Linking a resolution does not answer my question. My question is where is Article 4 negated? Simple question. If it is not negated, then that is the final format for withdrawal.
If this resolution of 1952 was the last one, then for sure we would have all gone and said that this one holds. Bu then there were more resolution after this one and the very next one clearly mentions all the resolutions of UNSC and UNCIP resolutions which are relevant for the resolution.
Infact if you read the latter resolutions, they all mention the implementation UNCIP resolutions and even the Kashmiris want that !!!!!
But then that is precisely your problem .... UNCIP negates all the BS you want to talk about and you know that.
You are keeping quite on the AJK constitution ..... and you know you have no answer to that.
You know you can just walk away ..... this is not about last man standing. The facts are there for all to see and your position has been exposed :D
Then show me where article 4 is negated. Your opinion means jack**** when it comes to reality. Show me where it is negated.
Simple question. 3 pages. Show me where it is negated.
The answer was given on page 1 ..... but then you have nothing else to say so you are repeating the same question again and again and avoiding a reply to the AJK constitution :D ..... google and wikipedia is not going to help you on this one !!!!
Oh yeah? They quote it. Post it for me. Show me where it is on page one!
You don't have to google it .... just read all the posts .... when you raised the question of section 4, i replied to it in the next post !!!!!!!
In any case ... let us try to see where we are on this ....
India and Pakistan have to settle Kahsmir issue through mutual talks, that is what the world is asking them and that is what even UN says now. For all those people who want this issue to be setteled through UN, the answer is the implementation of UNCIP resolutions (which both India and Pakistan have signed and agreed to ) which clearly states demilitirzation as the first step towards plebiscite.
You said you answered the question on page 1. Show me where it is.
Let us stay forcussed on what is being said ... rather then what was said in page 1 or page 3 ..... i know you want to get out of the discussion ...
So let us try again .... as i said before UNCIP resolutions are to be fully implemented for a plebiscite to take place .. and you know what that means :D
You still haven’t replied to AJK constitution … UNCIP stands…
Here is something more … you claim that UNCIP resolutions are not binding … though you haven’t provided any proof of this … but i will … from Pakistan offical UN mission … honestly what did you do in UN … part of PX
The resolutions endorsed a binding agreement between India and Pakistan reached through the mediation of UNCIP, that a plebiscite would be held, under agreed and specified conditions.
Show me where Article 4 is negated. By all means you answer my question and I will answer yours.
If you can not prove it is negated, then it stands. End of discussion.
I repeat again .... the next resolution of 1957 clearly states ....
Reminding the Governments and authorities concerned of the principle embodied in its resolutions 47 (1948) of 21 April 1948, 51 (1948) of 3 June, 1948, 80 (1950) of 14 March 1950 and 91 (1951) of 30 March 1951, and the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan resolutions of 13 August 1948 and 5 January 1949, that the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations
So what is the UNSC resolution saying .... the resolution 47, 51, 80 & 91 in addition UNCIP resolutions are the basis on which the issue is going to be solved. There is no mention of your resolution 98 !!!!!
In any case section 4 does not negate UNCIP, infact it does not even mention UNCIP ....
As i said ... UN says it, India says it, Pakistan says it, even the AJK constitution says it ..... but you still claim UNCIP resolutions are not the basis of plebiscite :D
That is a preamble you quoted. It is historical nature. Not an operative paragraph.
Now Article 4 is an operative Paragraph.
Aam Banda You seem confused. I am stating that UNCIP is infact the basis for Plebicite. What I am stating is that the formula for withdrawal was superseded by Article 4 by UNSC 98. And you have yet to prove it has been negated by any resolution after it.
To negate a paragraph from a UNSC resolution very specific steps have to be taken in the next resolutions which were not taken in 1957 resolution. That is why I know for a fact that Article 4 stands.
That is also why you have not been able to disprove Article 4’s validity for the past 4 pages :hehe:
Aam Banda You seem confused. I am stating that UNCIP is infact the basis for Plebicite. What I am stating is that the formula for withdrawal was superseded by Article 4 by UNSC 98. And you have yet to prove it has been negated by any resolution after it.
UNCIP non-binding. Irrelevant. In the UNSC resolutions, where does it say we have to do so first?
That surely seems to be step in right direction ... Now you dont consider UNCIP irrelevant ... :D
Now you consider UNSC 98 to supersesd UNCIP resoltuion ... but you refuse to belive that UNSC 122 does not supersed this ...... you dont get to pick and choose ... the resolutions are applied as they come :D
Formula for Kashmir solution is by UNCIP resolutions (which has demilitirization as the starting point).... i dont say it ... UNSC resolutions say it .... Pakistanis themselves say it .... even the AJK constitution says it .... but then you are not listening .. you are stuck in a hole that you dug yourself.
UNCIP resolution are NOT irrelevant and as Pakistanis themselves say ... and as they say they are binding too ... :D
UNSC resolution 98 does not talk about how the troop withdrawl starts … for that UNCIP is still relevant. All subsequent resolutions have stated that UNCIP resolutions are the basis
So do you agree with the one line of pakUN or not … is UNCIP binding or not
Check the Permanent Mission’s Website for the full text snookums Copying one line from google doesn’t mean much. That is why you didn’t even post a link Because you know you would get caught.
Does this article 4 say how this demilitirization will begin ?
Check the post again … what was relvant to discussion was posted … you said UNCIP is not binding … showed you what your own UN mission has to say.. … so what is your position on UNCIP resolutions, … are they relevant or irelevant … are they binding or not binding
What I see above is, no different than what our leaders do - keep bickering on about Kashmir, resolutions, what UN says or does not say.
The end result is - nothing!! Over 60 years of bickering, 3 wars and we are stuck in the past.
The world does not care - for them the more we fight the better it is for them, more weapons sold, more control on our nation. Pakistan & India remain weak and dependent on them.
Read the Article snookums. Seems you haven't even done that. Oh yes when you do, tell me where it is no longe valid.
1 Article - 10 minute google search
4 Pages - Over four days
Simpleton unable to answer the question - Priceless :D
As mush as you post .... the bottom line is it come to troops withdrawl ... even your section 4 talks about troop withdrawl before a plebiscite takes place .... read it again
You have spent 6 months on this ... but have finally agreed that UNCIP resolutions are relevant ... that is a good start :D
