SOMEONE actually read a post of mine in this thread :D
madame mubarak ho, I read it too. :D
And yes Sufism is not a sect or a doctrine by any means. It is a philosophy. Even if I cannot relate totally to it, I admire certain devotional aspects of it.
^ It was Islam's Golden age that this beautiful rendition of the Sema with tranquil poetry came in to being, now we live in a despotic trynnical extremist mullah rule so we can't picture something as beautiful as Sema being connecting with Allah. Sufism has lost its roots its no longer what it used to be. Men have created their own demi-gods and have become gods themselves. In this world i don't expect people to look past their petty toys and in to their souls. If Rumi saw this thread he'd have only one thing to say.
**“In your light I learn how to love. In your beauty, how to make poems. You dance inside my chest where no-one sees you, but sometimes I do, and that sight becomes this art.” **
Peace McPendo
I have no qualms with Sema ... my disturbance is over what you have hinted above that "men have created their demi-gods or become gods" I agree this has happened and as a result there is much confusion about tassuwwuf. I also have never believed that Rumi or other saints will break their prayer to swirl or at any time drink wine or any thing like that ... Just as I do not believe that Omar Khayyam wrote volumes of romantic poetry and had a "love for wine".
The mystics of Islam will never break the requirements of Shari'ah - the 5 pillars and related matters ... hence the well known sufi statement:
"There is no tariqah without shari'ah"
I know in the subcontinent people who have followed the mystics have taken up the consumption of opium and poets often drink alcohol to sort of make a point ... but it is all wrong. Again the sema is called an art form as are other hadra techniques, but these are quite natural displays that can come out without any training. The mystics who fell in love would do these - so it turned out that if people copy the behaviour of the sufi mystics then it would induce love in them. Hadra is hence an exercise designed for invigorating the soul to awaken and begin loving its Creator. In the past closer to the light of RasoolAllah it was not needed as people had the light close to them.
