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Only when the stars collide.
This is how Veda Vyasa always flummoxed Lord Ganesha while the latter was the scribe for Vyasa s "The Mahabharata"
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When? Show me examples when someone has said the failure of this task was their fault and never got fired for it. I’ve been watching the UK show since season 1 aswell, and i’ve seen all the usa series aswell. I don’t think I have seen anyone survive it after admitting that. How can one have something to offer if it was their fault the group failed? Look at episode 1 as a prime example and who got fired.
If you’re talking about taking some blame, and if it was partly your fault that the group failed you should take some blame for it. That’s common sense no?
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Peace Sentry
I can show several spot examples if I go through the series, but the one person who sticks out is Tom Pellereau … Inventor …they even called him the hindsight man, and he was on the losing side many times. Watch this around 5 min onwards.
What gave him his chance was that he knew where things were going wrong and he articulated that. He did take some blame where it was due, but it should be taken constructively as a learning point.
Now I’m saying that the candidate would say the whole task failed because of them, but to admit certain mistakes where they were justified. I did also however say that they should not be hell bent in blaming others … That is not professional.
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That video is irrelevant cause I asked for examples of where people admitted the failure of the task was their fault, and they survived. Tom never said any task that lost was his fault, he used to say that products were not communicated properly, or his ideas were never listened to. It’s a different topic. Anyway, I agreed with you with regards to people should admit slight faults, however if need be and within reason the spotlight of blame should always be on the person/s you think are really responsilble for the failure of the task, ignoring your own mistakes of course and letting alan and his advisors make their own decisions with what’s brought in front of them.
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That video is irrelevant cause I asked for examples of where people admitted the failure of the task was their fault, and they survived. Tom never said any task that lost was his fault, he used to say that products were not communicated properly, or his ideas were never listened to. It's a different topic. Anyway, I agreed with you with regards to people should admit slight faults, however if need be and within reason the spotlight of blame should always be on the person/s you think are really responsilble for the failure of the task, ignoring your own mistakes of course and letting alan and his advisors make their own decisions with what's brought in front of them.
This is the way to go far in the business world ... so long as you don't make the same mistakes again. Sugar and his advisors know that very well. I think we understand each other now.
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One things that has struck me - Donald trump is more concerned about what Business school you went to and the MBA. Alan sugar is much more gritty and doesnt give you extra consideration for having an MBA. He looks for more real life experience. Just an observation
I agree with this .. I guess Trump is more inclined towards the corporate criterion , while Sugar goes for more of a non corporate kind of acumen in candidates. He keeps insisting in almost every series that he likes people who have started from scratch and grown their businesses without much financial support ..
Sugar likes to see in candidates the same passion and struggle he went through in his early life
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This is the way to go far in the business world ... so long as you don't make the same mistakes again. Sugar and his advisors know that very well. I think we understand each other now.
I have to agree with Psyah, in Sugar's world, I have seen people get fired faster if its their fault and they dont admit it!! Sugar makes them admit it !
I think that is how the corporate world works , you cant get away from it , so the more honest way is to admit , learn and move on from it as a better person . If you aggressively fight off , unless you have the strongest argument to save your self , you cant get out of that situation.
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I agree with this .. I guess Trump is more inclined towards the corporate criterion , while Sugar goes for more of a non corporate kind of acumen in candidates. He keeps insisting in almost every series that he likes people who have started from scratch and grown their businesses without much financial support ..
Sugar likes to see in candidates the same passion and struggle he went through in his early life
I have not seen any of the US ones, but it seems from this analysis that Sugar is looking for a business partner who can handle a business independently (so he is operating like a venture capitalist with the apprentice), whereas Trump wants an employee he can own ...
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Lindsay Booth, oh my god , I felt so irritated with her , I cant even begin to tell you . She was a fallen angel all through and through . It was so freaking evident in her eyes and boy language that the instant they got into the boardroom , I wanted her out and that is exactly what Sugar did , good riddance.
RIP Noorun. You were not not out for the role. I saw her show with Dara afterwards and totally feel she is not the corporate material. Her biggest issue is her lack of conviction and it surprises me how she is running her three businesses that she claims are so successful.
Now back to Lindsay Booth, somewhere I feel she was too honest for her own good. but then I also feel she is the perfect example of that person who failed everywhere except where their passion lay .. you cannot be a corporate person but still be successful? what say?
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It takes a very particular individual to be corporate ... and anyone can own and run a business so long as they have a set-up and a good product ... but it will never be more than a cottage industry business if certain big thinking is not undertaken. Corporate people are also not the best business owners necessarily ... Corporate people like to do a very limited range of things and like routine ... Business Owners think on a different level.
I'm still yet to see episode 3 ...
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I have to agree with Psyah, in Sugar's world, I have seen people get fired faster if its their fault and they dont admit it!! Sugar makes them admit it !
I think that is how the corporate world works , you cant get away from it , so the more honest way is to admit , learn and move on from it as a better person . If you aggressively fight off , unless you have the strongest argument to save your self , you cant get out of that situation.
This is the way to go far in the business world ... so long as you don't make the same mistakes again. Sugar and his advisors know that very well. I think we understand each other now.
I don't think so, I think I have seen more people get fired wrongly when the blame has been put on them. This is about getting a job and although it is okay to admit some wrong doing, at the end of the day he'll always ask the question "who is resposible for you losing this task" where you can state your case against whoever was the weakest link and give your reasons. And CB, you're right. If you don't have a strong argument you're gonna get fired. Anyway, it works both ways. Either you can admit your mistakes, have a strong argument but let the other two tag team you and you're the one who ends up getting fired or admit your mistakes and go out guns blazing by blaming everyone else.
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Lindsay Booth, oh my god , I felt so irritated with her , I cant even begin to tell you . She was a fallen angel all through and through . It was so freaking evident in her eyes and boy language that the instant they got into the boardroom , I wanted her out and that is exactly what Sugar did , good riddance.
RIP Noorun. You were not not out for the role. I saw her show with Dara afterwards and totally feel she is not the corporate material. Her biggest issue is her lack of conviction and it surprises me how she is running her three businesses that she claims are so successful.
Now back to Lindsay Booth, somewhere I feel she was too honest for her own good. but then I also feel she is the perfect example of that person who failed everywhere except where their passion lay .. you cannot be a corporate person but still be successful? what say?
It was a good episode. I agree, lindsay had given up. She even admitted it herself that she was outta her league, it was so funny and amusing to watch. She took someone elses seat by being there when she didn't even want it or care.
Nurun clearly showed she doesn't know what she's doing. It was a market stall task and she flopped. Simples. To tell alan that she's from whereever (peterborough) and this is london, as if that makes any difference. She couldn't sell, she was really bad. I think her perception of a "successful" business probably differs from ours. I think the 2 clearest weakest links are now gone, they should have gone in episode 1.
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actually there's still a weakest link left who is ultra irritating, that sarah lady , who likes women to heel up before going out for business!! I would love to see her go sooner then soon. a woman with failed ethics !
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I don't think so, I think I have seen more people get fired wrongly when the blame has been put on them. This is about getting a job and although it is okay to admit some wrong doing, at the end of the day he'll always ask the question "who is resposible for you losing this task" where you can state your case against whoever was the weakest link and give your reasons. And CB, you're right. If you don't have a strong argument you're gonna get fired. Anyway, it works both ways. Either you can admit your mistakes, have a strong argument but let the other two tag team you and you're the one who ends up getting fired or admit your mistakes and go out guns blazing by blaming everyone else.
Peace Sentry
There is defend yourself tactics by resorting to what you did right ... And then there is defend yourself tactics by finger pointing, blaming others, ... The latter is an immature approach, unwelcome and unprofessional. I can't believe that you believe there are only two options ... Eat or be eaten ... There is always a better choice to take ... And I think it shows through to Lord Sugar very clearly when a person can defend him/herself by resorting to what he/she did well rather than pick on small personal issues or play tactical game of trying to get rid of the stronger candidate through ganging up ... And in the past they have done that ... They have fired people who were trying to stitch up the stronger players for playing dirty.
When Alan Sugar asks the candidates about "who was responsible" he takes it with a pinch of salt ... Because he recognises that there is a survival battle going on ... He uses that question to get perspectives of what actually happened. At the end he makes his mind up ... The best thing to do is to give as much positive information about your contribution as you can ... But also to make sure that you contribute in every task and make mental notes of how you contributed ... Because that can be your life line.
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actually there's still a weakest link left who is ultra irritating, that sarah lady , who likes women to heel up before going out for business!! I would love to see her go sooner then soon. a woman with failed ethics !
Lol, oh yeah. Her. The one who made one sale near the end for £10 and said that's what the price should have been anyway lols.
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Peace Sentry
There is defend yourself tactics by resorting to what you did right ... And then there is defend yourself tactics by finger pointing, blaming others, ... The latter is an immature approach, unwelcome and unprofessional. I can't believe that you believe there are only two options ... Eat or be eaten ... There is always a better choice to take ... And I think it shows through to Lord Sugar very clearly when a person can defend him/herself by resorting to what he/she did well rather than pick on small personal issues or play tactical game of trying to get rid of the stronger candidate through ganging up ... And in the past they have done that ... They have fired people who were trying to stitch up the stronger players for playing dirty.
When Alan Sugar asks the candidates about "who was responsible" he takes it with a pinch of salt ... Because he recognises that there is a survival battle going on ... He uses that question to get perspectives of what actually happened. At the end he makes his mind up ... The best thing to do is to give as much positive information about your contribution as you can ... But also to make sure that you contribute in every task and make mental notes of how you contributed ... Because that can be your life line.
Of course, it's only natural during the meeting that one would state their own value in the task. Anyway, Since we're going around in circles, i'm gonna have to agree to disagree mate.
Can't wait for episode 4, looks like it's gonna be a cracker.
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Of course, it's only natural during the meeting that one would state their own value in the task. Anyway, Since we're going around in circles, i'm gonna have to agree to disagree mate.
Can't wait for episode 4, looks like it's gonna be a cracker.
What is it that you are disagreeing with? Just to be sure ... I am saying candidates should focus on their own good points, whereas you are saying they should focus on taking down others ... in order to stay in the game ... Is that correct?
If so then we can agree to disagree yeah sure ...
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What is it that you are disagreeing with? Just to be sure ... I am saying candidates should focus on their own good points, whereas you are saying they should focus on taking down others ... in order to stay in the game ... Is that correct?
If so then we can agree to disagree yeah sure ...
No, that's not what i've said. I'm saying you should encompass it all into one, not just flat out admit your mistakes, provide your good points and hope for the best.