The raging controversy in Islam

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Every muslim is or should be a mujahid…there is no such thing as Jihadi or jihadist.

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Mauli was right - the moderates follow the interpretation of the quran taking in consideration of todays reality.

whereas the others - probably just follow the interpretations of their particular mullah or Allim, without using their own logic.

I wish the moderates would win, but I doubt it.

So why are men so desperate?
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LAMO!!! This post should be in jokes. Actually this entire thread...

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No, you got it wrong, you should be in the jokes forum, LAMO!!!

btw what is so funny about this thread, care to explain?

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nobody answered my question:(...fine ignore me, I don't care

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Brother USResident answered each and every point you made in your first post but you're just being wohi murgh ki aik taang.

I think you just missed his post, please read it and comment on it.

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bcoz its off topic.

but for your satisfaction I try to answer your concern.

Muslim men can marry pious Christian and Jew women who believe in One God and don't do idol worship and set partners unto Allah.

Muslim women can only marry muslim men, why? Because there are plenty of reasons but the most important one is that this is the command of Allah and his messenger(peace be upon him).

Now if you see logically, Christians and Jews don't respect our Prophet Muhammad(SAW), they even don't consider him a prophet and they call him a liar(Audhubillah), if a christian or jewish husband says something bad about Prophet Muhammad(SAW) in front of his muslim wife then his wife would become upset and angry with her husband as we muslims love Prophet Muhammad(SAW) the most in all human beings, more than our children and husband and parents.

Now if a christian or jewish woman's husband is a muslim, she'll never face this situation bcoz we muslims believe in all the prophets and we respect them equally.

Hope this answers your question.

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way too much generalization...it is time that we come out of our little nests and explore the world.

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Only a KAAFIR would want to change the Quran... Not any muslim would want that... Quran is the ORATIONS of the GOD in Islamic faith and changing it, is like putting words in God's mouth... Muslims do not do that.

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Amwar Q Bhai
Interpretations - why are there so many interpretations??.

Some read it and there is a peaceful co existance with all other religions & beliefs, whereas others read it and want to go up and blow up innocent people of different beliefs.

The question arises again & again - why are there so many interpretatilons, so vastly different from each other?.

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pinks, can you supply the passage(s) from the Quran which state that listening to music is forbidden?

And that dancing is forbidden?
That owning a dog is forbidden?
That good Muslims cannot acknowledge the holidays of other religions?

I've not finished reading the Quran but I dont recall reading that these things are forbidden.

Your idea of purdah for Muslims and "mini-skirts" for everyone else is kind of absurd. There are ways to dress modestly in the west and its not the majority of women who wear miniskirts. As far as alcohol, it is an accepted fact of life here yet it is definitely NOT a requirement to partake of it and there are many who do not - Muslim and otherwise. Same with gambling. And guys only get "brownie points" for ogling and passing comments when they are in their obnoxious teen years. After that, its considered anywhere from impolite to absolutely crude. So talking about the "realities of life" in the west and fitting in, you dont need to take things way out of proportion. It is absolutely possible to nicely fit in here without compromising your beleifs, values and practices.

I seem to recall reading in the Quran that the seeking of all knowledge is not only a good thing, but a required thing. Is it your opinion though that seeking knowledge about other religions is forbidden? Or that male med students cannot learn about the female body and vice versa? That the seeking of knowledge is selective? I just cannot imagine that the Quran would direct a follower not to wish a christian "merry christmas" or that Allah would send a man to Hell for bringing home a rose to his wife on valentines day.

I guess this means I;m one of those "moderates"

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most of what youv'e asked has already been answered... plz refer to previous posts.

my initial post was a combination of sarcasm & exaggeration (something used to emphasis my point). No where did i say that all gores wear miniskirt, however, it is something acceptable in their culture (if u want proof of that and worse, visit australia in the summer!).... this was written bcoz Malhot was enquiring as to why islam is not "up to times" with current issues, and he mentioned the muslim women still choosing to cover up! do u agree that we shud change that which is ordained in the Quran and Sunnah to keep up with the times. As for a muslim girl who is relatively more covered up then the average gora.... the point is that wearing skinny jeans and a tight top ensuring that there is no skin show is not good enuf... it is not acceptable in islam... You mention modestly dressed women in the west, well the only definition of modest is that which u get from the Quran and sunnah... not what we think of it.

Malhot wanted Islam to be up with the times... and if the times reflect a culture of a greater level of chichorapan, then does that make it ok? for muslim men, such acts are a SIN!

ummm... i never said that seeking knowledge is a bad thing... i cant see where ur'e coming from.

as far as your other queries go, Iv'e already answered them so i dont wanna repeat myself.

Let me re-emphasis, my post was directed to Malhot's suggestion that Islam needs to be updated to the times, my quesiton to you is, since pre-marital relations is "in" in our times, shud Islam changes its interpretation to accomodate for such vulgarity?

Wassalam

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^ That's like telling the lady at the cash register check out that she's not "up to times" with current issues because she didn't come to work in a miniskirt.

Plenty of non-muslims wear modest clothing, and you certainly do not become out of fashion if you are modest in your dress.

Now yeah, if you want to parade around in a shuttle burqa, you will attract attention.

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^ u clearly havn't read my post properly... i'll say it again: i never said all goras these days do/must wear miniskirts, all i said is that it is acceptable to them to do so!

secondly, if a women isn't dressed in accordance to that which is prescribed in the Quran & Sunnah, then to a Beleiving Muslim, it cant be considered "modest", as the definition of "modesty" have already been provided in out deen.

i personally dont know anyone who wears a shuttle burqa, how many do you personally know? and they may attract attention, but its not with the same intention as checking out a girl with attractive hair, figure, etc (what ever else men find attractive)

Wassalam

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Most of the "talk" that happens in cafe and general section of this forum, is it idle talk or some worthwhile talk??...

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In principle, i agree with u. No need to convert. Actually, the very concept of conversion, happens only in your mind. Eventually he is the same person with a different name. But, your assumption is somewhat wrong. All don't have One God. Most of the Hindus don't have any One god(going by what they do). If there is One god, then of all the zillions of gods which hindus worship, all will get eliminated. That means, hindus(who also believe that there is One God) will have to accept that Most of their gods are fictional or non existent.

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ugh, Hindus believe that the one true God is expressed in different forms or the zillions of gods. "God is indeed a timeless and formless entity. Just like Allah of Islam, the Tao of Taoism, and Ayin of the Kabbalah have no definition, the God in Hinduism has no definition"("am I a Hindu") by Ed Viswanathan

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Pinks, I think the point was missed. The things that you purport to be forbidden really are not forbidden in the Quran - rather they are forbidden by interpretations of the Quran I think.

The purpose of Islaam should bring peace and serenity to its followers and allow them to spread this peace and serenity. I am SO impressed when I meet these "peaceful people" as I like to call them. They have something that is beyond measure and something that every human should strive towards. When you take Islaam to the extremes that have been mentioned in this thread, it spreads nothing but negativeness and does nothing good for the religion. You'd call these peaceful people moderates but they're the ones that are helping to educate the western world that Islaam is a good and peaceful religion. Those who are NOT moderate always seem agressive and looking for a fight, always seem to be on the hunt for jews and westerners. Thats not the purpose of Islaam. IMHO.

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Salam,

That would be an interpertation of its own then wouldn't it?

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thats the thing Crescent...its all in the interpretation isnt it?