So what if the UNCIP resolutions are valid.
So what if Article 4 is valid.
The truth is, they are all non enforceable, irrelevant, Kaput, dead, finished - even the UN says so.T
he world gives two hoots.
The Kashmiri's do not want Plebisite - they want Independence.
You guys want to live in the past - fine.
The rest of the world wants to find a solution, an honorable solution without loss of face to either of the parties.
Anyone? Even the 'Nobel' prize (along with the GS Peace prize) awaits you??
Show me where Article 4 is negated? Simple. You said you did it on Page 1. Show me snookums.
Now Aussie, I have no issue with Kashmir being independent. Pakistan's official stance has been for the past 60 years to give the people of Kashmir the right to decide. Something a democracy like India should understand.
They have the right to self-determination. They should be given it as according to the UNSC resolutions.
CM - Kashmir will not be solved the way you wish or hope it to be - you can argue all your life on resolutions, article 4, 5, 6........20,000,000!! After all for the last 60 years our leaders have been doing this. The result is 'Zero'.
Unfortunately, by making India it's enemy, Pakistan has lost more - economically, emotionally, internationally, internally, financially, physically - the Pak Army now calls the shots and at the other end, the 'Jihadi's' have taken over & follow their agenda.
It is time to consider - 'cutting you losses' and finding a honorable solution to this issue.
Win the GS peace prize, even the world will give the 'Nobel prize' to the person who solves this.
The only honorable solution is to let the Kashmiri people decide their fate. Nobody else has that right. As for losing out, I personally as a Pakistani will happily lose out more in economic, emotional, international, internal, financial, and physical terms if it means the Kashmiri People get their very basic democratic right to decide their own future.
There are more things between heaven and earth than these material possessions. For my muslim brothers and for the Kashmiri people, Pakistan has endured for the past 60 years and will continue to endure so they can get their right to decide their own fate.
Values and moral obigations are far more important than economic gains.
What about the rights of Palestinians, are they not Muslims, are they not oppressed?
What about the rights of Uighur Muslims in China, are they not oppressed?.
Kashmiri's want independence, they neither want to join Pakistan nor remain with India.
The UN resolutions / plebiscite does not give them that option.
More than 60 years of arguing, 3 wars, and nothing to show for it - except tears, pain & dependence on western countries.
India & Pakistan must rid themselves of this obsession - and find a solution.
I proposed - a Federation of Pakistan & India, Kashmir then becomes irrelevant.
You have no right to decide for them what they want. They decide. They choose. They get their basic democratic right.
End of discussion. And **** no to a federation. I will not even consider such a idea where another issue like Gujarat and its massacres can happen. Pakistan is damn fine without India. We don't need India.
Now Kashmiris deserve their right to independence if it is there will. I am pretty damn certain they will opt for either Pakistan or independence. But the choice is theirs to make and nobody else.
Once we leave the UN resolutions aside (Join India or Kashmir)
Pakistan does not have a case against India. Then the accession by the Raja becomes the final point.
This is exactly what India wants to hear - that the UN resolutions are irrelevant.
By stating that it is a 'basic democratic right' for Kashmiris choosing their own destiny, than it is a basic democratic right of **all **people in this world. This would break several countries around the world, including Pakistan (Balochistan).
A solution needs to be found - beyond emotional rhetoric.
I have no issue with that. The UN Charter states if i recall correctly that Self-determination is a valid request of a people. That is how Pakistan was created on the basis of Self-determination. I would be a fool not to offer my Kashmiri brothers the same basic fundemental human right.
Pakistan has a case. That is why it is an internationally disputed territory.
Once we leave the UN resolutions aside (Join India or Kashmir) - Pakistan does not have a case against India.
If the argument of 'basic democratic right' to choose one's destiny is used, then we open a can of worms.
Turkey (Kurds), China (Tibet, Taiwan, Turkestan), Pakistan (Balochistan), India ( Kashmir, maybe more) - where will this stop., almost all countries have some people dis-satisfied on some issue or the other.
So lets stop trying to sort out the world and try doing just one thing - find a solution to Kashmir, an workable solution which may satisfy the ego's of India & Pakistan
Yes it does. Based on the UN charter and the fact the accession of the Maharaja is not internationally accepted. It does hold any legal value period. That is why Kashmir is a disputed territory.
I don't care. These people have this right. It applied to East Timor. Bosnia. Kosovo. It applies to Palestine, Kashmir and the Kurds of the Middle East. It is a fundemental right of a people to decide their fate and future.
You not liking idea doesn't change the reality on the ground.
The only acceptable solution is for the Kashmiri people to decide for themselves. The rest is utter bull****.
Nothings going to change, only we have to change - I can foresee another 60 years go by!!.
Based on your logic, the Hindu Kashmiri pundits would demand to vote for a separate Hindu Kashmir. Kashmir would be further divided.
And what about the part, given to China - what are they to do? Or Azad Kashmir - do you really believe that Pakistan will let it go and become Independent. (People there cannot even stand for elections, unless they accept the accession to Pakistan)
Maybe someday, someone might have the brains to sit and discuss solutions to this Kashmir issue based on realities & rational thinking.