The raging controversy in Islam

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Are you sure? Many times, the Allams end up looking like idiots.
The only reason anyone walks away from them is because they are either disgusted or simply lose all respect for the so called allim.

See Allams cant discuss anything beyond the confines of their own shallow understanding of the world… They lose as soon as they are forced to justify their beliefs beyond the context of their own little world.

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When was the last time you sat down with an alim?

And if you haven't, then guess who remains the ignorant and the shallow? How can you argue with a neurosurgeon about brain surgery when you have not ever opened a book about brain surgery?

Try it...Then find out who ends up looking like an idiot...

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:rolleyes:

Right, you keep on trying to be an Arab wannabe. By your own definition, you really shouldn’t be on a Pakistani cultural board on the internet. Please try to find an Arab cultural board, and leave us sensible people to our own lives.

Interfering good for nothing people…iman se…pathani kahan se aajathay hain.

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The new schtick: Anyone who wants to follow the Holy Prophet :saw: is now termed ‘Arab Wannabe’…

It’s like saying, that when the pope wears a Yarmulke he’s a Jew wannabe…Or when a Buddhist wears a saffron robe, he wants to be a Buddhist wannabe, or when a nun wears a habit, she wants to be a nun wannabe…

How ignorance runs deep…

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I don't want to be a moderate or an extremist.....bcoz both are bunch of ignorants................................................I just want to be a muslim. :)

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Oye larayee nai karo

hsssshhhh :nono1:

barishhhhhhh aapko kya yaad dilati haiii
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Prophet Muhammad(SAW) or Prophet Ibrahim(AS)?

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:salam:

First I would like to clarify there is no raging controversy among muslims or our scholars but the controversy is among those are unable to digest muslims with their own identity. Definitely you’ll find muslims who want to assimilate into cultures abundant with practices which are actually prhibitions in Islam, however that is not controversial but a lack of faith and understanding on part of those muslims and it is also intolerance on part of the people from those differing cultures to accept muslims along with their beliefs as long as it does not harm them. Why should a muslim have to alter his ways to become friends with people from other cultures, where is the respect and toleranace from people in other cultures, which allows us to befriend each other and yet respect our boundaries.

Muslims do not befriend people from other religions or cultures contingent upon them changing their beliefs but there has to be some respect for each other and avoidance of things which could generate snetimental greivances between the two. It is unfair of other people if they want to form a relationship which implicitly requires muslims to give up their beliefs and things that are honourable to them, muslims do not reciprocate in this way.

This statement bares the inherent problem with understanding Islam even by many muslims. When it is said “Islam to take into consideration”, it implies that Islam is finite and rigid. Islam is a framework of principles accompanied with a nominal routine of worship. Realities of life change as time progresses or have changed as it has lapsed. The natural principles of this life do not change with time yet we can and should expect them to evolve with different applications. Realities of todays life are not all based on moralistic principles much as many realities of 7th century Arabia were not either based on moralistic principles. Irrespective of the time epoch you may live in, realities do not always have to be acceptable, that is why reality changes. What was real yesterday may not be real today, if it still is then it may not be tomorrow.

What sort of music are we talking about here and what kind of dancing? Music may have its advantages for some but then are there not better alternatives which yield the same advantages. What do you say of a musical artist who on one hand might sing songs professing the might and glory of God and then also sing songs about romance and carnal pleasures and lores of love. You need to have a character that does not mold in either to become a mouth piece for both.

Dance, what is dance all about? If its excercise, then what prevents you from excercising. If you take excercise out of the dance then what is left except sexuality and display of it to each other and others. For a muslim who believes no except his wife who is permissble for him to touch would end up dancing in the crowd with others or staring at others. Would you like to see your family member put on a display that stimulates others in a crowd?

Dogs are allowed as pets for certain purposes. Will having a dog as a pet in a muslims life bring him good fortunes?

Islam is perhaps the only religion which has respect for other faiths which profess God. None of the other Abrahamic religions accept Muhammad SAW as a prophet but Islam recognizes their prophets, it doesn’t get anymore evident that that. Tolerating others religions is not pre-packaged with acceptance of others beliefs, if it were, it renders your religious philosophy meaningless. Tolerance implies giving justice and rights to people from other religions not attesting their faith.

Quranic commandments are not applied if the situation does not exist. This is your short sightedness in understanding faith. You are asking muslims to change their fundamental beliefs. Would Christians abandon their belief or amend the Bible to say that Jesus PBUH is not the son of God or similar things in other religions so they can befriend muslims?

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Walaykum salaam

Very well said brother USResident. JazakAllah

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Armchair jihadis crack me up.

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All these talks/discussion revolves around the interpretation, how one interpret the Quran and Sunah. As per the saying of Prophet Muhammad :saw: the deen of Islam was completed on his (Muhammad :saw) last Khutba (Sermon)

Now only if Allah :swt: could make everything visible to us, whats in our surroundings, what we are being tested on and how the punishment will be given and all that. Only than we will not have time to even think about all this non-sense. Even though it has been stated in Quran and Sunah but I am talking about if Allah :swt: make the unseen visible only than everyone will have the answers. BUT than it will not be a test anymore and we will not be able to enter Paradise.

Just a thought but its not going to happen. I would suggest people to stick to your beliefs and try to first seek knowledge and truth than open your mouth to comment on it.

my 2 cents.

Charlie ki choti choti khushiyan :D
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JAK.

barishhhhhhh aapko kya yaad dilati haiii
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Originally posted by ** Hyperactive **

What happened where the Christians went? Do you forget the British rule of our subcontinent and the massive subjugation? Do you forget how Incas were annihilated? Do you forget how the Pueblo Indians were massacred? Do you forget the Crusades? The Inquisition? World war 1? World war 2 and so on and so on?

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What is the massive subjugation you are talking about. What is the number of christians in the country. For a moment just ponder how you guys became muslims. This would give you the glorious history you are harping about...

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Since all religions believe in the same one God and the word "Allah" is another name or avatar of that same one God, then why are non muslims supposed to convert to islam before marrying a muslim?

i never understood that...

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Arab Wannabe?

PCG, You dont know me at all, but then again, what else can be expected from a person who justifies things contrary to the Quran :slight_smile:

Modernists, are not acceptable in Islam.
Extremists are not acceptable in Islam.

Oh and Bullashullah, Every Muslim is a Jihaadi btw :rolleyes:

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Hi Pinks,

I would be interested in knowing which verse they would change so that it would be OK to listen to music.

Thanks

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Taken from islamqa.com:

“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allaah, without knowledge, and takes it (the Path of Allaah, the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell-fire).” [Luqmaan 31:6]

Most of the scholars interpreted lahw al-hadeeth (“idle talk”) as meaning singing and musical instruments, and every voice that diverts people from the truth.

Now if you are going to argue that idle talk doesn't entail songs & musical instruments, then plz refer to the kazillion other threads that have discussed the matter. You'd agree that most of the songs these days contain material which are totally prohibited in Islam (enhanced version of love with regards to extra-marital relationships, vulgar moves, scantly dressed women, violence, foul language, etc... )

Secondly, the words of the Prophet SAW:

It was reported in a saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “In my ummah there will be people who allow fornication/adultery (zina), silk, wine and musical instruments [ma’aazif].

Reported by al-Bukhaari

Wassalam

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Thanks for your reply. I guess I will not be arguing that idle talk doesnt entail songs etc....since I have kazillion threads to refer to.

But if you are going to stretch it to a wide spectrum then I would also include debates on forums as idle talk ....Just a thought!

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agreed... debating for the sake of debating is a waste of time... especially if one's intention is purely to maintain thier ego and rock the other person.

However, there is so much I have learnt from this forum as well... Mashallah there are a lot of very knowledgable ppl here who can present matters in ways that all can benifit.

Wassalam

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^^
You are right I too have learnt a lot from some dicussions. So you also agree there are forms of "idle talk" that are decent as well as forms of "idle talk" that are useless?