Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
Shias call a lot of sahabas very bad names and it is unfortunate. But, they were created to dishonor and degrade the very people who WITNESSED the young Islam. If you DISCREDIT the WITNESS in a COURT, the judge basically throws the case away.
The first people to curse the Sahaba were the munafikoon and kufar and today we have shias. Then, it was apparent who the enemy is but today the enemy is within Muslims and discrediting those who are witness to how/why/what/where and when of Islam.
When they curse and attribute lies to Sahaba and especially Abu Bakr, they basically are saying that Allah did not know what he was doing when Abu Bakr was with the prophet during the Hijra and the Prophet chose Ali to stay back and sleep on his bed. The danger was OUTSIDE of the home not where Ali was sleeping and who was with the Prophet where danger was? Abu Bakr (ra).
They are quick enough to point out "oh you don't love ahul bayt" but they will never admit they curse Sahaba and some family members of the prophet. Sunnis do love and respect ALL of family of the Prophet, can Shias come clean and admit they are wrong when they curse Sahaba and some family of the Prophet because they HATE them?
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
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The first people to curse the Sahaba were the munafikoon and kufar and today we have shias
the first one to curse sahaba was muawiyyah.....he killed those who refused to curse Ali(as) like Hujr ibn Adi(ra)
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When they curse and attribute lies to Sahaba and especially Abu Bakr, they basically are saying that Allah did not know what he was doing when Abu Bakr was with the prophet during the Hijra and the Prophet chose Ali to stay back and sleep on his bed.
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you are creating a controversy when there is none both Abubakr(r) and Ali(r) were doing simply what the Prophet(pbuh) told them to do
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The danger was OUTSIDE of the home not where Ali was sleeping and who was with the Prophet where danger was? Abu Bakr (ra).
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What battle was being fought outside?
The Danger was to Prophet(saw) life was where the quraish planned to assasinate him that was in his house
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
the first one to curse sahaba was muawiyyah.....he killed those who refused to curse Ali(as) like Hujr ibn Adi(ra)
No, it was the Kufaar-e-Makka and Madina that cursed Sahaba and the prophet first and muawiyyah came later after conquest of Makka! You need to read the Hadith books or maybe history books too. Don't bring Muawiyyah in everything, it is like you are fixated on Muawiyyah for some reason and only thing you see is Muawiyyah... there are many many many other sahabas far far far superior than him. If you like to fancy about Muawiyyah, fine but don't bring him in every discussion because other than bashing him there is no other point that you can make or take.
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you are creating a controversy when there is none both Abubakr(r) and Ali(r) were doing simply what the Prophet(pbuh) told them to do
What battle was being fought outside?
The Danger was to Prophet(saw) life was where the quraish planned to assasinate him that was in his house
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Na, na. Both of them did what prophet told them to do, exactly. The danger was OUTSIDE the home not inside. Why did Quraish wait OUTSIDE prophet's home all night and kept watching inside to see when prophet would be coming out? They would have never gone inside the home and tried to kill the prophet... the real danger was OUTSIDE and that is where Prophet took Abu Bakr. Prophet may have known that Ali would be fine in the house and it was no danger for him. When Quraish found out that Prophet was not in the house, Abu Jahil (Laanat-ullah) without thinking said he must be in Abu Bakr's house. WHY? If Abu Bakr is murtid and bad bad for ISlam and Prophet, why do the kufaar-e-Makka consider him so close to the prophet and trust that the prophet would be with him if is not in his home?
You fixation on Muawiyyah for some reason is clouding your sense, your reasoning and common sense.
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No, it was the Kufaar-e-Makka and Madina that cursed Sahaba and the prophet first and muawiyyah came later after conquest of Makka! You need to read the Hadith books or maybe history books too
I was talking about cursing amongst the muslims,and since muawiyyah was a kafir amongst the Meccans he surely was in the forefront of cursing the Sahaba too.
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Muawiyyah... there are many many many other sahabas far far far superior than him
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I never doubted that!
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because other than bashing him there is no other point that you can make or take
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point is made and backed by historical reference only you wont accept it
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If Abu Bakr is murtid and bad bad for ISlam and Prophet, why do the kufaar-e-Makka consider him so close to the prophet and trust that the prophet would be with him if is not in his home?
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I dont know who gave you this idea .....abubakr(ra) was a close friend of the Prophet(pbuh) no one denies that
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You fixation on Muawiyyah for some reason is clouding your sense, your reasoning and common sense
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What can I say this guy was involved in every possible crime against islam
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
^ we all saw what kind of extremist belief you adhere too. You were the first one in this thread to take a stab at the Sahabaas. So keep the preaching aside..
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel - like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers - that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward. (48:29)
He then said, “Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks.”
(Tafseer al-Qurtubi)
Now anyone who curses Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Uthman, 'Aishah, Hafsah radhiyAllahu 'anhum(a) in particular and all the Sahabah in general including the 5th Khalifah of Sahabah (Ummah), Ameerul Mu’mineen Mu’awiyah radhiyAllahu 'anhu is certainly a disbeliever according to the above verse of Quran al Majeed.
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
the website you have mentioned is so utterly crap.. its full of BS, iv never read such false statements.. the ppl that write that crap need to be shot down and the ppl that read it need to wake up and stop spoiling their aakhirath!
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
Well, my replies are supported by authentic narrations from Sahih Bukhari and Muslim (mostly) as well as the most authentic evidence from Quran. Off course you the Rafidhi are a sect, we are Muslims and this is why you are clueless because you are the follower of Persian Faith called Shi’ism which is the fabrication of Majoosi Munafiqeen.
The so called history of Islam was first written by Shias namely Muhammad ibn Ishaq (the seerah writer) and Abu Ja’far Muhammad bin Jarir Tabari bin Rustam who was a shia in guise of Taqiyyah. His Tareekh of Tabari is the Gospel for shi’ism because shi’ism is based upon fabricated Tales of Persians.
Even your Holy Books of History don’t have any evidence that a single incident of mutual fighting or chaos started in the Khilafah of Saiyidina 'Uthman ibn 'Affan radhiyAllahu 'anhu. Munafiqeen of Kufah and Basrah (so called Shias of 'Ali) had already started conspiracies in the last period of his khilafah but their first strike began with their assassinating the 3rd Khalifah.
I have supported my views with Sahih Hadiths from most authentic sources of Sunnah, and the above link provided by you shows shias’ narrations which they have accomodated in less authentic books of Ahlus Sunnah under the burqa of Taqiyyah.
On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia,** “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi Shia.”**
and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion."*
(Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
The verdict that 'Ali radhiyAllahu 'anhu was not a Khalifah of Muslims (Sahabah) was issued by Hadhrat Shah Waliullah in his book ‘Azalat-al-Khafa’.
I have gone through this link and found out that your beloved Tahirul Qadri (a Sufi Shia) has based his Deviant Views upon the fabricated shia hadith of Maula which I already have refuted in one of my above posts.
Probably you didn’t bother to read that.
This Tahirul Qadri is promoting Hinduism + Majoosism + Judaism (Shi’ism) by preaching the virtues of sperms. Imam 'Ali was the son of Abu Talib and Abu Talib, according to sound evidences (Bukhari), died at Kufr.
So what Rafidha think what Imam 'Ali received from Abu Talib?
What kind of spirituality Imam 'Ali got from a Father who died at kufr?
All such beliefs of spirituality through blood are teachings of Hinduism, Majoosism and Judaism which shias are promoting in the name of Islam.
May Allah protect us from the mischiefs of Munafiqeen, Aameen.
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
Debater,
How are you trying to prove your point by saying all your books confirm one thing.. Shia's are kafirs in pardah, shia's beliefs are totally fantacised and fabricated.. our history is one persians's fantasy..??
Are you actually aware of how much crap you are spewing?
Our beliefs are logical.. we dont have to 'read' everything in black and white to believe it..
with your style of writing.. im amazed you believe in Allah.. after all surely you would need to see him to believe in him...
You only believe what your books tell you.. if you put them down and put your brain into gear.. and went back to authentic events.. only then you could learn something.
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
This is another lie of Liars who live under Taqiyyah in order to abuse a Sahabi of Muhammad sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam, whom the Prophet had deputed as Transcriber of Quran al Majeed.
Since shias are the Enemies of Quran (by rejecting its authenticity), they are automatically Enemies of Saiyidina Mu’awiyah as well.
About Lying of Shias
On one occasion Imam Shafi’ee said concerning the Shia,** “I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi Shia.”**
and on another occasion he said; “Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion.”
(Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)
This story about 'Ali’s (radhiyAllahu 'anhu) sleeping at Prophet’s bed is a fabrication of Majoos which has been recorded by Ibn Jarir Tabari Shia in his book Tareekh of Tabari.
Here is the link to the authentic hadith of Sahih Bukhari which claims that it was the time of noon when Prophet sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam emigrated to Madinah along with his companion Abu Bakr as Siddiq radhiyAllahu 'anhu.
I wonder why Imam 'Ali slept at Prophet’s bed in night time…
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
I know very well, how logical your beliefs are.
You call a person ('Ali) for help, who couldn't help himself.
His wife was beaten up by the 2nd Khalifah and this Imam of Shias kept watching the show.
3 people usurped the right of this Imam and he kept assisting them in matters of khilafat...
He never waged war against these usurpers.
Your logical beliefs in an Infallible who is no where mentioned in Quran EXPLICITYL and EXCLUSIVELY.
You logically believe in the 12th who is under hibernation for over 1000 years..
**You couldn't live without any Imam just after the demise of Prophet **sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam but right now you have been living without any Imam for over 1000 yearsss..
Certainly, Shi'ism is so logical; logically nonsense.
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You only believe what your books tell you.. if you put them down and put your brain into gear.. and went back to authentic events.. only then you could learn something.
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My Primary book is Quran al Majeed which never supports your faith (challenge).
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
This is a never ending discussion. I do not need to profess my respect and love for Hazrat Ali(r) and his family over and over again to show that I am “diversified”. I do not understand this blind following and belief shown by many a shias where they elevate Hazrat Ali(r) to almost or above Muhammad :saw:. Most of the history related to Karbala is hersay to say the least. Almost every marsiyah written where the writer tries to invoke emotions is “made up” no facts, just their own thoughts. The tradgedy is that some of our shia bretheren take it to heart and believe it to be the truth.
Lajawab, have you not learnt yet. You are not going to get a straight answer from Mem Sahib or Shweety.
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
Your logical beliefs in an Infallible who is no where mentioned in Quran EXPLICITYL and EXCLUSIVELY.
You logically believe in the 12th who is under hibernation for over 1000 years..
**You couldn't live without any Imam just after the demise of Prophet **sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam but right now you have been living without any Imam for over 1000 yearsss..
Certainly, Shi'ism is so logical; logically nonsense.
My Primary book is Quran al Majeed which never supports your faith (challenge).
okay, this reply totally nailed the likes of mem sahib and shweetdreamz.
I was waiting for them to come forward and try refute the arguments posted but as expected they did come forward only to post taaney.
Re: The 4th Calif - Ali Karam Allah Wajho - Sunni Only
^^ what can we answer you.. when your minds are full of trash.. if we give you links, if we give quotes.. are you going to try and understand or are your hearts so full of crap that what we say aint gna make a difference..??
At the end of the day.. what we believe, we do.. if we do matam.. its our chests we beat.. if we love Ali.. and Hussain for what they did.. so be it.. we dont have to justify our beliefs to anyone.. least of all to ignorant ppl like you.
so you carry on.. get your quotes.. go to the most anti-shia websites and do some serious bashing.. but remember.. on the day of qayamath.. you will be stood behind us!