Soul:
One theory says that the word Hindu-kush most probably comes from the Indo-Kushan dynasty which ruled Pakistan and Afghanistan in the 2nd century BC. Another theory says that the Greeks gave the name Caucasus Indicus to the Hindu Kush mountains which later became Hindu-Kush. The word Hindu has nothing to do with the Hindu religion or its believer, but the Indus area and its people, what is now Pakistan.
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Are you trying to say that assyrian christians fought islamists...and than rushed fwd to embrace it...?? unpalateable.
Any scientists, any reputed man of letters embraced islam with open arms lately?? no, i am talking about criminals embrassing islam in the jails...
Besides, do you want the proof of how many moslems are leaving it each day??...
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It is odd that you have limited your view of the vast khilafah that spread from spain to Indonesia,,, to Assyrians...
Assyrians were a mistake,,, so what,,,,, the state is implemented by person who is liable to mistakes...
It is strange you have omitted the large section of the history when Christians of Jerusalem used to write asking for their crusaders to be removed. (crusaders were a bunch of theives who stole from their own christians)
Or the christians who returned jizya (after an amir decided to return them as they had decided to strategically withdraw) and fought with the muslim army...
or the christian scientists who came from europe to Baghdad and Cairo to learn medicine...
Ofcourse I wouldn't expect you to know all this, becuase you want to focus on digging dirt because you feel threatened of your old nationalistic values being eroded away by the growing call for khilafah..
as to your further points:
I know in Muslim countries and America jails tend to be good dawah points... as the society can not look after people's affairs when they are offered an alternative they take ....ofcourse you are so angry at this fact that you do not want to delve in the reasoning so i won't go on..
But for the scientists,, in Europe its a different issue. I take it you have never heard of Maurice Bucaille (the author of Quran and science) a convert scientist.. or many scientists who convert but do not wish to attach personality to islam as they feel unworthy.. have you not heard of Ibn-e-Sina whos medical books were used for 70 years in European universities as a text book (and even 1 year is like to long for a university course to stay the same)... or the non-muslim historian who lived happily in the khilafah such as ibn khuldun (of course i am mentioning the brightest in the world, that came into forefront of knowledge during dark ages, but then again we are talking of khilafah here and not islam,, that would be more ecompassing discussion),...
Not only that, but you chosen to disregard how Africa was the bread basket of the khilafah,, and now under democracy and capitalism it can not even be a bottomless pit for bread as most of the crops are burnt to keep prices high.
Some maybe even shocked to learn that suicide bombing is a relatively new thing and has nothing to do with khilafah and again its a totally different issue..
So is poverty, so is the curropt imaam...
But it is easy for some peoples' minds in here, to label em all up the same,, cos you know, they can't see beyond A B C,,,or just A B?
Shaiwaz,
The genocide beyond the Hindu Kush
Francois Gautier
‘In Persian, the word “Kush” is derived from the verb Kushtar – to slaughter or carnage, because all Hindus living there were slaughtered. Encyclopaedia Americana says of Hindu Kush: The name means literally “Kills the Hindu,” a reminder of the days when Hindu slaves from Indian subcontinent died in harsh Afghan mountains while being transported to Moslem courts of Central Asia. While Encyclopaedia Britannica mentions that the name Hindu Kush first appears in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah, the medieval Berber traveller, who said the name meant “Hindu Killer,” a meaning still given by Afghan mountain dwellers who are traditional enemies of Hindus.’
Encyclopaedia Britannica recalls that in December 1398 AD, Taimurlane ordered the execution of at least 50,000 captives before the battle for Delhi; likewise, the number of captives butchered by Taimurlane’s army was about 100,000 .
Encyclopaedia Britannica again mentions that Mughal emperor Akbar ‘ordered the massacre of about 30,000 captured Rajput Hindus on February 24, 1568 AD, after the battle for Chitod, a number confirmed by Abul Fazl, Akbar’s court historian.’ Afghan historian Khondamir records that during one of the many repeated invasions on the city of Herat in western Afghanistan, which used to be part of the Hindu Shahiya kingdoms ‘1,500,000 residents perished.’
Now since you have already twisted the meaning of ‘Hindu Kush’ and washed ya hands off the massacre. Will you also tell us some interesting fairy tale on -
WHY Somnath temple was destroyed 16 times by your GOD fearing tolerant sultan mohemmad Gazni??
Interesting!!! what was the religion of the ppl in indus valley?? And how come hinduism has nothing to do with the valley it got its name from??.. And wot were hindu universities and temples doing there?
^ Many of these figures of "massacres" are invented by the fundamentalists followers of this new Hinduvuta wave in India. Although some of this may be true, much has been invented soley for the purpose of drumming up hatred towards muslims in India (something they have obviously accomplished if Modi's re-election is to be used as evidence). This widespread state sposered persecution and hatred for a mintority is evidence in itself of the need for an Islamic empire. Under Islamic rule minorities were always treated with respect.
Khalifah will return to this earth again someday inshallah, it is only for Allah to decide when this is to happen. It is the only loical resolution to the problem that afflict the muslim world today.
Francois Gautier, a hindu?
Encyclopaedia Britannica, a hindu dictionary?
Ibn Battutah, another hindu?
Abul Fazl- Also a hindu?
Afghan historian Khondamir- probably works for Mody govt!!
Umar,
Any Brit would tell you how glorious and magnus British empire was!! And how they brought civilization to uncivilised world volunteerily.
But the matter of fact is we did'nt want their voluntary service, and neither did we want that from khalifah.
You dont have to force your self to serve us, unless you had ulteerer motives for doing so.
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or the christian scientists who came from europe to Baghdad and Cairo to learn medicine...
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so, baghdad and cairo were christian/animists lands...before they were invaded by your peaceloving islamist from arabian deserts...and obviously they had civilization worth sharing with other countries...
Were those scientists, arabs from arabia?? nope they were converts. So big deal...what was arab contribution, apart from stealing others inventions and thesis??
Besides Baghdad and cairo...did not need islam for their refinement...even without it they were more civilised? so, were is the role of islam in their civilization??
And how many moslem noble prize winners can you think of today...how come they have stopped their research abruptly??Any idea!!
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^ Many of these figures of "massacres" are invented by the fundamentalists followers of this new Hinduvuta wave in India. Although some of this may be true, much has been invented soley for the purpose of drumming up hatred towards muslims in India (something they have obviously accomplished if Modi's re-election is to be used as evidence). This widespread state sposered persecution and hatred for a mintority is evidence in itself of the need for an Islamic empire. Under Islamic rule minorities were always treated with respect.
Khalifah will return to this earth again someday inshallah, it is only for Allah to decide when this is to happen. It is the only loical resolution to the problem that afflict the muslim world today.
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these books are not written by indians
Alain Danielou in Histoire de la Inde: "From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoilations, destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of 'a holy war' of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilisations, wiped out entire races." And the well-known American historian Will Durant in The Story of Civilization: "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within." (From my perspecive as a secular humanist, and my own experience, I regard a typical liberal Indian Muslim to be as good a human being as any other Indian.)
Re: re
Can we bring forward the historical perspective to something you and me would have a good idea of, say, 50 years......that may also be more relevant
F. Gaurier is no exception, everone who writes such rubbish will be awarded by the RSS.
And your purpose of telling me this story is?
I am not sure about the correct figure. But what Akbar did after conquering Chitod had been a tradition of Mongol armies. They slaughtered the entire population when the conquered cities resisted. Anyway you chose a very bad example, I have never admired Akbar or Mughals because our own people fought many wars against the Mughlas.
What I told you about the Hindukush is the fact, I don’t twist facts to support my points.
All kings and kaisers of this world did the smae thing what Mahmood did, why are you accusing only him?
Most of Pakistanis and Afghans were budhist before they converted to Islam.
Taxila university was a big centre of learning. People from as far as Persia, Centeral Asia and India of all religions came here to study medicine, Philosophy, Sanskrit and many other subjects. I don’t know why are you calling it a “Hindu University”, my recommendation, don’t believe in everything what you read in the
www.hinduwhatever.com.
awarded by rss? who?
francis, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Ibn Battutah, Abul Fazl or Afghan historian Khondamir??
and what about the rvikz's post?? even that is rubbish...and who decides wots rubbish and wots not ?? you??....
Well in the same breath no killings took place in gujrat or kashmir...and all you read about it ......is plain RUBBISH!! happy!!
now iam relived from the burden of guilt i was carrying...ooufff
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I am not sure about the correct figure. But what Akbar did after conquering Chitod had been a tradition of Mongol armies. They slaughtered the entire population when the conquered cities resisted. Anyway you chose a very bad example, I have never admired Akbar or Mughals because our own people fought many wars against the Mughlas.
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who cares!!
but wot about your so called moslem brotherhood??
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What I told you about the Hindukush is the fact, I don't twist facts to support my points.
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why should i beleive it...its rubbish according to me...
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All kings and kaisers of this world did the smae thing what Mahmood did, why are you accusing only him?
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if they are as good or as bad as anyone else...wot are you all raving about tolerance and peaceloving aspects of moslem kings and khallifaah and blah blah blah...they were blood thirsty barbarrians who invaded lands for plundering it... right??
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Most of Pakistanis and Afghans were budhist before they converted to Islam.
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and before they embraced buddhism??
And why did they convert to islam...or were they forced to...
why i dont see buddhists converting to islam any longer...
and heres something about taxila university-
University (The world’s first university)
Takshashila (Taxila)
**Around 2700 years ago, as early as 700 BCE there existed a giant University at Takshashila, located in the northwest region of India.
Not only Indians but also students from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Syria, Arabia and China came to study.**
68 different streams of knowledge were on the syllabus.
Experienced masters taught a wide range of subjects.
Vedas, Language, Grammar, Philosophy, Medicine, Surgery, Archery, Politics, Warfare, Astronomy, Accounts, commerce, Futurology, Documentation, Occult, Music, Dance, The art of discovering hidden treasures, etc.
The minimum entrance age was 16 and there were 10,500 students.
The panel of Masters included renowned names like Kautilya, Panini, Jivak and Vishnu Sharma.
Taxila University
Takshashila, (later corrupted as Taxila),one of the topmost centers of education at that time in India became Chanakya’s breeding ground of acquiring knowledge in the practical and theoretical aspect. ** The teachers were highly knowledgeable who used to teach sons of kings. It is said that a certain teacher had 101 students and all of them were princes! The university at Taxila was well versed in teaching the subjects using the best of practical knowledge acquired by the teachers. The age of entering the university was sixteen. The branches of studies most sought after in around India ranged from law, medicine, warfare and other indigenous forms of learning. **The four Vedas, archery, hunting, elephant-lore and 18 arts were taught at the university of Taxila. So prominent was the place where Chanakya received his education that it goes to show the making of the genius. The very requirements of admission filtered out the outlawed and people with lesser credentials.
At a time when the Dark Ages were looming large, the existence of a university of Taxila’s grandeur really makes India stand apart way ahead of the European countries who struggled with ignorance and total information blackout. For the Indian subcontinent Taxila stood as a light house of higher knowledge and pride of India. In the present day world, Taxila is situated in Pakistan at a place called Rawalpindi. The university accommodated more than 10,000 students at a time. The university offered courses spanning a period of more than eight years. The students were admitted after graduating from their own countries. Aspiring students opted for elective subjects going for in depth studies in specialized branches of learning. After graduating from the university, the students are recognized as the best scholars in the subcontinent. It became a cultural heritage as time passed. Taxila was the junction where people of different origins mingled with each other and exchanged knowledge of their countries.
The university was famous as "Taxila" university, named after the city where it was situated. The king and rich people of the region used to donate lavishly for the development of the university. In the religious scriptures also, Taxila is mentioned as the place where the king of snakes, Vasuki selected Taxila for the dissemination of knowledge on earth.
** Here it would be essential to mention briefly the range of subjects taught in the university of Taxila. (1) Science, (2) Philosophy, (3) Ayurveda,(4) Grammar of various languages, (5) Mathematics, (6) Economics, (7)Astrology, (8) Geography, (9) Astronomy, (10) Surgical science,(11) Agricultural sciences, (12) Archery and Ancient and Modern Sciences.**
So taxila university existed before buddhism, and had subjects like vedas, science etc... any idea, how a buddist university existed before buddhism...only pak history text books can invent something like this!!...
and shaiwaz the wise one beleives it....btw he also thinks buddhism was practiced during indus valley civilization....much before the birth of buddha....because he gets keyboard diahorria pronouncing hinduism.
what was practised in, what is now pakistan, before buddhism and islam??
[needless to say, buddhism is heavily lifted from its parent religion Hinduism. Only thing missing is the caste system....its like hinduism without castesystem...and so is jainism....]
^ relax, take a deep breath, drink a glass of water and re-read my post then reply it in a non-confrontational manner.
i read it sweets...
it isnt worth a second reading...
bye-o
Francois Gautier gets medal from Hindutvas.
Press Trust of India
April 19, 2003
NEW DELHI: Pratap Singh Jadhav, Editor of Marathi daily Pudhari, columnist
and India-based French journalist Francois Gautier and Deepak Chaurasia,
Political Editor of 'Aajtak' TV channel, are among the recipients of this
year's Nachiketa awards instituted by RSS [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]
publication Panchjanya, announced here on Saturday.
The awardees were selected for their 'nationalist journalism' at a meeting
of the Panchjanya Nachiketa Pratishthan presided over by the weekly's first
Editor and Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee on April 15, a release from
the organisation said.
Jadhav has been selected for the highest Panchjanya Nachiketa award
comprising Rs 1.5 lakh for his nationalist writings, it said, adding that
the Kolhapur-based paper had set up a Rs three core hospital for the
treatment of soldiers deployed on Siachen, after raising funds from its
readers.
The meeting also selected Gautier for the B C Pal award, former Navbharat
Times Editor N K Trikha for the Deendayal Upadhyaya award and former Tarun
Bharat Editor Lakshman Trayambak Joshi for the Hanuman Prasad Poddar award,
all of which carry Rs 51,000, a citation and an Uttareeya.
Among the young talents, Chaurasia, Shankar Sharan (Star News), Ravindra
Aggarwal (Dainik Jagran), Saurabh Shah (columnist with Gujarat Samachar) and
Jagbandhu Mishra (Orissa weekly Rashtradeep) have been chosen for Nachiketa
awards which comprise Rs 25,000 each, a citation and an 'Uttareeya'.
The awards would be presented by Vajpayee here on May 10 at a ceremony to be
attended among others by Deputy Prime Minister L K Advani and top RSS brass,
it said.
^ Shawaiz, Did Gautoir get a gold medal because the RSS liked what he said or did he say what he did because he so badly wanted a gold medal from the RSS?
Or did he say what he did because he believed it to be true?
You cannot discount historians who speak FOR India or hindus, just as you cannot discount historians who speak FOR Islam and Pakistan. If there is any credible and neutral source (read: angrez) you can dig out do post his/her findings here. YOu can even award them platinum medals, that won't change anything.
It's immaterial whether Taxila University was Hindu or Budhist. It belonged to hindus and budhists both. You should be proud of once having the most important seat of learning of it's time.
shawaiz may pakistan did not suffer since they converted quickly
but resistance brought lot of cruelty to indians.also we have geoghraphical advantage since pakistan is closer to invasion route.
Read his articles and then tell me whether these articles show him as a neutral French journalist/historian or the mouthpiece for RSS propaganda.
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Articles by Francois Gautier
The university is normally called the Taxila university named after the city where it was situated. What the hell is Budhist-hindu university? Tell me, do universities have religion in your country?
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shawaiz may pakistan did not suffer since they converted quickly
but resistance brought lot of cruelty to indians.also we have geoghraphical advantage since pakistan is closer to invasion route.
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Don't tell me you are one of those nuts who believe that Pakistanis had converted to Islam in order to save their skin against the invaders. Pakistanis had resisted more than they actually could. But I don't want to blame you here for your ignorance because my own people are unaware of their true history.
Unless this thread returns, immediately, towards a more productive discussion, you will force me to close it. Just remember the basic rules and etiquettes when participating in this thread, and there shouldn't be a problem.
Anyone have a problem with what is stated above, drop me a pm.
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awarded by rss? who?
francis, Encyclopaedia Britannica, Ibn Battutah, Abul Fazl or Afghan historian Khondamir??
and what about the rvikz's post?? even that is rubbish...and who decides wots rubbish and wots not ?? you??....
Well in the same breath no killings took place in gujrat or kashmir...and all you read about it ......is plain RUBBISH!! happy!!
now iam relived from the burden of guilt i was carrying...ooufff
who cares!!
but wot about your so called moslem brotherhood??
why should i beleive it...its rubbish according to me...
if they are as good or as bad as anyone else...wot are you all raving about tolerance and peaceloving aspects of moslem kings and khallifaah and blah blah blah...they were blood thirsty barbarrians who invaded lands for plundering it... right??
and before they embraced buddhism??
And why did they convert to islam...or were they forced to...
why i dont see buddhists converting to islam any longer...
and heres something about taxila university-
University (The world’s first university)
Takshashila (Taxila)
**Around 2700 years ago, as early as 700 BCE there existed a giant University at Takshashila, located in the northwest region of India.
Not only Indians but also students from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Syria, Arabia and China came to study.**
68 different streams of knowledge were on the syllabus.
Experienced masters taught a wide range of subjects.
Vedas, Language, Grammar, Philosophy, Medicine, Surgery, Archery, Politics, Warfare, Astronomy, Accounts, commerce, Futurology, Documentation, Occult, Music, Dance, The art of discovering hidden treasures, etc.
The minimum entrance age was 16 and there were 10,500 students.
The panel of Masters included renowned names like Kautilya, Panini, Jivak and Vishnu Sharma.
Taxila University
Takshashila, (later corrupted as Taxila),one of the topmost centers of education at that time in India became Chanakya’s breeding ground of acquiring knowledge in the practical and theoretical aspect. ** The teachers were highly knowledgeable who used to teach sons of kings. It is said that a certain teacher had 101 students and all of them were princes! The university at Taxila was well versed in teaching the subjects using the best of practical knowledge acquired by the teachers. The age of entering the university was sixteen. The branches of studies most sought after in around India ranged from law, medicine, warfare and other indigenous forms of learning. **The four Vedas, archery, hunting, elephant-lore and 18 arts were taught at the university of Taxila. So prominent was the place where Chanakya received his education that it goes to show the making of the genius. The very requirements of admission filtered out the outlawed and people with lesser credentials.
At a time when the Dark Ages were looming large, the existence of a university of Taxila’s grandeur really makes India stand apart way ahead of the European countries who struggled with ignorance and total information blackout. For the Indian subcontinent Taxila stood as a light house of higher knowledge and pride of India. In the present day world, Taxila is situated in Pakistan at a place called Rawalpindi. The university accommodated more than 10,000 students at a time. The university offered courses spanning a period of more than eight years. The students were admitted after graduating from their own countries. Aspiring students opted for elective subjects going for in depth studies in specialized branches of learning. After graduating from the university, the students are recognized as the best scholars in the subcontinent. It became a cultural heritage as time passed. Taxila was the junction where people of different origins mingled with each other and exchanged knowledge of their countries.
The university was famous as "Taxila" university, named after the city where it was situated. The king and rich people of the region used to donate lavishly for the development of the university. In the religious scriptures also, Taxila is mentioned as the place where the king of snakes, Vasuki selected Taxila for the dissemination of knowledge on earth.
** Here it would be essential to mention briefly the range of subjects taught in the university of Taxila. (1) Science, (2) Philosophy, (3) Ayurveda,(4) Grammar of various languages, (5) Mathematics, (6) Economics, (7)Astrology, (8) Geography, (9) Astronomy, (10) Surgical science,(11) Agricultural sciences, (12) Archery and Ancient and Modern Sciences.**
So taxila university existed before buddhism, and had subjects like vedas, science etc... any idea, how a buddist university existed before buddhism...only pak history text books can invent something like this!!...
and shaiwaz the wise one beleives it....btw he also thinks buddhism was practiced during indus valley civilization....much before the birth of buddha....because he gets keyboard diahorria pronouncing hinduism.
what was practised in, what is now pakistan, before buddhism and islam??
[needless to say, buddhism is heavily lifted from its parent religion Hinduism. Only thing missing is the caste system....its like hinduism without castesystem...and so is jainism....]
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This is one of the best posts I have come across in GS. Well done Soul.
Before anymore of you start talking about empire of islam, read this thread, particularly the yeoman work by soul. If that doesn't open your eyes nothing will
Glee!! thancs!!