The American Campaign to Suppress Islam

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Re: The American Campaign to Suppress Islam

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*Originally posted by Kosser_M: *
The American Campaign to Suppress Islam

The collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 90's was not just the break up of a state, it was the failure of an ideology, .....

It was natural for America and the Western bloc as a whole to consider this collapse of the Soviet Union and the downfall of Socialism as a victory for the Capitalist ideology as a system and a way of life.......

However, Islam, as an ideology, remained existent universally after the destruction of its state, the 'Uthmani Khilafah, in 1924 CE, because the Islamic Ummah with all her different peoples continued to embrace this ideology despite the fact that it was removed from their practical lives and from the international sphere. .........
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How dare you compare Islamic ideology with any other? Islamic ideology is a comprehensive one, others are not, period.

BTW, the Khilafah didn't end on 1924, but it lasted only a few decades, or perhaps a century then it became a kingship or whatever you want to call other than Caliphacy.

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.....Accusing Iraq of possessing weapons of mass destruction whilst being the only state that has actually used Nuclear, chemical & biological weapons, whilst hypocritically pointing fingers at their employee Saddam Hussein.
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US has provided all of the germ warfare, nukes, u name it, now US wants to check what has been used (not interested in knowing where it was used).... but that is to tell the audience. Behind the scene is a totally different picture. Wait until the "war with Iraq" is over to know what was it about :). BTW, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries have recently signed accords on some pipeline stuff.

Just today US has announced/offered support to N Korea, the third member of "axis of evil" for "power production" so it can use its nuclear resources towards positive contribution to society instead of making a bomb. But who knows what we will learn about this support 30 years later.

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It should be clear to most to see that this war is not about Human rights because in-terms of Human rights abuses, America is no stranger to that.
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Human Rights???? what rights? Its all WRONGS. HR abuses in Afghanistan have survived, and still surviving while US still present in Afghanistan, howcome? US govt was never interested in fixing the HR abuses. It was just a media tool to gain people's confidence/vote for the war. On "HR abouse" has replaced other i.e. grow beard has replaced 'gay partners in public'. (its not exactly "gay partners" but stronger guys "adopting" much younger kids as "friends" etc.)

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*Originally posted by Kosser_M: *

This is Capitalism:

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what does all this have to do with Capitalism? you didn't really make ANY real comparison at all, :(

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

what does all this have to do with Capitalism? you didn't really make ANY real comparison at all, :(
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America = Head state for the Capitalist Ideology = all the coruption from America = from Capitalism.:)

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Re: Re: The American Campaign to Suppress Islam

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

How dare you compare Islamic ideology with any other? Islamic ideology is a comprehensive one, others are not, period.

BTW, the Khilafah didn't end on 1924, but it lasted only a few decades, or perhaps a century then it became a kingship or whatever you want to call other than Caliphacy.

US has provided all of the germ warfare, nukes, u name it, now US wants to check what has been used (not interested in knowing where it was used).... but that is to tell the audience. Behind the scene is a totally different picture. Wait until the "war with Iraq" is over to know what was it about :). BTW, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other countries have recently signed accords on some pipeline stuff.

Just today US has announced/offered support to N Korea, the third member of "axis of evil" for "power production" so it can use its nuclear resources towards positive contribution to society instead of making a bomb. But who knows what we will learn about this support 30 years later.

Human Rights???? what rights? Its all WRONGS. HR abuses in Afghanistan have survived, and still surviving while US still present in Afghanistan, howcome? US govt was never interested in fixing the HR abuses. It was just a media tool to gain people's confidence/vote for the war. On "HR abouse" has replaced other i.e. grow beard has replaced 'gay partners in public'. (its not exactly "gay partners" but stronger guys "adopting" much younger kids as "friends" etc.)
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Most of your points are right and only elabarate my points.

Islam can not be compared to any religion because it is an ideology similar to that of Capitalism & Comunism [Not the same] what is meant by this is that Islam, Capitalism and comunism have the basic foundations to be called Ideologies where religions don't. This don't mean however that all three are correct, because if you look at the basis of these ideologies you will find the Islamic one is correct.

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Salaam alaikum

There are only three ideologies in the world today.

Communism is dead.
Capitalism/Dictatorship is implemented today.
Islam as an ideology existed until 1924. It was implemented for 1400 years bring justice to all mankind

Out of the three Islam is the only ideology that comes from the the correct source for guidance. The creator of mankind created man and his reality thus his system on how to organise relationships, business transactions etc can only be just.
Man made ideologies such as Communism and Capitalism are from the mind of man. His laws are subject to difference, contradictions based upon his benefit, whims and desires.

For example Homosexuality six years was something disgusting. Today it is fashion. What has changed? Mans desires change according to the enjoyment in an action which he sees benefit.

Communism believes all men should earn the same wage.

Islam came to address the needs and instincts of man.
In Capitalistic economics it is seen as there are not enough resources to meet the needs of man. This is incoorect ! How many butter mountains have we seen in this society. Farmers are given cash not to produce crops beyond a certain quantity.
In african countries farmers have to produce cash crops to pay of high interest based loans, so they do not produce food crops for the population. Food rather is imported instead which they could have grown. Its price is very expensive. This is the corruption of the thought of capitalism whose ideas to solve problems come from man's limited mind.

Whereas in Islam civilisation the States distributors would go round and ask the people in society muslim and non-muslim if they needed any money. The distributors from the Islamic state would come back with the money saying no-onw needed the money.
Is this reality existent in the capitalistic ideology today or anywhere in the world. The answer would be NO!

Isa:p :

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Man, are you guys all sniffing from the same jar of glue or what? It's really quite amusing.

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:mocking:

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Man, are you guys all sniffing from the same jar of glue or what? It's really quite amusing.
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yeah sure...but hey since the glue is really really old, it must be good.(of course that is the conclusion one gets to....after sniffing the glue).

It is funny how Islamists try to bash America for Capitalism as if America invented it. For God's sake your beloved Prophet was a businessman and hence a capitalist himself. Some people live in their make believe world and think everything was great and dandy until 1924 and after that all of sudden world got corrupted. Capitalism was well and alive in the world even in 1924 including in the so called imagined paradise of Caliphate. Capital and Goods and exchange of one for the other is not a US patent.....human discovered it long time ago...you can change its name but the concept will be same and will remain forever.

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yeah sure...but hey since the glue is really really old, it must be good.(of course that is the conclusion one gets to....after sniffing the glue).

It is funny how Islamists try to bash America for Capitalism as if America invented it. For God's sake your beloved Prophet was a businessman and hence a capitalist himself. Some people live in their make believe world and think everything was great and dandy until 1924 and after that all of sudden world got corrupted. Capitalism was well and alive in the world even in 1924 including in the so called imagined paradise of Caliphate. Capital and Goods and exchange of one for the other is not a US patent.....human discovered it long time ago...you can change its name but the concept will be same and will remain forever.
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A businessman or buying and selling is not Capitalism. Capitalism is an Ideology which has a belief and system, Secularism, Freedom and Democracy - Thats capitalism..

America started to spread Capitalism from the moment she went out to the world as a colonialist state, because colonialism both in its old or new form is the method for spreading this ideology. However, what has emerged recently is that since the domination internationally of its ideology, America has begun to campaign to make it prevail in the whole world. And in the same way that it succeeded with the help of the other Capitalist states in making Capitalism the foundation of the international relationships and traditions, it now wants it to be the way of life for all the nations and peoples of the globe. Based upon this plan the people are not only to implement Capitalism as systems and laws but also to embrace its creed, and take its thoughts, its own concepts, criteria and convictions in all the domains of life and not simply be satisfied by merely implementing it.

America had endeavoured to make the Capitalist ideology the basis of international relations, traditions and laws, since the establishment of the United Nations, when it made the Capitalist traditions the cornerstone of the convention of this international organization. Yet in reality America could not succeed in achieving this goal whilst the Soviet Union still led the Eastern camp on the basis of Socialism and imposed the presence of its ideology internationally and in the world.

So Moscow was able to prevent the absolute domination of Capitalism internationally by exploiting the hardship and slavery suffered by colonized nations and peoples, which resulted from the oppression, injustice and greed of the colonialist Western states. So it waged a fierce campaign world-wide in which it portrayed colonialism in its true ugly face, by making colonialism and Capitalism synonymous and expounding that the way for liberation from colonialism was only through Socialist revolution. This campaign succeeded greatly to the extent that many people started to incline towards Socialism. The states, which gained independence and freed themselves from colonialism, by its old face, raised the slogan of Socialism.

However, America realised that the old face of colonialism would be a danger to the Western international powers, and to Capitalism as an ideology. Therefore, it cunningly worked to contain the aspirations of the nations and the peoples towards Socialism and it started itself to help these nations and peoples rid themselves of the overt form of European colonialism, and started to restrict those independent states with a new vicious form of colonialism based on an indirect economic, political and cultural hegemony which was represented in military accords, alliances, mutual security agreements, economic and financial aid and cultural programs. Thus, under the flags of independence and liberation a new colonialism replaced the old colonialism. However, with the collapse of the Soviet Union and Socialism, the international arena became open for Capitalism and there was no longer any resistance to the sole domination of Capitalism internationally.

The UN, which since the 1940s had served only as a forum of speech, with no real power due to the Soviet right of veto, now changed to become a vast international organization with international authority. And it became an important tool to reinforce the hegemony of America on one side and consolidate the Capitalist traditions on the other.

As for the American campaign to make Capitalism an ideology for all nations and people of the globe, it meets no resistance except in the Islamic world. This is because the rest of the nations and people of the world either already embrace Capitalism as is the case with the US, Western Europe and their followers such as Canada,Australia and New Zealand or others like Russia and the states of what once were known as the Eastern bloc who have renounced Socialism and started to mould their lives on the basis of Capitalism. Although states like China, North Korea,Vietnam and Cuba are still raising the slogan of Socialism, in reality they no longer believe in it and gradually turn to Capitalism without any official proclamation. Other nations and peoples of Latin America, the Far East, South East Asia and some countries and tribes in Africa who continually did not have any ideology, do not perceive Capitalism as a doctrinal rival.The Islamic Ummah is the only nation from amongst the non-Capitalist nations which has an ideology, which she embraces, despite the fact that currently she neither lives according to it nor conveys it to the world. Therefore the American campaign to make Capitalism solely dominate the world is not met by real resistance except in the Islamic world.

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**capitalism* - An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.*

Secularism, freedom and democracy are just icing on the cake.

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*Originally posted by Kosser_M: *
A businessman or buying and selling is not Capitalism. Capitalism is an Ideology which has a belief and system, Secularism, Freedom and Democracy - Thats capitalism..

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uhuh....now I see the real problem. The problem is Secularism, Freedom and Democracy. I would say don't use the blanket term capitalism for these very very evil idealogies...use their real names when you criticize and bash them.

Secularim: is the reason your sorry butt is tolerated all over the western world. It is not due to your marvellous idealogy or your impressive looks and beauty or your marshal race genes. USA can kick your butt in any of those any time..but they still let you lift it in the specified direction due to the evil idealogy of secularism.

Freedom: what is wrong with it? Didn't your forefathers convert to Islam to get freedom from ugly baaniyas? was the reason behind Pakistan Freedom from goras and kaalas?

Democracy: now that is the real evil one...please never go for it..dictator's heavy boot on your arse looks perfect. It is a match amde in heaven.

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*Originally posted by Stu: *
Man, are you guys all sniffing from the same jar of glue or what? It's really quite amusing.
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LOL! Wanna join in?

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*Originally posted by ChannMahi: *
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Secularim: is the reason your sorry butt is tolerated all over the western world. It is not due to your marvellous idealogy or your impressive looks and beauty or your marshal race genes. USA can kick your butt in any of those any time..but they still let you lift it in the specified direction due to the evil idealogy of secularism.
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Really? Lets see. US has started registering/profiling individuals from Muslim countries, perhaps to reassure the world that US is a Secular country. US has detained illegal residents from Muslim countries only, ignoring all other illegal residents from India, Mexico, Canada etc. Now that is grande Secularism. FYI: the alleged terrorists were all LEGALLY residing in US and infact INS issued visa to one of the terrorist even after the 911 telling the world that this guy is still invited in US.

India, the Democratic, Secular country recently allowed massacre of Muslims in fact the local state machinery helped the Hindus to burn/kill/rape local Muslims.

Now if that is is YOUR secularism then I don't know what are the definitions of other forms of governments.

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

Really? Lets see. US has started registering/profiling individuals from Muslim countries, perhaps to reassure the world that US is a Secular country. US has detained illegal residents from Muslim countries only, ignoring all other illegal residents from India, Mexico, Canada etc. Now that is grande Secularism. FYI: the alleged terrorists were all LEGALLY residing in US and infact INS issued visa to one of the terrorist even after the 911 telling the world that this guy is still invited in US.

India, the Democratic, Secular country recently allowed massacre of Muslims in fact the local state machinery helped the Hindus to burn/kill/rape local Muslims.

Now if that is is YOUR secularism then I don't know what are the definitions of other forms of governments.
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:biggthumb

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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *

Really? Lets see. US has started registering/profiling individuals from Muslim countries, perhaps to reassure the world that US is a Secular country. US has detained illegal residents from Muslim countries only, ignoring all other illegal residents from India, Mexico, Canada etc. Now that is grande Secularism. FYI: the alleged terrorists were all LEGALLY residing in US and infact INS issued visa to one of the terrorist even after the 911 telling the world that this guy is still invited in US.

India, the Democratic, Secular country recently allowed massacre of Muslims in fact the local state machinery helped the Hindus to burn/kill/rape local Muslims.

Now if that is is YOUR secularism then I don't know what are the definitions of other forms of governments.
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Let’s see, it was members of Muslim countries that attacked America on 9-11. Why did the peaceful Muslims do that? Why can't America detain illegal Muslims if they want to? Pakistan routinely detains illegal Afghans and Bengalis, even though they are also Muslim. So, if you break a country’s laws, then you should pay.

And at least in America, Muslims are not being attacked, and their mosques are not being vandalized. Can we say the same about Christians in Pakistan or other Muslim countries? American secularism may not be perfect, but it's way better then anything any Muslim country has.

I would rather be a Muslim in America, then a Christian in Pakistan.

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A few facts about USA

USA massacred the native indians and stole their land
USA brought in Afircans as slaves to build the nation
USA to this day still contines to discrinate against Afro-americans
USA prisons are mainly full of mexicans and AFro-american, whers the eqaulity!
Afro-American n Mexicans live in gettos! i guess this is called looking after ur citezens!
USA peace loving froeign policy :Yes, via their foreign policy (COLONIALISM) they raped, they looted, they killed innocent people (like now in Iraq), and they brought Terror to the world in the name of peace (like now). Just look at their societies!!

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I Think I’ve got-to prove you wrong on this one.

In the midst of the chauvinist fever being whipped up by the government and media following the terror attacks in New York and Washington, scores of violent incidents and threats against Arab-Americans and Muslims have been reported.

Arab immigrants and their community centers, mosques and businesses have been hit by Molotov cocktails, bullets and bricks. Buildings have been defaced with graffiti and numerous bomb threats have occurred. In one incident a drunken 75-year-old man, screaming, “You’re destroying my country,” tried to run down a Pakistani woman in a Long Island parking lot.

Leaders of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) and the Arab American Institute (AAI) report there have been over 200 incidents of abuse directed against Arab-Americans since the September 11 terror attacks. Ibrahim Hooper of the Council on American-Islamic Relations said, “The atmosphere is very tense for Muslims in this country.” Fearing violence, some families have kept children out of school and a number of mosques and Islamic academies remain closed.

WSA

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Imam Abdul Alim Musa, of the Masjid al-Islam in Washington DC, one of the most active American Muslim leaders, joined the list of Muslims to suffer harassment at the hands of the US police on July 7, when he was assaulted, threatened with a gun and then arrested for no reason.

Imam Musa, who is also a member of the Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought (ICIT) and a well-known speaker around the world, was returning to the Masjid al-Islam from a community picnic at around 7 pm, when he saw police beating another motorist. The motorist, Danny Proctor, was hanging out of the car while two officers were beating him with batons; blood was oozing from his head. A third officer was holding his legs from the other side.

Muslim-media

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USA: Anti-Muslim bias crimes rose 1700 percent after September 11

(New York, November 14, 2002) Public officials tried vigorously to contain
a wave of hate crimes in the United States after September 11, Human
Rights Watch said in a report released today. Nevertheless, anti-Muslim
hate crimes in the United States rose 1700 percent during 2001. The report
documents anti-Arab and anti-Muslim violence and the local, state and
federal response to it.

The forty-one page report, “We Are Not the Enemy,” draws on research with
police, prosecutors, community activists, and victims of hate crimes in
six cities (Seattle, Washington; Dearborn, Michigan; Chicago, Illinois;
Los Angeles, California; Phoenix, Arizona; and New York, New York) to
review steps taken by government officials to prevent and prosecute hate
crimes after the September 11 attacks in New York and Washington, D.C. The
report also examines the scope and extent of these hate crimes, which
included murder, assault, arson, and vandalism.

HREA

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Violent attacks on Arab Americans

Arab communities across North America and Australia have come under violent attack amid a rising tide of anti-Muslim anger.
Dozens of retaliatory incidents have been reported throughout the United States, where Arab American communities have been in a state of siege since Tuesday’s attacks.

Gunshots were fired at an Islamic centre in a Dallas suburb yesterday, shattering windows. No one was injured at the centre, which includes a mosque and a school.

In Chicago, a molotov cocktail was thrown at an Arab American community centre. Later, 300 marchers - some waving American flags and chanting “USA! USA!” - tried to march on a mosque in Bridgeview, a suburb to the south-west of the city.

Three demonstrators were arrested as police sealed off the blocks around the closed mosque and turned the march away. One of the marchers, Colin Zaremba, 19, said: “I’m proud to be American and I hate Arabs and I always have.”

Gaurdian

Comment: Muslims always have been attacked in America and always will be. The main scope of our concern should be the Attacks by America Destroy countries & hundreds of thousands of Muslims as oppose to the 100’s under attack in America.

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*Originally posted by clubber lang: *
A few facts about USA

USA massacred the native indians and stole their land
USA brought in Afircans as slaves to build the nation
USA to this day still contines to discrinate against Afro-americans
USA prisons are mainly full of mexicans and AFro-american, whers the eqaulity!
Afro-American n Mexicans live in gettos! i guess this is called looking after ur citezens!
USA peace loving froeign policy :Yes, via their foreign policy (COLONIALISM) they raped, they looted, they killed innocent people (like now in Iraq), and they brought Terror to the world in the name of peace (like now). Just look at their societies!!

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Treatment of Native Americans was deplorable, but, you can't judge by men of 200 years ago (when the first slaves arrived.) by todays standards. Well, you can, but, it's foolish...

The slave trade was initiated by Africans selling their own and Arabs for the slave markets - historical FACT. As stated previously in numerous posts, the American slave trade is a blip on the rader of the history of slavery. For Africans and Arabs to continuely cry "Slavery!" is the "pot calling the kettle black", no pun itended. Both groups have much more to account for - if no one was selling there would have been nothing to buy, right? Whether they choose to acknowledge their collective history or not... reports are that it's still practiced in areas of Muslim Africa.

And, please, please point out the ongoing discrimination you claim - I'll anxiously await your response

Prisons full of mexicans and afro-americans - are you saying they didn't commit crimes, but, are jailed because of race? Sorry, not in America!

And, I know some blacks and mexicans that would laugh at your calling their nice suburban homes ghettos!

Maybe many of those who remain impoverished are too busy blaming "Whitey" to take advantage of the opportunities America offers. Most of the nations in the world can't touch America for equal opportunity! Can yours? Tell me all about it - I can't wait!

And, as if Iraq could talk about the killing of innocents - PLEASE!

You must hope this board is populated by uneducated illiterates who don't know any better! (Well, I know there are a few - I read their rantings daily!)

Peace To All Who Read This...

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ok..someone said...

Secularim: is the reason your sorry butt is tolerated all over the western world. It is not due to your marvellous idealogy or your impressive looks and beauty or your marshal race genes.

Darn...

CAPTILISM / BEAUTY = complex math.... :

So logic/mathimatical problem says...

All capitalist are beautiful? All beauties are capitalists.

C/1 = B/1 ?? or is it C/1 = 1/B ??

Algerbra would be handy right now...

Freedom: what is wrong with it? Didn't your forefathers convert to Islam to get freedom from ugly baaniyas? was the reason behind Pakistan Freedom from goras and kaalas?

Freedom/? = <ugly baaniyas/Islam

Mathimatically?

Someone else said....." ".

  • Democracy: now that is the real evil one...please never go for it..dictator's heavy boot on your arse looks perfect. It is a match made in heaven.*

D=?/ PIE.

Anyone here who is capable of solving this?

And correct algerbra where necessary;

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And sinse I don't know the language/expressions...

I will likely write foolishly.

I quoted...

[e] ** Freedom: what is wrong with it? Didn't your forefathers convert to Islam to get freedom from ugly baaniyas? was the reason behind Pakistan Freedom from goras and kaalas? [/e] **

and I say...

Q = goras and kaalas.

and ...

goras and kaalas = ? (because I haven't a clue what a Goras or a Kaalas is.)

(G) = (K) = ? / D