The GS peace prize - anyone??

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No mention of UNCIP being non-binding here :hoonh:

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Matsui my job is not educate you on simple stuff regarding the UN. Do a google search.

And Simpleton. Please show me where the last UN resolution negates article 4 of the resolution I have linked.

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Sure you want reference for everything but if someone asks something then he needs to "google" :D

Coming back to your statement

Please re-read the UNSC resolution 98 article 4 ... it does not have any reference to UNCIP ... so you know what that means.

Sure if you look at the next UN resolution of 1957 .... it clearly states what resolutions are to be the principle for resolution .... no mention of this resolution 98 of 1952 :D

**Reminding the Governments and authorities concerned of the principle* embodied in its resolutions 47(1948) of 21 April, 1948, 51(1948) of 3 June, 1948, 80 (1950) of 14 March, 1950 and 91(1951)of 30 March, 1951, and the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan resolutions of 13 August, 1948, and 5 January, 1949, that the final disposition of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will be made in accordance with the will of the people expressed through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite conducted under the auspices of the United Nations*

Once again UN stressing the UNCIP resolutions ........

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As expected, when you dont have an answer you resort to making excuses :) When you make a point, better have the [EMAIL="b@lls"]b@lls to prove it...

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Punjabee, Aam - don't waste your time arguing with guys like CM. they have nothing to say, they just keep parroting whatever they are brainwashed with.

You show them proof that their argument makes no sense and they will grin sheepishly and resort to some other idiotic notion they have been fed.

On the other hand if you like playing with such people have fun, it is probably a good pass time and who knows, by sheer weight and volume they may actually pick up some sense

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Your questions are very simple but don't expect a straight answer or as a mater of fact don't expect one at all except as usual BS and beat around the bush. goooood luck...

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Simpleton show me a clause that says that Article 4 is negated. Simple question prove it.

United Nations Security Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Read. Learn how the ICJ stated that:

So UNSC resolutions are to be enforced. Not the UNCIP which is not a UNSC resolution.

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If you had only you were familiar with how the security council works. If the Resolution 98 was what you claim, then why more resoltutions were passed???
Here is teh link to one after 98, UNSC 122 … it clears mentions what principles are going to be used for resolution of Kashmir issue … and they specifically mention the UNCIP resolutiion … but then you are caught in your own web, what can you do …

Kashmir, UN Security Council Resolution 122

Some one earlier mentioned that you had been working for Pakistani mission in UN … so i guess you would have come across this … this is a speech by Pakistani foreign minister … he explains what happens in Chapter 6 and what happens in Chapter 7 … you will learn something. He also mentions UNCIP … time to look at “real” information and not mickey mouse stuff from Wikipedia :smiley:
Pakun.org > Statements > Security Council > 2003

*10. In this debate, we have heard many different suggestions on how the Security Council can more efficiently utilize and support such Chapter VI instrumentalities for peace. These include: calling on parties to negotiate agreements for dispute settlement; authorizing the Secretary-General to increasingly utilize all the modalities at his disposal for the peaceful resolution of disputes; the appointment of Commissions of Inquiry and Conciliation; and more frequent requests to the International Court of Justice for Advisory Opinions. *
*11. The Security Council could also utilize its **mandatory enforcement authority – under Chapter-VII *– to persuade parties to disputes to engage in the processes for the peaceful settlement of disputes envisaged under Chapter-VI of the UN Chapter. The Council could, moreover, through a decision adopted under Chapter-VII, refer a dispute to the ICJ whose determination would thereafter be binding on the parties, irrespective of whether or not they have accepted the jurisdiction of the ICJ

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Show me where it is negated. If you can not then it stands.

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When a resolution says which previous resolutions are to be the principle, what does it mean .... the ones not mentioned are not relevant .....

Again i will come back to you .... why are you not giving the right to the Kashmriis ... they are asking for solution of Kashmir problem through UNCIP resolution as mentioned in their constitution ... no word on that :D

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Show me where Article 4 is negated.

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You don't want to see what can i do ....

You haven't answered about the Kashmiris right for having the solution under UNCIP as is mentioned in their constitution ..... or you just don't want to respond. Time for you to run ... again.

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Then prove it. Show me where Article 4 is negated. Again simple question. 2 pages. No answer from you.

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The answer is the same which was two pages back .... in the next UN resolution .... but then your problem is your whole argument is based on nulifying the UNCIP as that goes against what you are saying.

I would remind you again .... this whole issue is about the Kashmiris .... and they themselves are asking for UNCIP resolutions to be implemented and that you are trying to avoid to answer.

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No show me the text. You have yet to show any text that says Article 4 is not valid. I have UNSC resolutions quoted. Linked. Sourced. You have yet to show anything save for your babbling.

Maybe in another 4 months you will accept you are wrong :D

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As usual, this topic also fails to get people thinking out of the 'square'.
The truth is the world does not care, we have to find the solution ourselves

Think of solutions guys ( & girls), our future generations depend on that..

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dude, good attempt, as you may have seen a number of people..from both countries are really more interested in flaming each other and sensible discussion with people behaving in such an imbecile manner is really not possible.

When educated people of both nations can not have a decent dialogue, how can we expect anyone else to do that.

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A square that defines the nature of the relationship. The difference my dear Indian is that my points are supported by the text, history and the international community.

The Simpleton here can't read freaking english. Article 4 stands as the last agreement on withdrawal of troops. Meaning Pakistan does not have to with draw first. India must withdraw at the same time. And we are both allowed to keep a minimum amount of boots on the ground.

That is what the UNSC decided. No changes to that have yet to be proven.

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Even though i posted the next resolution which clearly states which resolutions are going to be the principles for solving the problem … you still want to believe something else … that is fine by me.

But then you swear by the Kashmiris … you say they are the ones who have to decide ultimately, yet you refuse to acknowledge that they want the solution to be found under the UNCIP resolutions as they have written in their constitution.

http://www.ajkassembly.gok.pk/AJK_Interim_Constitution_Act_1974.pdf

Wheres the future of the State of Jammu & Kashmir is yet to be determined in accordance with the freely expressed will of the people of the tate through the democartic method of free and fair plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations as unvisaged in the UNCIP Resolution adopted from time to time.

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Linking a resolution does not answer my question. My question is where is Article 4 negated? Simple question. If it is not negated, then that is the final format for withdrawal.