Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
Sunnis, Shiaas,whatevers Please stop arguing and fighting. Our behinds are being kicked all over and still we are not learning and fighting amongst ourselves. Worry about the events at hand and ask yourself this question
What have we done for ISLAM lately???
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
you don’t know? saara jhagra kis baat per hai phir?
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
This site is against Ansaar-e Madina and the companions. So it provides just one sided opinion, basically Shia opinion denying the fact of Sayyedna Umer :razi: and Sayyedah Ume-Kulthoom :razi: marriege.
My sources are not one sided and approved by all Ulemah karaam and also by the Govt. of Pakistan. Bring something which is out of Shia source. Phir main manooN gi.
Well its been told as well, both in Nehjul Balagha and Al-Farooq (autobiography of Sayyedna Umer :razi: ) that after becoming Khalifa, Sayyedna Umer :razi: made Sayyedna Ali :razi: as vice Khalifa on numorous times when he went on tours. He also take his suggestions in many decisions.
Bhai sahaab. I don’t practice any sect as our Prophet neither practiced nor preached any sect.
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did you even read the entire thing? the site is shia and i don’t read shia side blah blah blah…they dispute this history and provide facts..but you are brainwashed so you won’t bother reading it
so what if Imam Ali (a.s.) helped Umar? that just shows you how sincere and helpful he was…Imam Ali (a.s.) was so great he would have helped even the non muslims
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^ I have read the entire artical. The style was truely Shia style. Writing companions name like Umar, Uthmaan and Mawiyah, without any respect.
Let me describe Jang-e Jammal as well.
Parday uthati jaon gi tu bhagna matt.:o
Source : Nehjul Balagha. Muslims Philosophy (approved), Islamiyat elective (approved).
After the murder of Sayyedna Uthmaan (razi) by those Khuwarijies, there was a dispute raised to take revenge of his murder. Sayyedah Aayisha (razi) was on the opinion to take the revenge and she asked the next Khalifa Sayyedna Ali 
to do this task. But Sayyedna Ali (razi) was pretty aware of his so called friends Shiyaan-e Ali and also Khuwarijies (Shias) that those poeple were not letting him to do this job. He was pretty helpless at that time as those friends like enemies made people to believe other that only they love Ahl-e Bait and no one has the right to fight for Sayyedna Ali (razi)
Sayyedna Ali has told this fact many times in his speech clearly but he was helpless because those people were spreading hatered among poeple about other companions of Prophet :saw:. Thats why Sayyedna Ali couldnot call others for help.
While Sayyedah Aayisha (razi) was demanding the revenge of Sayyedna Uthmaan:razi: murder due to Bait-e Rizwaan. Sayyedna Ali also wanted to take revenge but Khuwarijies didnot let him to do this as they made other poeple to kill Sayyedna Uthmaan. So if Sayyedna Ali took revenge, it was clear that Khuwarijies were going to be killed.
But those Khuwarijies gave this dispute a new shape. From both sides they provoke people to fight on this issue. Saayedna Ali had almost convinced Sayyedah Aayisha regarding his positon and circumstances. So she was about to leave this matter. But oh yeah, Khuwarijies main point was to create distruction among muslims. On that evening, when both armies were about to go back, they shooted arrows from both sides and made poeple believe that the other side had attacked.
Rest of the details you know.
Allah forgive me if I had spoken any false word.
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Non Muslims? :aq: Ahan…
Thats what I am saying that there was nothing wrong among those persons. This is you Shia who are habitual of spreading rumors.:o
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No.. I do not know.. what I know, many tell me that is not the case… it is confusing… clear it up…
as for the comments on brain washed and stuff… very childish comment because I have seen sunnies saying the exact same for shias that they have been brainwashed by their scholars and books… Instead of coming without any solid proof but an article from the very faith which you are defending, is a case against yourself…
The onus is on your shoulder as Syedana Ali:razi: and ahl-e-bait have a great respect in our eyes as well .. the difference is that we see them exactly at the place where the other three Caliphs are… however, it seems your point of view is ambiguous and you are afraid to tell your beliefs … Come on, tell us.. let us know the truth… 
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Anwaar Bhai**, let me describe Karbala as well. I have attended their Majalis on every 10th of Moharam. I wonder how they portray the situation wrong. Truely wrong.:hinna:
Well they are denying Nehjul Balagha as well because it shows their true face to the world.
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do you read the post and even try to understand it? the reason i called her brainwashed is exactly because she did not read the site and came back saying its a shia site…it has 14 chapters and they proved it that it was not the same Ume Kulsoom…when you deny the facts, you sure are brainwashed
why would i be scared? yes i actually have reasons to be scared because of what ur brothers are doing in iraq
anyways i will give u a brief intro since you don’t seem to know anything about shia beliefs..this shia sunni ikhtelaf began right after the death of Prophet Mohummad (pbuh&up)…Prophet (pbuh&up) had mentioned many times to follow Imam Ali (a.s.) after him but people disobeyed him..these 3 khalifas you mentioned were not sincere to the Holy Ahle bait. Both shia sunni history explains this in detail..so if you are really interested to find out more then go to www.al-islam.org
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Khuwrijies.**
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omg..what is honestly wrong with you? you read the entire 14 chapters yet you only came up with “The style was truely Shia style. Writing companions name like Umar, Uthmaan and Mawiyah, without any respect.”
tell me where you disagree with that article…don’t run from the truth like some people ran from the battle field
baat ho rahi thi Umme Kulsoom ki and you brought jang e jammal 
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^ Yeah. I will reveal all your hypocrates deeds.
It is told in Al-Farooq (Autibiography of Sayyedna Umar ) about his marriege with Sayyedah Ume-Kulthoom .
So do you deny the facts about Jang-e Jammal?
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i know you are slow so i will tell you in simple words. he did marry Umme Kulsoom but it was not the daughter of Imam Ali (a.s.)..if you really want to know the truth then read the complete article
fact about jang e jamal is that Ayesha was wrong to fight Imam Ali (a.s.)…it killed many muslims…sunnis also believe that she was wrong to fight the 4th Khalifa
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Bhai sahaab. I don't practice any sect as our Prophet neither practiced nor preached any sect.
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Yes bro, she is orphan in terms of school of thought and according to her Abu Hanfia, Malik, Idrees Shafii, Imam Hanbal, Abdul Wahab etc all were kaafirs since they differed in understanding the teachings of Islam and not only this but Sahabah and Tabaeen are also Kaafir to ger since they also had diffence of opinions. The only person in this world she follows is Data Hajweri. :)
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^ Yeah. I will reveal all your hypocrates deeds.
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Hypocrites are those who hate Ali bin Abi Talib [as] and resort to fight aginst him (according to many authentic hadiths) so you can now strating to count them :) Hypocrites are also those who love and follow 'open' hypocrites, like I have often quoted names of various Nawasib praised by the ulema of Ahle Sunnah and not only that but they deemed them as most reliable source of deriving their religion :)
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^ To follow any Imam from 4 Imams is not wrong. You can take what ever comes easy to you. Their words are not Quranic words.
To make sect is Haraam. Mind it.
A way of Shias to spread hatered among Muslims. YOu are making my points. Keep going.:k: By showing so called love…and you killed your own Imam as he accepted Sayyedna Muawiyah’s suggestion? WTH.
Again names without respect.
Khair, the facts are that Khuwarij made Sayyedna Ali and Sayyedah Aayesha fight when they saw that both are going to sign an agreement.
Source: Nehjul Balagha.
Now don’t show me your so called sites. Read Nehjul Balagha (words of Sayyedna Ali )
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Naughty mian, I dont know why there is a lot of contradiction in the opinions of 4 sunni Ai’ma and Ulema. They even contradict them selves when it comes to determine the status of a person who curse sahaba or deny thier status.
I have read the fatwa of 4 A’ima posted by Sharaabi. And WOW!! Does’nt every body want to believe that. Specially when you follow the four imams and are brought up by listening the mullah that shia are bad and they curse every sahabi. (LOL, reminds me of my childhood)
But wait, in his rage against shia, sharaabi was to keen to quote the 4 A’ima declaring shia kafir.
But perhaps he did not know that the very same A’ima are quoted by famous Ulema and Fuq’ha of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah. To save my own time i am copying and pasting some quotes from the sunni books written by very famous sunni scholars:
Silalatul Risalah, page 19, published in Jordan:
Imam Ibne Taymiyyah (Sheikul-ul-Islam of Salafies) wrote in his book Al-Sarimul Maslool, page 579 (first pulished by Taba Sa’ada Egypt), while giving arguments against Kufr of person who insulted Sahaba:
I have only quoted two books from an article you can find Here.](http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/cursing_sahaba/en/chap1.php)
Sharaabi quoted the following fatwa by Imaam Abu Haneefah
I would really like to know whats the opinion of sharaabi in the light of above fatwa about the two sunni ulema I quoted above and about the millions of sunni muslims who consider shia thier muslim brothers.
Anyhow I encourage you to read the article, totaly based on the references taken from sunni books, I mentioned above. It will clerify a lot of your queries.
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Subhanallah 
All of those 4 people being Imams of school differed from other (Imams) which paved the way to laid the foundation of their individual ‘school/sect’ which you have always been shouting at but now ‘its not wrong’ to follow those 4 different schools. I think you need to take some rest. In Shia hatredness and your love for Nawasib, you are unaware as to what you exactly want to say.
As a Shia, i am of the opinion to have peace with all other school of thoughts and do not intend to create tensions amonst them like you do by throwing pathetic and idiotic posts.
Yazeed (la) was my Imam? Naudobillah. Rather we see in Bukhari that Abdullah Ibn umar was the one who deemed the bayah of yazeed (la) to be on par with the bayah taken in accoradance to the injunctions of Allah [swt]. May Allah save all humans from such inhuman people.
As for Muawyah, you want me to quote tradiotins where our Imams send lanaath on that person? Or said that 'I know in which bed you have been conceived". I hope you dont like to see that.
As for love for Imam, dont dont have moral right whatsoever to cast doubts on the love the Shian e Ahlulbayt [as] possess for them while you take religion from the open Nawasib and Khawarij.
Probably you dont follow Islam rather christanity since the belief you have just raised in core belief of christianity where one is allowed to put the burden of his sins on the shoulders of others or bringing excuses of grave sins committed. There are NO excuses allowed in Islam for the sins committed by a person so you cannot absolve lady Ayesha from the sin of going out of the house of Prophet after His [s] death and causing sedition.
Most importantly, you dont have ANY moral right to attack on your Khariji predecessors since you take hadeeths from them
No i wont, because its waste of time with you
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Bibi, you claim that you dont follow any sect and are muslim. Yet you follow a Quran which neither sunni nor shia follow. In your other post HERE you quoted sura Ahzab 33:59
And then you posted HERE
Following is the Arbic text of the quran you quoted. Can you enlighten us where does it say Royatika?
For your comfort heres the bigger version of arabic text. Just Click HERE
And when confronted by other guppies that there is no Royatika in that verse you never showed up in that thread. This only proof one thing. The quran you follow is not waht the muslim (both shia and sunni) believe in or you believe in a distorted version of quran. Either way there is no point of discussing with you on any topic about islam or islamic history unless you provide us with the proof that you follow the same quran.
strange, that you claim that you are Bint-e-Iqbal but you lack of any intellect he had.
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^ Brother I read the verse again abd found Royatika was not there. It was due to numorous translation which I have read.
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It isnt any proof. In the other thread you insisted. Read again what i qouted above from your post.
Again:
And yet you have the audacity to call other hypocrites.