Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
Not all kufans were shias …remember that kufa was founded in the time of Umar(ra)
secondly Ali has rebuked and criticized many other people in that compilation
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
Now let me tell you some other facts as well about Khuwarij.
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Khalifa is selected by Allah.
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He is tongue of Allah. Allah speaks through the Khalifa.
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What ever he does is the order of Allah.
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All should obey him what ever he asks.
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Only Allah has the right to make orders. So he should not accept ay other human’s suggestion.
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If he does, it is right to kill him because he has broken Allah’s law.
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If a Muslim commits a crime. He should be killed. Whether he steals something or drinks wine. His only punishment is to kill him.
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Non-Muslims should not be touched because they pay tax. So if they commit crime, they should not be punished.
Source: Muslim Philosophy. (approved by all Ulemah and Govt. of Pakistan. Islamiyat Ikhteyari approved by Ulemah and Govt. of Pakistan)
Ahhhhh…those Kofies…hypocrates…
About decendents of Prophets. Its not a special thing. Noah’s son was also a Prophet’s son but he was punished due to his false believes.
Hud (The Prophet Hud)
11:40 [And so it went on] till, when Our judgment came to pass, and waters gushed forth in torrents over the face of the earth, [62] We said [unto Noah]: “Place on board of this [ark] one pair of each [kind of animal] of either sex, [63] as well as thy family -except those on whom [Our] sentence has already been passed [64] -and all [others] who have attained to faith!”-for, only a few [of Noah’s people] shared his faith.
Hud (The Prophet Hud)
11:45 And Noah called out to his Sustainer, and said: “O my Sustainer! Verily, my son was of my family; [67] and, verily, Thy promise always comes true, and Thou art the most just of all judges!”
Hud (The Prophet Hud)
11:46 [God] answered: “O Noah, behold, he was not of thy family, for, verily, he was unrighteous in his conduct. [68] And thou shalt not ask of Me anything whereof thou canst not have any knowledge: [69] thus, behold, do I admonish thee lest thou become one of those who are unaware [of what is right].” [70]
11:81 [Whereupon the angels] said: “O Lot! Behold, we are messengers from thy Sustainer! Never shall [thy enemies] attain to thee! Depart, then, with thy household while it is yet night, and let none of you look back; [112] [and take with thee all thy family] with the exception of thy wife: for, behold, that which is to befall these [people of Sodom] shall befall her [as well]. [113] Verily, their appointed time is the morning [and] is not the morning nigh?”
Oh yeah. Allah has told us in Qur’an that Wives of Sayyedna Mohammad :saw: are our Mothers.
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Anwaar bhai**, Shia call other muslims as Musalmaan and they call themeslves as Mo’min. They say that Only Shia Aalims have the true knowledge.
Now I am quoting Sayyed Ali Hijweri aka Dataa Ganj Bakhsh :rehm: but they are rejecting them because his words are exposing their true face to the world.
But oh yeah, he was not Shia.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
why so much discussions? why everyone is becoming GOD almighty for others. Let GOD do his judgement job when and how it pleases him. We should only take care of HOUQOUQ UL EBAD.
We can care about this among our selves. GOD would not forgive us for our sins regarding houqouq ul ebad.
If we are able and willing to care for houqouq ul ebad. It is fine. Leave what GOD wants us otherwise to do. This all is between us and GOD. I believe HE (GOD) willl forgive us for our any negligence regarding FARAEI DINN OR OUSOULE DIN.
We all now know shias are all muslims. Because to accept islam ,Prophet (SA) and all the later ambeyas (R) used to do IKTEFA on KAlmaei tayaba BUS , no more no less.
one (muslim) has to search the path to jannat. Let them go to any shop(any person), they feel the will get the best from that one. You go to a person of your choice (the shop you feel) you will get the best. yar khatam karou sunni , shia, qadyani , wahabies ka chakar. bouhat hou gaya.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
What i want to ask the Shias on this board is...the animosity between Muawiyah & Co. and Ali, they quote from Sahih Muslim...did this animosity continue down the ages?
Or was it just...that one group of people in that one generation that were on Muawiyah's side in the battles against Ali. We all know the nature of those battles and we all know who were the catalysts in those battles.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
^ Observe the sectarian rifts around you and you'll realise it as a sadaqa jaariya from those times.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
Yes because according to Ahle Sunnah, in terms of knowledge of religion Data Ganj Baksh was not exalted than the authors of Saha Satta and other ulema like Zuhbi, Ibn Hajar, Imam Ahmad etc. Shias are using words of pioneer ulema not recently passed saint. I dont know why you believe that all these ulema were ignorants of first order but Data Ganj Baksh knew all (although he himself followed the teachings passed by those early ulema) 
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
It really bothers that you havent been paying any attention to the so far discussion which made you to pose this question. Yuo asked whether that animosity towards Ali [as] continued or not (in copying Muaywah & Co) while I have always been giving the names of those ‘Tabaeen’ and other people who came later on who followed the very ideology of ‘Nasb’ (Nasibism) and the most unfortunate fact is (which hurts the sentiments of all Shias) that ulema of Ahle Sunnah not only deemed those Nawasib as ‘reliable’ for narrating hadeeth but were praised by giving titles like Thiqa, Seduq, Fiqah, pious, scholar etc.
Btw, you mentioned Sahih Muslim only while there are lots more sources which shows the animostiy the Muawyah and Co. had towards Ahlulbayt [as] including the prediction of Holy Prophet [s] (thus that was bound to happen).
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
OMG bhai,
http://www.balagh.net/english/shia/shia_islam/05.htm
Ibn Sa’d, VI, p.7; Ba1adhuri, Origins, p.448
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
The sectarian rifts have nothing to do with abusing any of the Ahl al Bait.
Even hardcore groups like Sipah Sahaba...respect the Ahle Bait, Ali (rah) and his sons.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
Imam Muawiyah and Ali (rah) were at War. We all know that and we all know who caused the war in the first place. So why is it a big surprise to find out that there was animosity between Muawiyah and Ali?
And we all know that they later reconciled, and Hasan (rah) later gave baiyah to Imam Muawiyah…and it was during that one little period of time that there was animosity between some of the Tabe’een, who happened to be with Imam Muawiyah, and Ali (rah). There were some of the most learned and pious people involved in the war. We cant hold them accountable for what happened just like how we cant hold Ali or Muawiyah accountable.
The truth about this fact can be proved from the fact that this animosity died back then…and didn’t continue down the ages, unlike the shias who continue to harbor the utmost hate for the Sahaabas.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
May be its not a big surprise for you but one who have grudge against Ali is Munafiq according to all. You may bot be surpised by this but we DO care about enemies of Ahlulbayt [as] since one who dies in the hatred of Ahlulbayt [as] dies the death of Kufr (unanimous).
And btw thats the casual appraoch of some of you which feel bad to us, the casual approach towards those who faught Ahlulbayt [as] but if someone fights or severely critisize or reject the first three and few ladies, he will be abruptly called kafir, rafidhi etc etc.
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The truth about this fact can be proved from the fact that this animosity died back then...and didn't continue down the ages, unlike the shias who continue to harbor the utmost hate for the Sahaabas.
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It never died, till the day Ahle Sunnah will make use of books filled with the 'open' Nasibies and do not abandon those people instead of praising them, the rift will remain. As for your objection at Shia stance on Sahaba (those who deviated from Ahlulbayt [as]), we CANNOT sail in two boats at time and cannot show hypocrisy to call "RA" for both the parites who were at war, either we shud clearly go there or here, because according to us, one who have aducaity to fight or hate Ahlulbayt [as] has no value in general let alone in Islam.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
Even hardcore groups like Sipah Sahaba...respect the Ahle Bait, Ali (rah) and his sons.
Oh yeah, much respect they are showing to Imam Hussain [as] while calling his notorious killer as Imam/pious/'RA' etc. See these are things which makes everything clear. But it isnt their fault, as i have been repeatedly saying, their predecessors had been praising the 'open' enemies of Ahlulbaut [as] and were given a exalted place in the madhab.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
bro Das Reich, OMG believes and follows ‘Sayed Ali Hajweri Data Ganj Baksh’ ONLY, she doesnt have to do anything with rest of the scholars including those who Sayed Ali Hajweri himself followed 
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
^ 
Have you read Kashf-ul Mahjoob? Sayed Ali Hajweri Data Ganj Bakhsh has described every type of Wilayat and Tasawuf and all the Fatwa’s of all great known and some un-known scholars as well.
Like companions of Prophet :saw: Tabeyin. Mutakhireen. Then the different schools of thoughts. He counted Sayyedna Ali 
and Sayyedna Uthmaan as companions of Sayyedna Mohammad :saw:. Both had been his son-in-laws. He had described very carefully and keenly the way and believes and realtionship between companions of Prophet :saw:
Well I have not only read Sayyed Ali Hijweri :rehm:. I am qouting from Nehjul Balagha and Muslim Philosophy (approved) as well. Also from some other authentic books.
Well, if you really love Ahl-e Bait, whats wrong with Sayyed Ali Hijweri? :aq:
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
And a great fact which Shias mostly skip is that Sayyedna Ali gave her daughter in the hitch of Sayyedna Umer after became Caliph. Yes, in the begining he was not happy with Sayyedna Umer but after some time when he saw his virtues and his solid statements, also his control over the big nation, he was very impressed by him. So he asked him to marry his daughter named Sayyedah Umm-e Kulsoom She was also with Sayyedna Hussain in Karbala.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
When did i say anything against Data Hajweri? I am just pointing out pioneer ulema whom Data himself followed (like you) but yet you are not ready to see what they believed.
As for Ume Kulthoom [as], that is entirely different topic.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias...please help...
It was not the same Ume Kulsoom (a.s.) who married 2nd khalifa...this has already been discussed here before.
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
^ Yeah yeah…
Hypocrates…denying facts…
Ok, do you deny this as well that Sayyedna Hassan and Sayyedna Hussain was guadring the house of Sayyedna Uthman when he was martyred?
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
oh so you know the facts right..you were there when the nikkah ceremony was taking place..you people are good for distorting history and kill as many innocents as possible
go to http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/umme_kulthum/en/index.php and read all the details
Re: The Four Imams and their opinions on shias…please help…
so, what’s your opinion on Syedana Abu Bakar:razi:, Syedana Umer:razi:, and Syedana Usman:razi:? Can your opinion be taken as position of Shias on the issue?