The punishment of apostate

[bella88]

Re: The punishment of apostate

@redvelvet

I know you’re not gonna get this, but I’m gonna say it anyway.

Christians and Jews don’t accept each others’ books. The two groups bash each other too; they make fun of each other. These same two groups also bash Islam. These two groups reject the Quran. But INTERESTINGLY, Islam is the only religion that accepts their books as well. Islam is the only religion of the three, whose holy book, acknowledges that there is a degree of validity to the books of the Christians and Jews.

See, Bella, you have once again only zeroed-in on the negative. Yes, the Quran does indeed say that the books of the christians and Jews were distorted/manipulated. But at the same time it ALSO says that there is a degree or extent of similarity/validity between the three books. So, we don’t say that their books were totally and entirely corrupted, we acknowledge that parts of their texts contain confirmation of what is in the Quran. The Quran told the Muslims to verify the message with the books that the Christian and Jews have.

RV, the moment you tell someone that their book is even partially corrupted and yours is the true one, it can be taken as an insult to their faith. please try to see things from other side as well.

You will NOT find Christians and Jews acknowledging any amount of validity of The Quran. But our book acknowledges to a degree, their validity. I am telling you this because you are attacking Muslims of bashing their books. And I shared with you that there is a degree of acceptance, to emphasuze to you that you are ONLY seeing ONE side. At least I acknowledged BOTH things, I acknowledge that we believe their books have been tampered with…but i also KNOW that we believe in a degree of validity as well. You won’t find even a little bit of validation of Islam from the other two religions. I am showing you the flip-side of the coin, while you’re only staring…not even staring …but glaring at one side.

I am not one sided here, but you are. you have failed to acknowledge that people from other faith can be offended when they are told their belief is corrupted and false.

I do not expect you to accept this explanation of mine because I anticipate that you will reject this too, or try to negate it completely…whereas I still agreed with you in the partial corruption of the books. But I highly doubt that you will agree with me on the point I’ve made above.
It’s not us who say that their books are partially tampered with. You like to say…“You Muslims do this and that.” We Muslims believe that the Quran is Allah’s word, not the Prophet’s. It’s Allah’s word. We believe that it is Allah who says that the books have been tampered with.

yes, thats your belief, that doesn’t mean everyone must accept it. you believe Allah says that, while people of other faith donot believe in that. so try and see things from their POV as well, and try to see what they might consider as being insensitive if you are sensitive about anyone saying anything about your belief.

And you are becoming so incensed as if this claim is only made by the Muslims. Well, sorry to disappoint you, but many Christians even know that there are soooooo many versions of the Bible. Rather than becoming inflamed at the Muslims, why not do your research? You will come across even Christians who admit the same thing that there is a lack of consistency, there are many, many versions.

yes, and even i know there are soooo many versions of Islam. rather than becoming inflamed by me, why not do your research?

And before you argue that there are sects among Muslims that have tampered with the Quran. Well, go back to the earliest copy of the Quran and compare it…it’s gonna be the same. I don’t know about Jews, but you will not find many Christians that have committed the Bible …word for word…to memory. There’s not a strong guarantee that if the Preacher were to misquote a verse from the bible, that many people from the audience will be able to correct him without looking at their copy of the Bibles. But the Quran…in it’s ORIGINAl form…has been committed to memory from the time it was sent down…and throughout history…by Muslims all over the Globe. If you have a hafiz in the US who makes an error in recitation…he will be corrected by a multitude of other Hafiz individuals from across the globe…not only corrected but verified.

why are you going in a completely different topic? I am not arguing here whether Quran is the truth or not, I have my reasons to believe that it’s not and I am not interested or even allowed to share it here. seems like you are trying to provoke me here and trying to get my views on Quran?

Intolerance is found in all religions, even in those who believe in no religion. But sadly I detect…not even detect but feel so much outrage…and anger in you toward Islam. Bella, I may have overlooked it…but I don’t recall coming across any post in which you’ve said anything positive about Islam. I’ve seen only criticism and accusations…Islam does this…Islam does that…Muslims do this…muslims do that. Are you like trying to avenge the other faiths by going all out with attacking Islam?

There are many positive things about Islam which I acknowledge but there has never been a discussion of sort on this forum. I like the concept of cleanliness, truthfulness, discouraging of backbiting, brotherhood, simplicity, helping the needy, rights of orphans, and many many more. NO religion is purely evil or purely perfect in my opinion. each has its positives and negatives. I am not saying or even think Islam is only negative and nothing positive. yes islam has many positive things too, and I also know that majority of muslims are not evil.