The myth of Talibanistan

THE ROVING EYE
The myth of Talibanistan
By Pepe Escobar

Apocalypse Now. Run for cover. The turbans are coming. This is the state of Pakistan today, according to the current hysteria disseminated by the Barack Obama administration and United States corporate media - from Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to The New York Times. Even British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has said on the record that Pakistani Talibanistan is a threat to the security of Britain.

But unlike St Petersburg in 1917 or Tehran in late 1978, Islamabad won’t fall tomorrow to a turban revolution.

Pakistan is not an ungovernable Somalia. The numbers tell the story. At least 55% of Pakistan’s 170 million-strong population are Punjabis. There’s no evidence they are about to embrace

Talibanistan; they are essentially Shi’ites, Sufis or a mix of both. Around 50 million are Sindhis - faithful followers of the late Benazir Bhutto and her husband, now President Asif Ali Zardari’s centrist and overwhelmingly secular Pakistan People’s Party. Talibanistan fanatics in these two provinces - amounting to 85% of Pakistan’s population, with a heavy concentration of the urban middle class - are an infinitesimal minority.

The Pakistan-based Taliban - subdivided in roughly three major groups, amounting to less than 10,000 fighters with no air force, no Predator drones, no tanks and no heavily weaponized vehicles - are concentrated in the Pashtun tribal areas, in some districts of North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), and some very localized, small parts of Punjab.

To believe this rag-tag band could rout the well-equipped, very professional 550,000-strong Pakistani army, the sixth-largest military in the world, which has already met the Indian colossus in battle, is a ludicrous proposition.

Moreover, there’s no evidence the Taliban, in Afghanistan or in Pakistan, have any capability to hit a target outside of “Af-Pak”(Afghanistan and Pakistan). That’s mythical al-Qaeda’s privileged territory. As for the nuclear hysteria of the Taliban being able to crack the Pakistani army codes for the country’s nuclear arsenal (most of the Taliban, by the way, are semi-literate), even Obama, at his 100-day news conference, stressed the nuclear arsenal was safe.

Of course, there’s a smatter of junior Pashtun army officers who sympathize with the Taliban - as well as significant sections of the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency. But the military institution itself is backed by none other than the American army - with which it has been closely intertwined since the 1970s. Zardari would be a fool to unleash a mass killing of Pakistani Pashtuns; on the contrary, Pashtuns can be very useful for Islamabad’s own designs.

Zardari’s government this week had to send in troops and the air force to deal with the Buner problem, in the Malakand district of NWFP, which shares a border with Kunar province in Afghanistan and thus is relatively close to US and North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) troops. They are fighting less than 500 members of the Tehrik-e Taliban-e Pakistan (TTP). But for the Pakistani army, the possibility of the area joining Talibanistan is a great asset - because this skyrockets Pakistani control of Pashtun southern Afghanistan, ever in accordance to the eternal “strategic depth” doctrine prevailing in Islamabad.

Bring me the head of Baitullah Mehsud
So if Islamabad is not burning tomorrow, why the hysteria? There are several reasons. To start with, what Washington - now under Obama’s “Af-Pak” strategy - simply cannot stomach is real democracy and a true civilian government in Islamabad; these would be much more than a threat to “US interests” than the Taliban, whom the Bill Clinton administration was happily wining and dining in the late 1990s.

What Washington may certainly relish is yet another military coup - and sources tell Asia Times Online that former dictator General Pervez Musharraf (Busharraf as he was derisively referred to) is active behind the hysteria scene.

It’s crucial to remember that every military coup in Pakistan has been conducted by the army chief of staff. So the man of the hour - and the next few hours, days and months - is discreet General Ashfaq Kiani, Benazir’s former army secretary. He is very cozy with US military chief Admiral Mike Mullen, and definitely not a Taliban-hugger.

Moreover, there are canyons of the Pakistani military/security bureaucracy who would love nothing better than to extract even more US dollars from Washington to fight the Pashtun neo-Taliban that they are simultaneously arming to fight the Americans and NATO. It works. Washington is now under a counter-insurgency craze, with the Pentagon eager to teach such tactics to every Pakistani officer in sight.

What is never mentioned by US corporate media is the tremendous social problems Pakistan has to deal with because of the mess in the tribal areas. Islamabad believes that between the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and NWFP, at least 1 million people are now displaced (not to mention badly in need of food aid). FATA’s population is around 3.5 million - overwhelmingly poor Pashtun peasants. And obviously war in FATA translates into insecurity and paranoia in the fabled capital of NWFP, Peshawar.

The myth of Talibanistan anyway is just a diversion, a cog in the slow-moving regional big wheel - which in itself is part of the new great game in Eurasia.

During a first stage - let’s call it the b*****ng of evil - Washington think-tanks and corporate media hammered non-stop on the “threat of al-Qaeda” to Pakistan and the US. FATA was branded as terrorist central - the most dangerous place in the world where “the terrorists” and an army of suicide bombers were trained and unleashed into Afghanistan to kill the “liberators” of US/NATO.

In the second stage, the new Obama administration accelerated the Predator “hell from above” drone war over Pashtun peasants. Now comes the stage where the soon over 100,000-strong US/NATO troops are depicted as the true liberators of the poor in Af-Pak (and not the “evil” Taliban) - an essential ploy in the new narrative to legitimize Obama’s Af-Pak surge.

For all pieces to fall into place, a new uber-bogeyman is needed. And he is TTP leader Baitullah Mehsud, who, curiously, had never been hit by even a fake US drone until, in early March, he made official his allegiance to historic Taliban leader Mullah Omar, “The Shadow” himself, who is said to live undisturbed somewhere around Quetta, in Pakistani Balochistan.

Now there’s a US$5 million price on Baitullah’s head. The Predators have duly hit the Mehsud family’s South Waziristan bases. But - curioser and curioser - not once but twice, the ISI forwarded a detailed dossier of Baitullah’s location directly to its cousin, the Central Intelligence Agency. But there was no drone hit.

And maybe there won’t be - especially now that a bewildered Zardari government is starting to consider that the previous uber-bogeyman, a certain Osama bin Laden, is no more than a ghost. Drones can incinerate any single Pashtun wedding in sight. But international bogeymen of mystery - Osama, Baitullah, Mullah Omar - star players in the new OCO (overseas contingency operations), formerly GWOT (“global war on terror”), of course deserve star treatment.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His new book, just out, is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

He may be reached at [email protected].

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a good read for all who assume Pakistan is going down soon!

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Ok conspiracy theorist - what does the USA get out of having "boogeymen" terrorize Pushtun peasants in an area of the world of no consequence to the average American?

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they always require a boogeyman to complete their designs, they need these to justify their presence in the area and massive US spending on war! they need to have the enviroment of fear in the world and US to keep up these illegal operations only for strategic, corporate businesses reasons.

Saddam has WMD!!!!!
Osama in Afghanistan -- another 9/11
Taliban.... taking control of Pakistan nukes

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i already posted this... please merge...

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Still doesn't answer my question - what do we want once we get in (we as in we Americans)? We got into Iraq, and I don't see how that has helped Americans - we are now essentially bankrupt, allegations of torture on our head, our international stature in ruins, and our men and women are dying needlessly in Iraq. You're going to say oil, but frankly, dunno where you live, but oil here under Bush was ridiculous. As soon as Obama came into office, oil prices plunged. I don't see Iraq as really being anywhere factored into our oil problems or solutions.

Regardless, what do we have to gain out of Af-Pak? Some say we're in a game to divide the territory and re-draw borders. WHAT will that do???!?!?? Dunno about where you come from, but the average Joe here doesn't even know the capitol of Idaho, so what do we get out of re-drawing borders of countries whose names can't even be pronounced straight here?

Have you even put any thought into asking the question why America wants to be in control of a nuclear armed nation? Capable of launching nukes to india and israel, simultaneously?

Why have over 60 bases all over the world? What do you get out of that? Why be imperialistic, except by name?

Please ponder, reflect, and enlighten yourself.

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Um, if that were the case, we would just do to Pakistan what we're doing with Iran and Korea. Alienating them, doing bad PR against them, making them look like boogy men, and aligning them in the axis of evil.

Please face the facts. There is an extremist movement in the region - a bunch of crazies think they can put up a khalifah they've been dreaming of...THEY are the ones who stand the most by gaining the nukes.

Exactly what you are suspicious of America - that we just want to take over some nuke nation - you're so blind that you can't even see that possibly a group of muslim crazies may want the same thing!

riiiiight alienate them. North Korea forces US to talk to it, and more recently defied the calls of Japan and U.S. and went ahead to testfire the missile; Iran continued/continues its program and made Obama seek a dialogue. i take it “we” didn’t succeed at alienating the “axis of evil”. :hehe:

ps: nukes are safe, they’re not a kalashenkov that you just pick up load and fire. there is a system in place that’s at-par if not better than that of U.S. when it comes to nukes being secure. :slight_smile:

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Taking over of a nuclear facility is a ludicrous fear, unless the Taliban have the personnel capable of commandeering the nuclear system which is by no means a trivial task. There is no big red button to take...there is an entire infrastructure to take control of, that requires specialized personnel.

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What if they conduct an attack on base known to contain nuke parts? Or find out from their inside moles when transport of nuclear materials is taking place and ambush it?

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the nuke sites are underground i believe and the sites were designed with all possible scenarios in mind. because the threat was present when the tests were done as well that israelis might come bomb it, so the infrastructure is safe as it gets.

as for transportation of nuclear material.......i don't think that information would leak out because just anyone can't walk in or walk out, there is a security apparatus in place and everyone has to have high level security clearance to even have tour of the facility, the actual "stuff" may still be off-limits. it's basically classified i think....

there is difference Pakistan is already declared nuclear nation, that different approach than Korea and Iran who have ambitions to get nuclear. in recent history you will see the US tactics of war.

they went into Iraq after making sure they dont have single WMD for possible backlash from Iraq. with no fly zone, UN Inspections, sanctions 10 year they made sure you its clean of WMD and then went in safely.

for Pakistan they cant adopt the same techinique, they cant even impose UN sanctions as Pakistan didnt sign CTBT, hence didnt break any nuke law. plus puttin sanction on a nuclear armed nation is not going to work. direct all out war will also not work.
Pakistan played well with them during building nukes and US couldnt stop it by one or the other reasons.

US want to re use it Mujahideen plan against soviets, now against Pakistan but missing all dimention in the process. Though the paid fanatics at the top has done much damaged to Pakistn, but its not winnable for US. Pak nukes only required by US cause its possible use against Israel! they want to even remove far far possiblity against Israel. India is into this game for own purpose and its advantages in regards to China and Pakistan.

anyway its un winnable war against Pakistan by US and its proxies, sure it had created problems for Pakistan, not to the point that it will be easy ride for US or India.

simple logic, if ill quiped afghanistan can fight the US for years and US not getting anywhere near to any results, they really think they can win and take over Pak nukes with such tactics?

and dont be shallow in your thinking what US wants... out of it!

why US is in Iraq, Afghanistan(a war torn country with high poverty)

simple answer all middle east, they want strategic control over the whole region for own policy of imperialism

One question, did you even bother to read that article? lol

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At least 55% of Pakistan's 170 million-strong population are Punjabis. There's no evidence they are about to embrace Talibanistan; they are essentially Shi'ites, Sufis or a mix of both. Around 50 million are Sindhis - faithful followers of the late Benazir Bhutto and her husband, now President Asif Ali Zardari's centrist and overwhelmingly secular Pakistan People's Party. Talibanistan fanatics in these two provinces - amounting to 85% of Pakistan's population, with a heavy concentration of the urban middle class - are an infinitesimal minority.
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This paragraph alone is enough to tell us that his article is started with a bogus premise.

And what part of that paragraph is bogus??

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I think the issue I see that kehkeshan is trying to point out is how the demographics are described. The author has put a coat of 'sufi' and made a point that majroty of population in Punjab are sufi or shia. Thereby trying to say that Taleban will not find support among shias or among the sufi leaning muslims. While majority of ppl in Punjab may not be ideologically close to the wahabi inspired school of thought of taleban, there are enough that it can be an issue, if you recall the shia sunni violence 80s onwards, a big chunk of that was in Punjab, so there are idiots who could become Talebans brothers in arms. Not to say that this is a unique situation in Punjab, in Sindh there was enough shia sunni violence to draw the same conclusion.

the fact that these type of people are in a minority can not be denied, but it has to be noted that there are enough ppl, even if a fraction of the population, that they can create issues.

Not significant ones like we see in NWFP, but enough to keep the law enforcement busy.

Oh yeah, Punjabis are evil! This comes after the pakhtuns, baluchis have already been labeled extremists.

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if you recall the shia sunni violence 80s onwards, a big chunk of that was in Punjab, so there are idiots who could become Talebans brothers in arms. .
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Unless you are implying there are ALOT of such idiots, which is equivalent to saying most people there are like that, I see no such talibaboo threats there.

Seriously, the above was nothing but ethnic mudslinging.

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spock, i dont make it a habit to call any ethnicity evil. and there was no mudslinging there at all.

I was simply making a point that in Punjab and I did say in sindh as well there are sadly enough idiots that the shia sunni clashes were a sad and bloody reality. lashkar e jhangvi, sipah e sahaba, sipah e muhammad tahrike jafria, all those groups brought havoc if you remember in their bombings, drve bys etc.

and I am not implying most, I said they are in a minority, but even a small fraction can cause issues. please reread my post especially the last paragraph again. what is a lot? was the shia-sunni killings carnage enough that we can say there is enough of a group that can cause issues.

The deobandi mdrassah population of pakistan is completely discounted, not to mention the jihadi groups operating all over pakistan. Some of us want to continue living in a fools paradise and keep changing the goal post. Today they are very excited that "oh look, the talibs have not taken over islamabad and are on the other side of margalla hills" - as if this is some big achievement to be proud of.

Brillianty said.