The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim alliance:

**The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim alliance: EDL joins protesters angry at ‘grooming of girls’

At first, the dozen white men mingling with 300 or so Sikh demonstrators besieging Luton police station went largely unnoticed.
They stood on the fringes, content to observe. But as the night wore on and the intensity of the protest increased, the white men grew more raucous and aggressive.
What was remarkable about their presence was that they were members of the far-Right English Defence League.

They had turned up to express support for their Sikh ‘brothers’ who were angry at the way detectives had handled an allegation that a young Sikh woman had been sexually assaulted by a Muslim man.
The EDL makes no secret that it loathes Islamism, but stresses that, unlike the British National Party, it embraces all other creeds.

That said, when EDL supporters have taken to the streets in the past they have done so with St George’s flags and banners bearing inflammatory slogans.

In Luton all 12 men, including EDL leader Tommy Robinson and his right-hand man Kevin Carroll, wore a rumal, the traditional Sikh headscarf.
That night – May 29 – racial tensions had risen in the multicultural town and this time it was Luton’s usually equable Sikh community that was angry.

Bringing traffic to a standstill, female protesters lay down in the dual-carriageway that splits the town centre. Others demanded answers from individual officers.
While there was much anger and plenty of noise, there was no violence, and by midnight it was all over. Yet that night a curious alliance was formed.
A Mail on Sunday investigation has established that the leadership of the EDL has aligned itself with groups of radical Sikhs from Luton, the West Midlands and other parts of the country, who are furious that young women in their communities are, as they see it, being sexually exploited and groomed by British-Pakistani Muslims.
Two days after the protest, Sikhs and EDL members held a secret meeting in Luton to discuss a joint response to the problem. Both sides are said to have favoured acts of vigilantism.
There has been unofficial contact between Sikhs and the EDL for some time, and the links were cemented at the protest.

Asked about the secret meeting, Mr Robinson said: ‘Who told you about that? We can’t comment on exactly what we will do with the Sikhs but we will do whatever we can to work together, raise awareness and combat the problem.’

When pressed about plans to carry out vigilante acts, Mr Robinson – who earlier this year was the focus of a Channel 4 documentary called Proud And Prejudiced – said:
‘When the police fail to protect the community, when they fail to protect daughters, we have to protect them.
‘We live in a community where Muslim paedophile gangs are operating without police pressure. If a Sikh girl is attacked in Luton that is my problem because she is a member of my community.

‘I class everyone in my community as everyone who is non-Islamic.’
The EDL has held many demonstrations across the country since it was formed in Luton in March 2009 after Muslim radicals disrupted a homecoming parade by the Royal Anglian Regiment. It has become the most significant far-Right street movement in Britain since the National Front in the Seventies.
Nick Lowles, director of the anti-fascist organisation Hope Not Hate, said: ‘We are aware there has been contact between the EDL and a small group of radical Sikhs. But there is nothing to be gained by anyone in the Sikh community linking up with the racist EDL.
‘We need to tackle the issue of child exploitation, but it needs to be a community-wide response.’
While the EDL supporters in Luton were welcomed by some, the town’s Sikh elders viewed their presence at the protest as opportunism.
They accuse EDL leaders of trying to hijack the protest and exploiting difficulties between their community and the town’s large Pakistani Muslim population.
The issue of grooming is at the heart of that discord.
The group of radical Sikhs says it receives about three calls a week from Sikh parents fearing their children are being targeted.

There have been few prosecutions, however, largely because the issue touches upon notions of honour and shame.
Jasvinder Singh Nagra, of the Luton Gurdwara temple, said: ‘Young girls of school and college age are being targeted by men from the Pakistani community.
They are duping them into believing they are in love and it all comes to grief because they are treated as sex toys.
‘A small proportion of the Pakistani community feel it is fair game to go for Sikh and Hindu girls.
‘In the past, the Pakistani community have not taken this seriously and neither have the police. They have not looked into the role played by coercion or blackmail.
‘We know that at colleges and universities you have young Muslim men wearing the kara [a bangle worn by Sikhs] to pretend they are part of the community, or they change their names to pretend to be Sikh and our girls fall for it.
‘Before they know it they are with this man and then compromising photographs will be taken of her. She will be threatened with having these shown to her family and the fear of losing honour is a very powerful tool to make her do what the man wants.’
But Mr Nagra said protest organisers did not share EDL’s values. ‘The arrival of the EDL was a total surprise to me,’ he added.
‘They were there to try to make an alliance over what they felt was a common issue. It caused a great deal of anxiety because we wanted, above all, for the protest to be peaceful.

‘The EDL leaders were showing off to our young people by being very aggressive in the way they spoke to the police, pretending to be doing it out of solidarity.
‘I would advise our young people not to be lured down the EDL route of taking the law into our own hands and vigilante activity.’
In response, the day after the protest, some 40 leaders from the Sikh and Muslim communities met at the Gurdwara to discuss their differences in a two-hour meeting.

Mr Nagra said: ‘I was delighted that so many people from the Pakistani community came.’

Zafar Khan, of the Luton Council of Faiths, who chaired the meeting, said: ‘The idea that there is an orchestrated campaign by young Muslim men to target young Sikh women is totally insulting and wrong. This is the language of the EDL.’
He added: ‘The threat of the EDL is very great in Luton. We have a lot of experience in dealing with them and that is why we reacted so promptly.

‘Now we will meet every couple of months to talk about inter- community issues.’
A Bedfordshire Police spokesman urged anyone with evidence of grooming of people ‘from any faith or group’ to come forward, but added that there was nothing to indicate that ‘systematic’ grooming of Sikh girls was taking place in Luton.

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Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

The growing anti Muslim/Pakistani sentiment within the world and now in the UK itself is highly disturbing, along with the fact that this story is regarding some groups of males who have been abusing young girls yet time and time again their race, ethnicity and even religion (surprise, surprise) is being dragged into the news by the media propaganda machine.

It is obvious that these stories have less to do with the crimes done by these males but more about stiring more hatred towards muslims and especially the Pakistani community and country itself to prepare the people of the UK for any action or even war against Pakistan itself. The Pakistani community is the largest community of muslims within the UK and on the whole good law abiding citizens, like all muslims, yet they are not being portrayed as such.

Also considering the fact that for centuries and even today, white non muslim men and others are well known for abusing young girls abroad and using women for sex, going on sex holidays to asia e.g. thailand, soldiers raping little girls in places such as Iraq etc.... and even Israel itself according to Amnesty International in its reports has been using european women to work in their forced slave sex trade for years. So why the double standards? Why hide the shameful acts done by their own men and other countries from the media? Why only blame a select community when white men even in the UK are abusing girls both at home and abroad? Why?????? Because theres more to this anti Pakistani hate, thats why!

Are white girls somehow more precious than any other community or race of girls? Dont black or asian or oriental women get approached and drugged or raped by other communities of men, including white men who arent muslims? I know for a fact that many men of all creeds and colours have been abusing girls both in the uk and abroad yet many get away with it. Many are professionals who even work in government!

Many women in other countries go without justice when they are violated by such men, why? Because their countries lack the power and political standing the western nations citizens have, where is their justice and why arent their rapists and paedophiles punished and held to account!? Why is the honour of a girl in asia or africa who was raped by a British man or soldier any less of a white Uk girl? These women are just brushed under the carpet or said to be after money..............sick!

These men are paedophiles and criminals, but this should not be an issue about race or religion or ethnicity, but one of criminal behavior which happens in all communities and not just a few where the biased and no doubt racist media like to pick and choose who to demonise next.

The way this media in the UK has been spreading this story like wildfire is to stir up more religious and racial hatred as many of these racist far right groups such as the BNP & EDL & even normal citizens of the UK have been saying how they should, 'do the same to Pakistani girls and muslim girls!' ....This clearly shows that this is more about religion and attacking muslims than a group of evil men.

Please be aware that this hatred is likely to continue not just in the UK but also abroad as these western nations prepare for wars against muslims, so please everyone keep safe and keep alert.

Last Point: Dont let the media lies or that of others, even in government blind you. Some muslims have started attacking other muslims, even in the Pakistani community with the blame of 'girl grooming'. This is what these people want, to divide and rule.

Before it was Iraqis who were bad and kurds raping white women and girls and arabs etc... who will they pick on next? The vast majority have nothing to do with such behavior.

Use your brains people, not greed for living cushy so you turn against your own brothers and sisters in turn for the money and ease of living amongst kufr. Even to hindus, blacks, whites and sikhs or anyone who is human and decent... no good comes from demonising whole groups or nations or religions of people, and one day these evil men/women will turn against you also.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

What I don't get is, people are quick to cry about discrimination/racism/agenda but has the fact that it was their very own Muslim/Pakistani men who committed atrocious crimes ever been addressed?

I have yet to read ANYTHING in the news or on the boards where the guys who are committing these crimes are denounced by their fellow Muslims. Forget ever probing into WHY they behave like this, what makes them get into gangs and rape/abuse women......in all these tirades, the fact that they raped/abused women are just swept under the rug. I.e., no one asks WHY they did it but are angry about why it's pointed out that they did it.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

O-ooh a catfight !! :khumar:

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Thats untrue, like most issues, muslims are not given the press coverage or opportunity to reply back. Secondly this happens in all races and religions and the muslim or pakistani community doesnt have to apologise for anything since the vast majority dont do anything illegal.

Do you get your own men to apologise for every crime they do? Did you read my post attentively? White men abuse white women more than any other race or religion of men, does your media report on Israels sex trafficking and abuse of european women. No, but why?? Because they dont care.

As I have stated this is criminal, not cultural or religiously motivated. Ask these men why they did it and they will use any excuse under the sun for their criminal behavior like most criminals.

I dont have to sit here as a Pakistani and beg you for forgiveness or explain these mens actions, but I do not condone it either and as mentioned, why arent white men or soldiers held to account for their sex crimes both home and abroad??? I know women who have been victims of non muslim mens sex crimes and they walk free.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

Err the issue of sex trafficking of Eastern European women HAS been brought up in the UK media plenty of times..

Regarding the article in the OP I think this is a bit different from the grooming/sex abuse cases in that most of these stories involve young women **over **the age of consent who weren’t actually abused (in fact I don’t think the police have even said there is any actual problem of Sikh women being actively targeted, seems they are mostly talking about Sikh college and uni girls with Muslim boyfriends who Sikh guys believe ‘conned’ them into believing they were also Sikh, had consensual sex then allegedly taken compromising photos and threatened to blackmail these girls.. Again, the police don’t seem that convinced and not many girls themselves seem to back up these strories which makes me think it’s more about Sikh guys being upset about ‘their’ girls going out with Muslim boys (how could so many girls be duped anyway, did they not meet these Muslim boys’ friends or family, would it not be obvious from their surnames or are we supposed to believe despite going out with them, being with them at college etc. they didn’t even know their boyfriend’s real second names :rolleyes:

The grooming/sex gang cases from Rochdale are disgusting and should be talked about.. There was plenty of evidence there so not much doubt as to what happened either..

Nothing wrong with talking about these issues objectively.. Trying to muddy the waters and deflect attention away rather than tackle the issues head-on or ask why just makes us look insecure and pathetic..

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

One, no one expects Muslims to ask for forgiveness. You're sidelining this discussion by debating in irrelevant extremes. Two, you say you don't condone it, but do you vocally condemn it? With the same zeal you point out Western sins? You can't be neutral on a moving train. Silence is complicity. As a passionate Muslim activist, the world is looking to you to vocally and unequivocally denounce these things, precisely because the fanatic minority has hijacked the narrative. People want to know who this allegedly moderate, peace-loving, tolerant majority is. Tell them.

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as mentioned, why arent white men or soldiers held to account for their sex crimes both home and abroad??? I know women who have been victims of non muslim mens sex crimes and they walk free.
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With a little media attention, they usually are. The US soldier convicted of raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl was given 100 yrs. Generally speaking, the rule of law is better upheld in Western justice systems because the framework for it exists, and the public holds the courts accountable. If you really want to play the comparison game, let's do it. Women are sexually abused everywhere by insiders and outsiders, female soldiers are raped in their own barracks in every military - but where is a woman more likely to get heard? In Pakistan or the godless West?

Post a thread about why a woman who is raped in Pakistan is accused of fornication/adultery. Ask people why the Hudood Ordinances still exist. You'll get crickets. I say go where the silence is, don't preach to the choir with these crowd-pleasing tirades against the kufr West. They're great but aplenty.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

Debating in irrelevant extremes. Bull's eye.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

Just so I get this straight. Please clarify if I am wrong. But neo-nazis staging/supporting a demonstration against a minority based on the actions of a single individual is perfectly moral and legit?

After all silence is complicity.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

^ point taken. Agree with you there. The far rulight party does seem to be up to no good. ( don't know anything about this party - never heard of them. But they seem ti be up to no good)

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

Its basically a neo-nazi party along the lines of Le Pen's party in France and Wilder's party in the Netherlands. Focused on fear mongering and racism.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

It is a shame then that the Sikhs would join forces with them.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

Its a shame they even exist.

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Do you or the other posters apologise or protest vocally when issues involve your own communities? As a muslim and Pakistani i know EXACTLY what these western far right groups and others are trying to do and it is to stir up religious and racial hatred whilst making muslims feel as though they have to apologise and beg for their forgiveness or be given the right to practice their religion as they should.

US soldiers on the whole are NOT convicted of mass rapes and abuses abroad or at home, who are you trying to kid?? US soldiers have been raping their own military women and they are walking free and you will see and hear many reports on this from the women themselves with only a minority facing prosecution. So maybe you should focus closer on home than blaming others.

The world is also looking at the so called perfect examples of humanity and morality from non muslims yet they do not apologise for their crimes be they mass murder, mass rapes, genocides or torture of others. You cant expect others to do the same when you yourselves do much much worse!

The EDL & BNP are government puppets used to stir up religious and racial hatred in the UK and no muslim gang would be allowed to do the same, so why the hypocrisy?

And as far as Pakistans religious laws go, the country doesnt even have the correct sharia law implemented and is run by a government that is pro western, so go figure!

I am not a Pakistani citizen, but am one of europe and I have EVERY right to challenge and complain about what goes on in MY country without being told I should go complain about other countries.

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I know what the article is about I also know that these stories are intrinsically linked, so you need to read between the lines instead of diverting attention away from such issues and making them out to be nothing. We all know how the kufr media cleverly brainwash the masses and drip feed stereotypes and hatred into their minds and prepare them for supporting future wars or the alienation of certain groups. Like sikh men dont chase muslim women or lie or even hindus or christian men etc… so why the double standards? There is a bigger plan here and in time it will reveal itself.

You dont have to agree but I know what my people see, hear and experience and feel on a daily bases and the way they are made to feel like outsiders by those who are anything but saints themselves.

Do you honestly believe the EDL even like sikhs when they hate muslims for covering their heads and having long beards, wearing funny clothes and their culture and traditions, do sikhs not have or do the same and have longer beards etc…? Such groups are here to cause hatred and division and are supported by the government as they are free to roam the streets and spread hatred. Sure the police pretend to be helping, but no muslims or any other community would get away with even a quarter of what the EDL & BNP do.

I will continue to give out a different voice and not be scared or intimidated by those who want to silence a differing voice or opinion or remove such comments or ban people for fear of others learning the truth instead of the media crap they are fed on a daily basis.

The problem today is that muslims are either too scared to speak out or too divided, look at this thread full of kufr who support one another, yet where are the muslims to support one another? The media is the tool of non muslims and they will remove anything they do not wish others to see or hear.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

It's not legit/moral, only that's not PrincessJ's point here. If you spare a moment from rhetorical baiting (I know it's fun), you'll notice the obvious. Several posters have reacted the same way for a reason. OP's post #2 completely eclipsed the article, making it clear this thread is less about EDL and more about the need to grind the usual axe about a global conspiracy against Muslims. The theme here is similar to the one in the Honor Killings thread. The commentary is zealously one-sided, which is why Sara516's response resonated with everyone. I'm sure you don't think Sara needs to clarify that she doesn't endorse neo-Nazism.

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

True. But there are many Sikhs who are intelligent enough to see through these far right groups intentions. This man in the article is shown wearing a headscarf to show his support for sikhs, yet the guy hates any form of covering for any religion and even the sikhs long beards and beliefs and is only doing so because like most today they are trying to gain as much support against muslims as is possible even if it means using others whom they also hate to achieve their goals. Reminds me of Hitler when he was losing the war he turned to japan for support, the people with the tiny eyes and strange looks he hated and disliked as he saw the arian features and race as the ideal, but he knew he needed their help so went along with using them and had to change many of his racial policies to fit them in e.g. allowing his soldiers to breed with their women, hence many japanese with western features and skin tone. Its the same throughout history.

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Yes my posts are about exposing the double standards against muslims of any country and like many I know we do believe that when issues such as honour killings and sex grooming of girls is mentioned and so forth that muslims are targeted unfairly compared to other religions or those without religion also as these issues involve other people and communities and religions too, but they are on the whole let off because they are NOT MUSLIM!

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PrincessJ, your posts reflect a severe case of siege mentality. You need to reign in your reflex to deflect anything done by your "brothers and sisters" by pointing out excesses of non-Muslims, like that somehow absolves the former. How is this article a conspiracy? I just read all of it, it's not an opinion piece. The fact that you think the very identification of the community involved - Muslims and Pakistanis - is a nefarious plot to malign them reflects how badly you've lost the plot. What should it say? "Males of an anonymous ethnicity are involved in targeting females of another anonymous ethnicity?"

Yes, no one denies British society is racist. But I still don't follow why you're defending Pakistani men using Sikh women as sex toys. You're walking a thin line here defending the indefensible in the name of religious solidarity. You're also arguing yourself into a hole - face the facts, no matter how damning. You have to if you want to be intellectually honest.

ps. I think I'm going to have an aneurysm if I read one more kuffar comment on this site. I could close my eyes and it's like a bunch of Pat Robertsons mouthing off. Is Islamic evangelism in fashion or something?

Re: The far-Right leader in a Sikh headscarf and a very disturbing anti-Muslim allian

You can have your opinion, but I will voice mine since the rest of the media do not allow muslims a voice. I have never said I defend Pakistani men, you use that spin to make out that this isnt about attacking muslims, well I disagree with that statement and hence my posts. If you cant take the heat then get out of the kitchen.

You talk of seige mentality? Well thats what these countries and people do to muslims on a daily basis. I have only replied to posts on my thread and given my opinion and this forum doesnt belong to any one person so I am entitled to my view. So what if some of us disagree with the way non muslims treat others and expose their hatred and double standards? I suggest you have your anuerysm somewhere else if you do not like what i write like some others.

If there is a problem then the mods are more than capable but do not try and police even a Pakistani forum with your trolls to defend kufr crimes and propaganda against others and try and silence people from exposing their agendas. I recognise many trolls here as members of other non muslim forums here to brainwash people and that includes some of the military members here.